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    That pretty much ruins your own argument. Fighting is a part of life, figure skating isn't. You can't blame men for not being a stereotypical alpha male fighter when it's not really needed anymore, but at the same time claim otherwise women don't have to compete in a "man's game." Men's physical abilities still equals dominance, if the need ever occurs, the gender hardwired to fight ensures our species wins.


    1. "Fighting" is not a part of life anymore. Like I said in the OP, we have moved past the era of hunters & gatherers. With equal access to technology for men and women, any physical superiority men have is now irrelevant; and because of that fact, more and more men are adapting to become more feminine. And you can't make up hypothetical what if scenarios to substantiate your claim of male dominance. What if the world was being invaded by aliens that only kills those who dont have ovaries? Whose body is superior now?

    2. We shouldn't have to prove ourselves in traditionally male-dominated activities, such as sports or mathematics, because that just upholds the archaic gender dichotomy that needs to be dismantled. It supports the notion that activities that males excel at are more valuable. Instead, female-dominated activities need to become just as valued as male-dominated ones.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Attiusca View Post


    1. "Fighting" is not a part of life anymore. Like I said in the OP, we have moved past the era of hunters & gatherers. With equal access to technology for men and women, any physical superiority men have is now irrelevant; and because of that fact, more and more men are adapting to become more feminine. And you can't make up hypothetical what if scenarios to substantiate your claim of male dominance. What if the world was being invaded by aliens that only kills those who dont have ovaries? Whose body is superior now?

    2. We shouldn't have to prove ourselves in traditionally male-dominated activities, such as sports or mathematics, because that just upholds the archaic gender dichotomy that needs to be dismantled. It supports the notion that activities that males excel at are more valuable. Instead, female-dominated activities need to become just as valued as male-dominated ones.

    I agree. Acquiring wealth and power will allow anyone to navigate through the obstacles due to sexism and any other system of discrimination.

    In the past, women (and blacks) were not given as much opportunity to accumulate wealth for themselves. This is quickly changing. Among recent college graduates, women (and blacks) have seen the same rates of employment and the same if not higher levels of income compared to male counterparts in their same field. Since women are now starting to make money and progress in their careers, they will no longer be forced to stay at home and be doomed to a life of dependency on her husband. Don't act all shocked when you come to a point where you want to buy a new xbox game and your wife doesn't let you.
    A persons salary should be defined by their experience and usefulness to a company, not what reproductive organs they have.

    Look at all the "high-risk" jobs. It's "male dominated". Firefighters, coal miners, police officers, construction workers, and especially soldiers (many countries only draft men). The suicide rate for men is higher than it is for women. It's obvious that western society holds the life of a woman greater than a man. Equality for women in the workforce is seen as holding positions of power and influence (with the salary to match). That's not equality, that's domination. Equality is being equal, not greater than. When women start doing the dirty work then women will be truly "equal" to men. But no, there will never be true equality because 1 + 1 doesn't equal 1. Men and women think different, men and women are built different. We are different. We're civilized enough to realize that treating each other differently makes no sense, and in the years to come gender will not matter. You can't force ideology, it has to evolve over time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Attiusca View Post

    1. "Fighting" is not a part of life anymore. Like I said in the OP, we have moved past the era of hunters & gatherers. With equal access to technology for men and women, any physical superiority men have is now irrelevant; and because of that fact, more and more men are adapting to become more feminine. And you can't make up hypothetical what if scenarios to substantiate your claim of male dominance. What if the world was being invaded by aliens that only kills those who dont have ovaries? Whose body is superior now?

    2. We shouldn't have to prove ourselves in traditionally male-dominated activities, such as sports or mathematics, because that just upholds the archaic gender dichotomy that needs to be dismantled. It supports the notion that activities that males excel at are more valuable. Instead, female-dominated activities need to become just as valued as male-dominated ones.
    Fighting is and always will be part of life, saying anything other than that is just silly. Greed will always creating fighting, and last time I check there's a finite amount of resources. If fighting isn't a part of life, then war must not exist. I'm not making up hypothetical situations to anything. A robber breaks in to your house, the woman most likely freezes, the man most likely fights. It's in our DNA. Men are more volatile and competitive. Women are more level headed and "nurturing."

    We shouldn't have to prove ourselves in traditionally male-dominated activities, such as sports or mathematics.
    LOL, you're right. You're m4d cooking skillz is greater than the science, engineering, inventing, physics and everything that has been established in the modern world by men. This society where women are on a level playing field is a facade, this entire society & order has been established and run by men. If you think cooking > mathematics, let the free world capitalism decide who's worth more. Oh wait, it already did. There's a reason why the less physical gender has to bear birth in almost EVERY species. That species wouldn't survive otherwise. 9 months of disability every time? Yeah.

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    I agree with gender equality but I'm not twisted enough to believe it's something that is given. If a woman works as hard as her male peers, she deserve's equal pay. That's all capitalism is about. But I'm not so narrow minded to think that men & woman are equal.

