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    Quote Originally Posted by nevs666 View Post
    Well comrade it seems you had more letters in your post then mine, I think we need to equally distribute the words to the poorer users of our glorious forum. Gee because you know trying to distribute resources equally, when you don't have enough resources, is totally possible!
    And hording them amongst the highest ranking people, is most selfish and regrettable, especially because a common man has just as much meaning in the world as the president. You sir, are a common man. Do you believe your opinion is just as good as Obama's, if not better? Human greed stops communism from working. This is why a utopia will not exist, unless someone who is pure leads it, and steps down from power, to return power to the people. Shortly after, someone will try to take the reigns, which is illogical, seeing as no one HAS to have power. However, every man WANTS it, to put themselves above others. This is human greed. This world.... is full of greed, hate, lies, and power hungry people. It is going downhill very quickly. And I will be the first one to gladly admit that the United States needs reform. Not communist reform, no... that would scare everyone into thinking their freedom is being revoked. But a reform as good as any is needed right now. We need another FDR, or JFK. And resources can be divided equally, some people are just greedy and have to have more. We all have more than enough resources.... why are we afraid to share them? Because... then other people would be more powerful than us. God forbid anyone is equal in this world....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultimakills View Post
    Actually Russia has 13000 nukes china has 457 USA has 300 so Russia wins
    You forgetting we whiped the floor with Russia GG
    During the Cold war Russia made the Tsar bomb (most powerful est bomb ever.) and they still lost.
    Also China doesn't have all the technology as we do.
    If it does start, most certainly this will cause WWIII.
    Anyways we got the B83 nuclear bomb 1.2 megatonnes so i would say gf China (The bomb that is in active service)
    then you also have the:
    EC17/Mk-17, the EC24/Mk-24, and the B41
    which top out at 25 megatonnes which is also the largest by size and mass.
    Also there is one more bomb the Castle bravo second most deadliest bomb to the tsar bomb.

    So USA would more likely win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cobi45 View Post
    And hording them amongst the highest ranking people, is most selfish and regrettable, especially because a common man has just as much meaning in the world as the president. You sir, are a common man. Do you believe your opinion is just as good as Obama's, if not better? Human greed stops communism from working. This is why a utopia will not exist, unless someone who is pure leads it, and steps down from power, to return power to the people. Shortly after, someone will try to take the reigns, which is illogical, seeing as no one HAS to have power. However, every man WANTS it, to put themselves above others. This is human greed. This world.... is full of greed, hate, lies, and power hungry people. It is going downhill very quickly. And I will be the first one to gladly admit that the United States needs reform. Not communist reform, no... that would scare everyone into thinking their freedom is being revoked. But a reform as good as any is needed right now. We need another FDR, or JFK. And resources can be divided equally, some people are just greedy and have to have more. We all have more than enough resources.... why are we afraid to share them? Because... then other people would be more powerful than us. God forbid anyone is equal in this world....
