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    Yes hacks that are external are safe...... Means BOXESP's. RPM only hacks.
    By safe, I mean they are as safe as they have always been.

    Quote Originally Posted by Themonsterman View Post
    externa hack isnt necesserily safe. do you have proof its safe or guessing?

    the offsets changed that they read from so if the monitor whats reading it then it could be just as bad if not worse than wpm.

    i would like to see more proof than guess work before you make claims of whats safe or not.
    It seems that this guy is trying to insight a riot, while I understand being careful is good, especially around an update time. He has unfounded reasons for saying these read memory process hacks are not safe. He even says DATA offsets have changed.... They have not.
    Sure some of the mem offsets changed. Not all of them, and the ones that did not change are used by RPM, we don't ever touch WPM API's so we dont push val's and offsets to the game that can trigger a ban.

    Let me clarify something. If Valve, Activision, whoever, wanted to know if we were reading their process in memory they would have to either have a ring3 driver installed on our system (which is questionable morally, legally) or hook all running processes and watch for an API call to RPM for their process ( which is also questionable morally, and practically and legally).
    Simply put in some parts of the world that is illegal. They are not going to do it.
    Now to further understand what is going on here....
    If they employed these tactics before, then they could have already caught us.
    So what is the difference if they do it now?
    They did not change their system to do these things... I am 99% sure of it.
    1% because we saw what Sony did a few years ago with rootkits.

    Themonsterman, doesn't sound very knowledgeable in this area to me. Not saying he's not smart and I'm sure he is smart in area's similar to this. But in order for Valve etc to have the ability to see us Read Memory they would have to have employed one of the two options above, or a very similar method. The did not do this. Here is how I see it...
    They have created their executable to contain dummy offsets that proxy real values and also give actual results for WPM hacks. This is to trigger bans for hacks like Catalyst hacks etc. (This is my opinion, remember that). But in no way did the Data offsets change, and even if they had, say there was 2 sets of all offsets, which is ridiculous in practice, and even practicality, then what would be the difference in us reading those values or other values?
    If they can't catch us reading the values.... Then why would they do that? Hence the reason that there is not two values for DATA offsets.
    They can not know that we are reading those values... So hack away with your external hacks. Beware of updates, and don't use hacks after updates unless someone tells you it's OK, and is a knowledgeable person.

    Another thought on this, they don't even have to know what values we are reading, but that we are reading values in their process period... Lots of programs use RPM in their routines, modules etc.... This is too risky to ban for RPM, since someone could be working on a new product like FRAPS, or something similar, they can't mass ban people because they think someone is hacking, they have to know, or a class action lawsuit will ensue. This is my opinion means that VAC2 would have to have a major overhaul, and they would have to have proper detection of hack files, whether that is a CRC or Hash of some kind. The python version of the boxesp has a random module generator, which changes the offsets of our hack everytime it runs.... How can they detect a pattern in that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigermisu View Post
    So can I use external box ESPs or not?
    The external works. And i'm doubting they found a way to detect it. Go ahead and use it...but i'm not saying its still as safe as it was a while ago. Cuz i used yesterday.
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    I'll just change my IP, and I have all your IP's guys. So watch it. I may hack or put a virus in ur computer.
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    Injecting in the lobby gets you directly banned. Thats my secret deal with Battleye, I let them have the people who can't read the instructions and they don't ban the others in return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dheir View Post
    Yes hacks that are external are safe...... Means BOXESP's. RPM only hacks.
    By safe, I mean they are as safe as they have always been.


    It seems that this guy is trying to insight a riot, while I understand being careful is good, especially around an update time. He has unfounded reasons for saying these read memory process hacks are not safe. He even says DATA offsets have changed.... They have not.
    Sure some of the mem offsets changed. Not all of them, and the ones that did not change are used by RPM, we don't ever touch WPM API's so we dont push val's and offsets to the game that can trigger a ban.

    Let me clarify something. If Valve, Activision, whoever, wanted to know if we were reading their process in memory they would have to either have a ring3 driver installed on our system (which is questionable morally, legally) or hook all running processes and watch for an API call to RPM for their process ( which is also questionable morally, and practically and legally).
    Simply put in some parts of the world that is illegal. They are not going to do it.
    Now to further understand what is going on here....
    If they employed these tactics before, then they could have already caught us.
    So what is the difference if they do it now?
    They did not change their system to do these things... I am 99% sure of it.
    1% because we saw what Sony did a few years ago with rootkits.