    I don't really like this quote by Ecstasy that he obv ripped off somewhere, but "Name one female who invented something. Quick, you got 10 seconds." Like I said, I'm not a fan, it's degrading to women, but if you look past the obvious trolling, there's some truth between the lines.

    Anyways, I'm done with this. Don't really care, just thought I'd share my two cents, considering I used to believe in this man = woman equal crap. Equality != Equal. Equal contributions ~= equal.
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    Read it because why not, kind of intriguing I guess.

    Oh, and none of you should be falling by this peculiar person's clear shitposting. If you go on Tumblr, you see this everyday, reblog by reblog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arunforce View Post


    Fighting is and always will be part of life, saying anything other than that is just silly. Greed will always creating fighting, and last time I check there's a finite amount of resources. If fighting isn't a part of life, then war must not exist. I'm not making up hypothetical situations to anything. A robber breaks in to your house, the woman most likely freezes, the man most likely fights. It's in our DNA. Men are more volatile and competitive. Women are more level headed and "nurturing."



    LOL, you're right. You're m4d cooking skillz is greater than the science, engineering, inventing, physics and everything that has been established in the modern world by men. This society where women are on a level playing field is a facade, this entire society & order has been established and run by men. If you think cooking > mathematics, let the free world capitalism decide who's worth more. Oh wait, it already did. There's a reason why the less physical gender has to bear birth in almost EVERY species. That species wouldn't survive otherwise. 9 months of disability every time? Yeah.

    ----

    I agree with gender equality but I'm not twisted enough to believe it's something that is given. If a woman works as hard as her male peers, she deserve's equal pay. That's all capitalism is about. But I'm not so narrow minded to think that men & woman are equal.

    I don't really like this quote by Ecstasy that he obv ripped off somewhere, but "Name one female who invented something. Quick, you got 10 seconds." Like I said, I'm not a fan, it's degrading to women, but if you look past the obvious trolling, there's some truth between the lines.

    Anyways, I'm done with this. Don't really care, just thought I'd share my two cents, considering I used to believe in this man = woman equal crap. Equality != Equal. Equal contributions ~= equal.
    Arun all of this is clearly going over your head and you're just rehashing what "mens rights" fascists have been saying for decades. It's not that men "invented" more useful things, it's that society always labels the things done and invented by men as useful. Why is it so impressive that Lebron James, a 6'8" 260 lbs super-human, can dunk a basketball? What is the value in that? Why is that a form of entertainment that generates billions of dollars?

    And you keep bringing up Capitalism as if it's some sort of normative baseline that dictates how society should be run. Capitalism favors the male characteristics I listed in the original post, it's rigged so that it's easier for men to succeed (in terms of capitalistic success) than women. Women have to give birth which causes time taken off from work, which causes them to fall behind in their career. That's lost opportunity cost and capitalism basically says "who cares, screw you".

    Why are "competitiveness" and "volatility" seen as desirable traits when these are the traits that lead to rape and murder and other crimes (crimes are committed disproportionately by men)? Only in a capitalistic society are these traits valued because our mentality is that the benefits of these traits outweigh the negative- which is not a natural nor ideal reason.

    Because of these systems established, enforced, and protected by men (capitalism is one of them), they have been able to get the maximum benefit out of the things they're good at while women are blamed for being "useless". And I'm not complaining about this. I'm simply pointing out that right now in the 21st century, men are becoming weaker, both physically and mentally. They are adopting more and more feminine characteristics. The income and education gap is narrowing. Young Men are beginning to place trivial things like female companionship and recreational sex (Up until the early 90s, recreational sex outside of wedlock was a huge taboo in american society) above academic and economic success. Men are essentially becoming suckers and pansies, while women are now becoming more independent (Average age at marriage for women is increasing), more educated, and embracing traditionally male roles in both society and their household. Society has followed suit. Crimes against women (rape) are finally being brought to the national spotlight and the perpetrators of these crimes are receiving more backlash then they have ever in the past. For the first time in history, the ratio of new billionaires in 2012 was a near 50-50 split. Women are getting their fair share of jobs on Wall street and in silicon valley thanks to Womens employment initiatives which are recognizing that young women oftentimes outperform their male peers in a workplace setting.

    The golden age for men lasted five thousand years and now it's over. Deal with it Arun.


    Oh, and none of you should be falling by this peculiar person's clear shitposting. If you go on Tumblr, you see this everyday, reblog by reblog.
    You're right- You can definitely see how far men have fallen on Tumblr and Instagram in the photos of all the new trendy skinny "swag fags" who try to claim manhood while the thing that is defining their manhood is being crushed under the tight clutch of H&M skinny jeans.
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    Dominance and power is unspoken. A lot of you are also mixing up equity with equality, theres a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obama View Post
    Dominance and power is unspoken. A lot of you are also mixing up equity with equality, theres a difference.
    Their views are shaped by capitalism which is in itself a system that promotes unjust inequality.