    Yup sitting on your ass waiting to get a hand out is totally equally, not working, oh no, who needs to work when comrade Stalin can give us everything. Way to blame the capitalist system for all your problems and claiming they are greedy. Why are we "afraid" to share our resources that we have "more then enough of"? Perhaps because we EARNED IT. Yes, that's right we EARNED IT. Here's a little experiment. Give all your extra income to the poor. A random homeless guy on the street, a charity, I don't really care. You may spend money to buy food, pay bills, and nothing more. I doubt you will do this though. In fact I believe a college professor tried a similar experiment with one of him communist students. For the entire semester everyone in the classes grades were averaged out. They were distributed evenly among everyone. Guess what happened? All the students stopped trying because they were relying on others to do something they were to lazy to do, work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nevs666 View Post
    Yup sitting on your ass waiting to get a hand out is totally equally, not working, oh no, who needs to work when comrade Stalin can give us everything. Way to blame the capitalist system for all your problems and claiming they are greedy. Why are we "afraid" to share our resources that we have "more then enough of"? Perhaps because we EARNED IT. Yes, that's right we EARNED IT. Here's a little experiment. Give all your extra income to the poor. A random homeless guy on the street, a charity, I don't really care. You may spend money to buy food, pay bills, and nothing more. I doubt you will do this though. In fact I believe a college professor tried a similar experiment with one of him communist students. For the entire semester everyone in the classes grades were averaged out. They were distributed evenly among everyone. Guess what happened? All the students stopped trying because they were relying on others to do something they were to lazy to do, work.
    Well just proves how well humans are different from other animals, wait where not that really besides being smart.
    Btw we kinda need a war if you look at it the human population has already spiked, so humans are going to start dieing from resources or diseases eventually. (Not saying that wars are good.)
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    Lol yeah, EARNED IT! yeah! spit in the eye of communism! bring it all onto Stalin, who WASN'T EVEN COMMUNIST! We put a communist face on the Soviet Union, but again, the Soviet Union was far from communism. Read The Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx, the founder of Communism, instead of leeching off of countries and using bad examples to try to justify a crappy system of government. Also, you think most of the people who are rich in the US earned it?? Try, INHERITED it. From someone who probably hoarded up a lot of wealth. From someone, who probably used a loophole, or some other goddamn way to make money nowadays. Everything has to be a scam. No one can ever work for crap anymore. And guess what? Communism isn't about sitting on your ass. And I would rather you not bring up Stalin, because he was a shitty leader to begin with. Do you know anything about Stalin? He didn't raise the Soviet Union, he stole it. Lenin was the one who brought Marx's ideas to life, with, a bit of a TWIST, not the full story. Because everyone wants their own little gain. And i'm not blaming capitalism for shit. Oh wait... yes I am. America has gone from a great isolated nation who was a superpower, to having it's hand up everyone's ass, looking for terrorists and anyone else that might want to threaten the fall of Capitalism. Because when there is FEAR, there is someone waiting to start a REVOLUTION. Don't forget those words. Trust me, we aren't far from a revolution. I mean, jesus christ, all Obama did was have to say the word "CHANGE!" a lot, and people followed like a flock of sheep! Hmm... remind you of anything? "We will create our own Reich, the Third Reich!" hmm... a famous speech by Hitler perhaps?