    Themonsterman, doesn't sound very knowledgeable in this area to me. Not saying he's not smart and I'm sure he is smart in area's similar to this. But in order for Valve etc to have the ability to see us Read Memory they would have to have employed one of the two options above, or a very similar method. The did not do this. Here is how I see it...
    They have created their executable to contain dummy offsets that proxy real values and also give actual results for WPM hacks. This is to trigger bans for hacks like Catalyst hacks etc. (This is my opinion, remember that). But in no way did the Data offsets change, and even if they had, say there was 2 sets of all offsets, which is ridiculous in practice, and even practicality, then what would be the difference in us reading those values or other values?
    If they can't catch us reading the values.... Then why would they do that? Hence the reason that there is not two values for DATA offsets.
    They can not know that we are reading those values... So hack away with your external hacks. Beware of updates, and don't use hacks after updates unless someone tells you it's OK, and is a knowledgeable person.

    Another thought on this, they don't even have to know what values we are reading, but that we are reading values in their process period... Lots of programs use RPM in their routines, modules etc.... This is too risky to ban for RPM, since someone could be working on a new product like FRAPS, or something similar, they can't mass ban people because they think someone is hacking, they have to know, or a class action lawsuit will ensue. This is my opinion means that VAC2 would have to have a major overhaul, and they would have to have proper detection of hack files, whether that is a CRC or Hash of some kind. The python version of the boxesp has a random module generator, which changes the offsets of our hack everytime it runs.... How can they detect a pattern in that?
    you made my eyes go square!...
    nice essay!...


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    athe external i have, still works i was useing it last night and today, and i havent been baned yet.

    i still think its safe.

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    All external hacks still work. Wouldn't mind you updating the offsets though.
    Now, someone needs to make an aimbot for the XP and home basic version.
    W7 and Vista ultimate should both be able to run it.
    I don't get why you require the Aero mode? Vista home basic and xp, 95,98 none of these can run Aero. Yet w7 and the other vista versions can run the same as xp.

    So please start making XP versions instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lheimer View Post
    All external hacks still work. Wouldn't mind you updating the offsets though.
    Now, someone needs to make an aimbot for the XP and home basic version.
    W7 and Vista ultimate should both be able to run it.
    I don't get why you require the Aero mode? Vista home basic and xp, 95,98 none of these can run Aero. Yet w7 and the other vista versions can run the same as xp.

    So please start making XP versions instead.
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    It requires Aero or Windows 7/Vista because the hack is a overlay, like a piece of thin glass. You can see through it and on the glass is basically the hack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    i never said it was safe, i said all hacks still worked
    but yea, i should have investigated more about it.

    my apologies
    I doubt you investigated at all, if you would have investigated a bit (if you know how) you'd even notice it. Where did you base that first fact on ? O_o
    Anyways we all know now , shut the friggin topic don't let foai get more posts, even tho hes banned now. BTW, do you also know what offsets even are ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Themonsterman View Post
    i cant release my 1.2.208 hack here due to its advertising features. sorry.
    naww dammit..release! release!

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    Quote Originally Posted by master131 View Post
    It requires Aero or Windows 7/Vista because the hack is a overlay, like a piece of thin glass. You can see through it and on the glass is basically the hack.
    lol?....when someone is looking from outside in can they see the hack on the window?....no?...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Koen View Post
    I doubt you investigated at all, if you would have investigated a bit (if you know how) you'd even notice it. Where did you base that first fact on ? O_o
    Anyways we all know now , shut the friggin topic don't let foai get more posts, even tho hes banned now. BTW, do you also know what offsets even are ?
    Are you trying to start a fight?
    Seriously got a God complex?
    Dude the offsets for Data did not change but the code offsets did, external hacks are still good, so get over it, and yes we have offsets.

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    I'm not, I'm feeling uneasy when we're getting told stuff by a "pro mod hacker" that doesn't even do research on the stuff that he tells us, I mean, if we can't take his word for it, whose can we take? I'll be with TheUser anyways.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dheir View Post
    Are you trying to start a fight?
    Seriously got a God complex?
    Dude the offsets for Data did not change but the code offsets did, external hacks are still good, so get over it, and yes we have offsets.
    can't we express our feelings without fighting?...

    Quote Originally Posted by Koen View Post
    I'm not, I'm feeling uneasy when we're getting told stuff by a "pro mod hacker" that doesn't even do research on the stuff that he tells us, I mean, if we can't take his word for it, whose can we take? I'll be with TheUser anyways.
    hahahah.....
    btw gg on your sig.


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