    In a capitalistic economy, Because men are better suited for creating wealth, they are more valuable, thus superior to women, and so placed in positions of power where they will be able to perpetuate the cycle of inequality by using their power to invest in their own superiority (capitalism).

    It's almost impossible to break down this system because it's so deeply ingrained in our lives (as you can see from Aruns post). True equality between all people would require a complete removal of capitalism (and religion), which is why the most radical feminists are pro-socialism and anti-religion.

    However, due to gradual changes in our social behavior, men are emasculating themselves anyway, and losing their "more valued" traits while females are gaining them. It's like a see-saw that is on it's way toward equilibrium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Attiusca View Post
    That's right. Men are no longer the dominant gender, and you owe it all to yourselves!

    What is Man and what is Woman?

    Actually, Males and Females have a lot more in common than you think. Biologically they are virtually identical. However, the concept of MAN and WOMAN are man-made social constructs that widen the distinction between the two sexes.

    Here are some of the behavioral characteristics of men and women that have been created by CULTURE, not Biology.

    Man Woman
    Physicality Emotionality
    Assertive Passive
    Provider Reciever
    Confident Reserved
    Independent Dependent
    Natural Movement Restrained Movement
    Academic/Career Oriented Nurturer/Home Oriented
    Dominant Submissive

    Note that all of the characteristics under the Male column are ones more valued in society. These were actually established very early in human civilization, and is rooted in Biology, but not a result of biology alone.

    The dawn of civilization occurred in the 4th century B.C.E. This is when people first began settling down in communities and by 3500 B.C.E, the earliest known urban center; Uruk, in Ancient Mesopotamia, was established. Even in this ancient society, men dominated women; why? The answer goes back to their neolithic roots.

    Survival in those times were based on Hunting & Gathering and Agriculture. Both of these are intense physical activities, that our naturally weaker bodies cannot perform at the same level as our male counterparts. Hence, men were tasked with performing these critical activities that were necessary for survival, while women mostly provided sexual pleasure and gave birth to little caveman babies. This carried over into the first settlements, when Male and Female roles became more defined- Men are community involved, while Women had to be home involved.

    So one can say with a certain amount of confidence, that is is due to biology that women are inferior.

    BUT in the 21st century, we saw a great reversal of these roles.

    More and more Men began adopting characteristics associated with feminine behavior- such as paying more attention to their physical appearance, investing more in fashion (Men's Fashion was one of the fastest growing industries between 2000-2010). Conversely, Women have adopted characteristics associated with traditional male behavior- such as pursuing education (2/3rd of all Bachelor's Degrees conferred in 2012 were awarded to women), breaking the glass ceiling (Indra Nooyi, Sheryl Sandberg, and soon Hillary Clinton). Girls are also participating in collegiate sports at the same rate as men!

    So why did this happen? Male dominance has always been based on their physical superiority, dating back to over 5,000 years ago. In the past 100 years, technological advances made certain physical tasks obsolete, and therefore, even though men are physically superior, it makes no difference anymore. We no longer need Hunters & Gatherers to survive anymore, you know what I'm saying?

    Simultaneous to these obsolete-tation of Male biological advantages came the emasculation of men. The typical 21st century "pansy man", who is more concerned about getting $40 haircuts every week and fitting into the tightest skinny jeans from H&M rather than being a traditional "alpha man".

    Because of this, Men have become less desirable to Women. There are very few men whom I would want to receive savage penetration from upon simply being in their aura- this used to be common when Men were in their prime. The 2014 male is simply not desirable anymore, and therefore, our collective rate of "putting out", as dropped. As the supply of sex from women (We'll say "pussy") dwindles, Men have to put forth a more intense effort in order to receive sex from us- they are now taking us out on more dates that are more expensive, buying us bigger and better gifts, and giving us a sense of "Female privilege" that did not exist 30 years ago. In most of these cases, Men are not even expecting sex until the 6th or 7th date! Mere companionship with Females, even without a sexual premise, is worth more now than it ever was. This shallowing up of the "Pussy Supply" means that some men will only obtain pussy after going through many obstacles, while others will simply lose out and eventually end up a lonely sexually frustrated sociopath with low self-esteem that goes on a shooting rampage (Elliot Rodger)

    tl;dr: Men have turned into huge pussies.

    Here is just the latest example of an emasculated Men with feminine characteristics


    Thoughts on these thot thoughts?
    Men aren't superior to women in any sense, However each gender had and still has characteristics from man's survival days, When the men were the hunter gatherers which is why the males are built in a different physical aspect then the females, however in recent years due to mens lack of motivation to provide for ourselfs, This characteristic is almost un-noticable. In some men, Such as the commercial athletes shown in FutBol, American Hockey, Rugby, American Football, And MMA/UFC, You can definately notice the physically dominant traits between men and women, This is nothing against females, It is just how the human race was build and meant to be. Give it time and the physical difference between male and female will be non-existant, As man continues to become lazy, letting our body seclude into its new spoiled life

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