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    actually the US would lose because half of their entire army is in iraq and Afghanistan so i dont know lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by cobi45 View Post
    Lol yeah, EARNED IT! yeah! spit in the eye of communism! bring it all onto Stalin, who WASN'T EVEN COMMUNIST! We put a communist face on the Soviet Union, but again, the Soviet Union was far from communism. Read The Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx, the founder of Communism, instead of leeching off of countries and using bad examples to try to justify a crappy system of government. Also, you think most of the people who are rich in the US earned it?? Try, INHERITED it. From someone who probably hoarded up a lot of wealth. From someone, who probably used a loophole, or some other goddamn way to make money nowadays. Everything has to be a scam. No one can ever work for crap anymore. And guess what? Communism isn't about sitting on your ass. And I would rather you not bring up Stalin, because he was a shitty leader to begin with. Do you know anything about Stalin? He didn't raise the Soviet Union, he stole it. Lenin was the one who brought Marx's ideas to life, with, a bit of a TWIST, not the full story. Because everyone wants their own little gain. And i'm not blaming capitalism for shit. Oh wait... yes I am. America has gone from a great isolated nation who was a superpower, to having it's hand up everyone's ass, looking for terrorists and anyone else that might want to threaten the fall of Capitalism. Because when there is FEAR, there is someone waiting to start a REVOLUTION. Don't forget those words. Trust me, we aren't far from a revolution. I mean, jesus christ, all Obama did was have to say the word "CHANGE!" a lot, and people followed like a flock of sheep! Hmm... remind you of anything? "We will create our own Reich, the Third Reich!" hmm... a famous speech by Hitler perhaps?
    Yes, he was indeed a communist. In fact he was CLEARLY communist. I hate it when people tell me to read something to sum up their views, as if I am going to waist my time reading what you want me to read. Can't you summarize your fucking text if it's that important? Now on the inherited thing, this is partially true I suppose if you completely ignore all the modern day tales of rags to riches (Bill Gates, John Mackey and Rene Hardy). Your forgetting one thing though, you act as if when they do inherit the company they are just going to magically run themselves. Do you not think that they have to make life and death decisions to save there company or watch it die? Oh, but don't worry in a communist country you don't have privet company's, it's all run by the state. No, scam's almost never work, in fact when a scam arises people take notice and are smart enough to not buy it. I know it's hard for you to understand, but when a company is created they HAVE to provide a service that people will buy. Right communism isn't about sitting on your ass, it's about getting worked to death for the greater good! I never claimed Stalin created the Soviet Union, way to try and put words in my mouth. You really are the typical angry kid arnt you. Lets see, calling people dumb and blind sheep (check), comparing our current leader to Hitler (check), blaming capitalism for the worlds problems (check), using the word revolution as if you know what it means (check), damn can't believe there are actually communists still around today, I thought that the numerous failed examples would show that, guess not.
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    I am an angry kid? Well, when our nation is putting its neck out for everyone else, and not giving a damn about itself.... When the nation I love is literally destroying itself with debt... yeah. It makes me a little angry. Yes, people are stupid, and it seems today anyone will follow blindly to a hymn that every politician sings. The corruption in this country is incredible. I mean INCREDIBLE! did you know that the average C.E.O.'s salary is 281% bigger than a normal employee's? Why? That is just pure greed. When that company could be using that money to put MORE jobs out in the world. Hell, give some of it to charity! But using exploits like that for personal gain is immoral. Then again, who is a horrible communist to talk about morals? By the way, Stalin was Socialist. He claimed to be Communist. And not all the world's problems are due to capitalism. In fact, barely any of them are. I'm not saying get rid of capitalism. I'm merely saying it needs REFORM! There is so much damn corruption... and it is getting worse! I compared our current leader to Hitler, not because of his views, or anything to do with that. Because of his speeches. Everyone gets all emotionally moved by his speeches. Yet.... no one does anything about it. That is something that is wrong with this country. No one stands up for what they believe in anymore! Maybe a few, but the number sure as hell declined, and you can't argue with that! If the government pisses us off, we are too afraid to stand against it. Yet, that is what this country was founded on. By the people, for the people. Our founding fathers wanted the government to serve the PEOPLE! Well, the government is clearly not serving us anymore, they are doing their own thing out of control. So who is going to reel in the line and slap these guys around until they realize they serve the people, not themselves? No one, apparently! Politicians are elected, yes, but they lie. Everyone knows that. And then when they lie to get into office, guess what! They don't do crap. They're lazy. And then THEY get paid more than we can DREAM about for it. Yes, Obama is trying to fix things. And that is alright! However, for this country, I fear it may be too little too late. And it really does scare me. I've NEVER seen a time of peace growing up in this country. NEVER! We have ALWAYS been at war with somebody. When a nation's children are growing up with war and violence and being preached hatred of others.... don't you think that is wrong? I don't know how old you are, but I can almost guarentee you've seen some peace in the world. Where at least our nation isn't propagandizing against another race, or religion, or group! And then we take all the heat for being violent! Well damn, when you grow up in a world where you are SURROUNDED by violence.... you think we're going to grow up peaceful? Hell no! I remember sitting in Elementary school watching the Twin Towers crash to the damn ground! I was horrified! All of those people killed for NO legitimate reason! I had no idea who the people were that did it, why they would want to hurt people like that... And then as I grew older I understood. It was a taunt for power. To taunt the US saying "we're more powerful than you are." Thousands of people dead for a taunt... and we took the bait. And now countless soldiers are dead because of "vengeance".Do you know the quote "When the rich wage war, its the poor who die"? It is my favorite quote. Don't rule me out because I am young. I did my research, I know what I'm getting myself into. I'm planning on becoming a politician. Not a corrupt bastard (god save me if I become such, power corrupts a man greatly), but one that can help fix things.

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    And being one of your heroes, Benjamin Franklin stepped off the boat to the new world criticizing the corruption, inflation due to greed, the filth, the hatred, and evil that went along with the new world. This world is a goddamn mess!

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    Again claiming people are stupid. What things seem to be, and what they actually are are completely different. Find a country with no corruption please, oh wait that's right in no civilized society has there ever been 0 corruption. Did I know what a CEO makes? No, but I can tell you why he makes that much, because he is one of the leaders of the company. Sorry people become successful? You expect them not to keep there earnings? Please do what I said and donate all of your extra income to the poor, you wont, and is that greed? NO it is you keeping money that you EARNED and doing with it whatever you fucking please with it. It's the same thing with CEO's except on a larger scale. They do create jobs! How they flying fuck do you think they earn profits? By providing the services in there particular field, more jobs=more profit, it really is that simple! Who are you to dictate what is moral and immoral? You find a dime on the street and pick it up, is that immoral? Stalin was a communist. I never claimed all the worlds problems were caused by capitalism. Comparing somebody to Hitler is fucking disgusting, my grandparents were around during that horrible time of slaughter we call ww2, and to compare a person today to him is beyond comprehension of stupidity and ignorance. Who the fuck doesn't stand up for what they believe in? Now your just spewing dribbling BULLSHIT, the fuck you mean "you can't argue with that"? Never in the history of America that I can recall has someone sat down and took it, the people of America have ALWAYS stood up for what they believed in. Wow politicians lie? Well were a bit late to the fucking party arnt we? What the hell are you talking about, preaching hate to others is wrong, really you need to ask me that? Don't even know where that came from. Well if you did conduct research, you didn't look hard. 9/11 was an attack on us because of our support for Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cobi45 View Post
    LOL just found this, thought you'd get an lol out of it too
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    Quote Originally Posted by cobi45 View Post
    I am an angry kid? Well, when our nation is putting its neck out for everyone else, and not giving a damn about itself.... When the nation I love is literally destroying itself with debt... yeah. It makes me a little angry. Yes, people are stupid, and it seems today anyone will follow blindly to a hymn that every politician sings. The corruption in this country is incredible. I mean INCREDIBLE! did you know that the average C.E.O.'s salary is 281% bigger than a normal employee's? Why? That is just pure greed. When that company could be using that money to put MORE jobs out in the world. Hell, give some of it to charity! But using exploits like that for personal gain is immoral. Then again, who is a horrible communist to talk about morals? By the way, Stalin was Socialist. He claimed to be Communist. And not all the world's problems are due to capitalism. In fact, barely any of them are. I'm not saying get rid of capitalism. I'm merely saying it needs REFORM! There is so much damn corruption... and it is getting worse! I compared our current leader to Hitler, not because of his views, or anything to do with that. Because of his speeches. Everyone gets all emotionally moved by his speeches. Yet.... no one does anything about it. That is something that is wrong with this country. No one stands up for what they believe in anymore! Maybe a few, but the number sure as hell declined, and you can't argue with that! If the government pisses us off, we are too afraid to stand against it. Yet, that is what this country was founded on. By the people, for the people. Our founding fathers wanted the government to serve the PEOPLE! Well, the government is clearly not serving us anymore, they are doing their own thing out of control. So who is going to reel in the line and slap these guys around until they realize they serve the people, not themselves? No one, apparently! Politicians are elected, yes, but they lie. Everyone knows that. And then when they lie to get into office, guess what! They don't do crap. They're lazy. And then THEY get paid more than we can DREAM about for it. Yes, Obama is trying to fix things. And that is alright! However, for this country, I fear it may be too little too late. And it really does scare me. I've NEVER seen a time of peace growing up in this country. NEVER! We have ALWAYS been at war with somebody. When a nation's children are growing up with war and violence and being preached hatred of others.... don't you think that is wrong? I don't know how old you are, but I can almost guarentee you've seen some peace in the world. Where at least our nation isn't propagandizing against another race, or religion, or group! And then we take all the heat for being violent! Well damn, when you grow up in a world where you are SURROUNDED by violence.... you think we're going to grow up peaceful? Hell no! I remember sitting in Elementary school watching the Twin Towers crash to the damn ground! I was horrified! All of those people killed for NO legitimate reason! I had no idea who the people were that did it, why they would want to hurt people like that... And then as I grew older I understood. It was a taunt for power. To taunt the US saying "we're more powerful than you are." Thousands of people dead for a taunt... and we took the bait. And now countless soldiers are dead because of "vengeance".Do you know the quote "When the rich wage war, its the poor who die"? It is my favorite quote. Don't rule me out because I am young. I did my research, I know what I'm getting myself into. I'm planning on becoming a politician. Not a corrupt bastard (god save me if I become such, power corrupts a man greatly), but one that can help fix things.
    average ceo makes 3 times more than average employee? Thats actually pretty legit. The responsibility is so much higher and you don't just get ceo overnight by sitting at a desk.

    Stalin was socialist? but communist russia, which he was the leader of, was communist. DERP. therefore, he was a communist. I believe you can easily tell just by his actions, his little socialist diary is nice, but its really quite obvious when he is the leader of a communist country.

    Blah blah blah, no one fights against the man, blah blah blah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobi45 View Post
    Okay, well it seems to me that some people turned this around into tactics of World War II that would decide the outcome of the war. (Newsflash, we don't use the same tactics! )
    Although being an American citizen, I am not a close-minded Republican, or a way too open-minded Democrat (no offense to either, let's not make this a political debate, those are the stereotypes, let them be.) I am actually quite Communist (Don't flame me, not the point here.) Now before you link me to China, let me just say that China is NOT Communist! China is Fascist. That being out of the way, I believe it would be a VERY close call, but the United States would win it. My reasons;

    UNITED STATES' ADVANTAGES!
    Code:
    1.Extremely strong morale
    2.People are united by CHOICE! (goes along with the whole "strong morale" thing...)
    3.Superior Technology (let's face it, we do have better guns/artillery.)
    4.History has shown us to be capable of being an industrial GIANT
    5.With a MUCH larger Navy and Airforce (Combined with that of the Royal Navy, and RAF from Britain, who would no-doubt be on our side) we would wreak havoc from both sea and air, cutting off any shipping routes.
    6.Allies in the East! Most countries (if the US would ever bark the order) world most definitely enlist a trade embargo on China.
    7.^Thus being said, China's economy MIGHT topple. I use the word MIGHT because:
    During WWII, when Germany was getting the SHIT bombed out of it, they built underground factories. China could do the same.
    CHINA'S ADVANTAGES!
    Code:
    1.INCREDIBLE numbers of manpower
    2.Extreme productivity
    3.CURRENTLY an industrial giant
    4.Extreme conditioning of troops (what are you going to do, tell a fascist country "oh, you can't do that..."?)
    5.Location! Location! Location! Most of their allies surround them, and the country is large enough we might NEVER find the factories (especially if underground, as stated above)
    This would be an epic battle, but I think the U.S. would come out the champ. If it is conventional warfare (my favorite, no cheap WMD's) then yes, the United States would come out on top. The above reasons stated are my argument. Care to argue further? Go for it I love debates.

    Other than that, I'd like to just clear something up quickly. Someone (I can't remember, i'm not going back after all of this typing) said that Japan started to lose after not being able to take inland China. This is WRONG! Japan was still knocking the crap out of China for a while, and nobody felt the right to step in. It was just Imperialism after all, everyone else was doing it, right? Well, after the Rape of Nanking (look it up, gruesome stuff) a lot of countries were like "WOAH!" too far! Of course, that resolve was strengthened by the tragic bombing of Pearl Harbor, which was a FAILED Japanese attack. Japan was supposed to declare war right before the attack took place (their embassy couldn't translate the papers fast enough, LOL) and the goal was to hit the battleships, yes, but their main target was the 3 US aircraft carriers and the dry docks. The carriers weren't even at Pearl Harbor (way to do your research, Japan...) and the dry docks were missed. So we churned out boats faster than ever. Even then, though, we were extremely outnumbered. It was sheer LUCK that made us able to destroy the Japanese aircraft carriers one by one, on our Pacific campaign. So, we were victorious, we came out alive by the skin of our teeth. Japan was NOT going to surrender, even AFTER the first A-Bomb. They thought we only had one, so they did not surrender. well we dropped our second one. Then the Emperor finally took control back and surrendered.

    ^There was your little history lesson, I've studied WWII for about 7 years now, I'm a FANATIC when it comes to it
    China is not actually fascist. If it was fascist, it would have a single dictator. Instead, China has a single-party rule. No one person controls the entire country. Hu Jinatao/Xi Jinping does not control the entire country.

    In a conventional warfare, it depends on the location. Whoever strikes first loses. The supply line from China to America and vice versa is simply too long. Also, anti-aircraft missiles (SAMs) today are deadly accurate. A fighter jet or bomber would not be able to cross into either country's border without being shot down or intercepted. Also, a missile would not be able to reach either country without being detected by the enemy radar.

    U.S. surveillance plane lands in China after collision with fighter - CNN

    The Western powers didn't step in because of the Rape of Nanjing. They stepped in because the Japanese were threatening the European colonies in Asia. So the US held an oil embargo against Japan. The US feared that once Japan takes China, Japan would move on to take the US, and by then the Japanese Navy would be invincible. China was able to repel the Japanese attacks by trading land for time.

    Japan’s initial victories were followed by a period of stagnation. The size of China, the sheer manpower she could field, and the lack of Chinese infrastructure, roads, bridges, and communications, made further advance difficult. By 1938, Chinese and Japanese troops were fighting in stalemate. This stalemate would continue until the Japanese would advance against the Allies in 1941.
    The Second Sino-Japanese War: Page 2 | The World War II Multimedia Database

    Why do you think the USSR was never conquered by Germany?

    Interesting article:

    China vs America: fight of the century | Prospect Magazine

    This article basically questions what constitutes a victory in a war between China and the US. It basically says that the victory will be a phyrric victory.

    The US is also not China's main trading partner:
    Utilized foreign direct investment (FDI) dropped by 0.5 percent in 2005, but increased by 6.4 percent in the first quarter of 2006 to $14.2 billion.
    The United States continues to be China's fifth-largest source of FDI behind Hong Kong, the Virgin Islands, Japan, and South Korea.
    Issues likely to affect foreign investment in 2006 include the new labor contract law, the discontinuation of foreign-invested enterprise representative offices, the antimonopoly law, and the implementation of distribution rights.
    The PRC Ministry of Commerce announced that it will no longer publish contracted FDI values, a figure used by many analysts as an indicator of future investment.
    This is not to say ordering a trade embargo will harm either country more than the other, but simply liquidating businesses in China is both illegal and unfeasible. No country can simply nationalize a factory for its own use.

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    1.Extremely strong morale
    2.People are united by CHOICE! (goes along with the whole "strong morale" thing...)
    3.Superior Technology (let's face it, we do have better guns/artillery.)
    4.History has shown us to be capable of being an industrial GIANT
    5.With a MUCH larger Navy and Airforce (Combined with that of the Royal Navy, and RAF from Britain, who would no-doubt be on our side) we would wreak havoc from both sea and air, cutting off any shipping routes.
    6.Allies in the East! Most countries (if the US would ever bark the order) world most definitely enlist a trade embargo on China.
    7.^Thus being said, China's economy MIGHT topple. I use the word MIGHT because:
    During WWII, when Germany was getting the SHIT bombed out of it, they built underground factories. China could do the same.
    1.,2. -> Like I said before, it depends on the location of the battle.
    3. -> True, but China's military is much less transparent. So who knows. However, the US has several experience with combat.
    4. China has a strong, stable economy because the CCP sets quotas for each government owned industry. For every fighter jet lost in combat, China could build 2, 3, 4, etc... The US prides itself on quality over quantity. However, there is a limit to how much more stronger you can build a fighter jet or assault rifle better than your enemy.
    5. Having a much larger navy and airforce doesn't amount to anything once war starts. With China's economy and infrastructure, China could simply convert the factories to build fighter jets and ships. However, like I said before, the US prides itself on quality over quantity.
    6. Like I said before, if there were no allies involved. Like I said before, ordering a trade embargo doesn't do anything because there are always countries friendly to China, like Zimbabwe, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, and India who would be willing to still trade with both countries.
    7. A country's economy doesn't topple because someone bombs their factories. An economy topples once a country starts receiving less resources, which results in less productivity. Furthermore, once a country converts their factories into war machines, less resources are poured into making civilian products, thus increasing costs for simple everyday items. The severity of deflation/recession/depression varies upon every country.
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    The Western powers didn't step in because of the Rape of Nanjing. They stepped in because the Japanese were threatening the European colonies in Asia. So the US held an oil embargo against Japan. The US feared that once Japan takes China, Japan would move on to take the US, and by then the Japanese Navy would be invincible. China was able to repel the Japanese attacks by trading land for time.
    Actually the Western powers did step in because of the Rape of Nanjing. Granted, there were other reasons, however the Rape of Nanjing opened the eyes of the world to the Japanese brutality that was facing China. The Japanese didn't even think of Chinese people as human. Just like the Nazi's had the thought that Jews were not human either. And Japan taking China had nothing to do with Japan taking the US. We had recon stations posted on all of the Eastern islands, including Midwest, the Atolls, and Marianna Islands. We were watching them, yes, however our focus was on our allies, and gaining morale support (which wasn't much needed against the Japanese, after December 7th, but morale was needed to fight against the Germans as well.) against the entire Axis. Europe was almost completely dominated by the Germans, save for a few countries, most importantly England, who pleaded with the US to join the war. There can be different opinions on why the Western powers stepped in, however it was mostly the US that fought the Japanese. England, the rest of Europe, and Russia were mostly focused on eliminating any German threats. A little after midway through the Island Hopping campaign, we sent B-25 bombers over Japan off of aircraft carriers (mostly which were stripped to the bone, all of the guns on the planes were removed and replaced with broomsticks painted black) and bombed the living hell out of Tokyo in the Tokyo Raids, starting a firestorm, killing thousands of people, and demoralizing the "invincible" home island. After the destruction of the 3 IJN Aircraft carriers, the war began to turn in our favor.

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