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    Quote Originally Posted by D3DR3VO View Post
    Luffy wins hands down.
    Haki just owns everything.


    Luffy has Haki, which makes him have the ability to predict peoples moves, harden him self, move twice as fast, Make people faint and a shit more ton of things.


    Also Goku is not the strongest character, he never will be and to even prove that how many times has he died??



    I am guessing you haven't seen the new One Piece, even after Zoro learned from Hawk, Luffy is about even with Zoro.
    Mainly just becuase King's Haki has the ability to make any one faint.(If strong enough)

    Haki wouldn't effect Goku, his will power would dominate everyone's.. And so what if Goku died a couple times? he was wished back and got stronger xD So he IS the strongest character

     







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    Quote Originally Posted by D3DR3VO View Post
    Luffy wins hands down.
    Haki just owns everything.


    Luffy has Haki, which makes him have the ability to predict peoples moves, harden him self, move twice as fast, Make people faint and a shit more ton of things.


    Also Goku is not the strongest character, he never will be and to even prove that how many times has he died??



    I am guessing you haven't seen the new One Piece, even after Zoro learned from Hawk, Luffy is about even with Zoro.
    Mainly just becuase King's Haki has the ability to make any one faint.(If strong enough)
    Haki is primarily a one-piece ability but its not going to effect goku to any real extent.


    The steal, is for logia primarily but gokuwouldn't take that dmg in a real form(i mean goku destroys mountains with his fist ffs).

    The faint move is for lower-class opponent.


    Goku died.....earlier in the series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    Haki is primarily a one-piece ability but its not going to effect goku to any real extent.


    The steal, is for logia primarily but gokuwouldn't take that dmg in a real form(i mean goku destroys mountains with his fist ffs).

    The faint move is for lower-class opponent.


    Goku died.....earlier in the series.
    And that's just cause saiyans are reckless, they won't stop until their opponent is defeated (no matter what the stake is)... by themselves ofcourse..

     







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    Quote Originally Posted by Gοku View Post
    Haki wouldn't effect Goku, his will power would dominate everyone's.. And so what if Goku died a couple times? he was wished back and got stronger xD So he IS the strongest character
    That would be like saying All of Goku's hits bounce off Luffy since Ki is only in Goku's world.
    If you are going to compare shit you have to have all the abilities effect each other not just one.


    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    Haki is primarily a one-piece ability but its not going to effect goku to any real extent.


    The steal, is for logia primarily but gokuwouldn't take that dmg in a real form(i mean goku destroys mountains with his fist ffs).

    The faint move is for lower-class opponent.


    Goku died.....earlier in the series.
    That isn't entirely true.
    Read a little bit more about Silvers Rayleigh.
    King's Haki does a lot more then just making people Faint if you know how to use it.

    Also if Goku was allowed to have his Ki blast, then it would still be even since if you can't really use Haki then King's Haki will out right beat you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D3DR3VO View Post
    That would be like saying All of Goku's hits bounce off Luffy since Ki is only in Goku's world.
    If you are going to compare shit you have to have all the abilities effect each other not just one.



    That isn't entirely true.
    Read a little bit more about Silvers Rayleigh.
    King's Haki does a lot more then just making people Faint if you know how to use it.

    Also if Goku was allowed to have his Ki blast, then it would still be even since if you can't really use Haki then King's Haki will out right beat you.

    Well this is all hypothetical and depends in which universe/s they fight in... (No body is immune to a Ki blast, except gods (Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods).

     







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    Ichigo is pretty fucking strong, Naruto is pretty fucking strong, Luffy is pretty fucking strong. 1v1, none of them can take Goku. Together? I don't know, I'm kind of leaning towards the 3 people over the 1.








     





















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    how about we make a chart

    Stamina
    Power
    ranged attacks
    resilience
    willpower
    leathality
    speed

    Now if we just go by those criteria:

    Goku:
    Stamina
    High
    Power
    High
    ranged attacks
    mid-high (lets not forget it seems to take him forever to fire a damn kamehameha
    resilience
    depends
    willpower
    extreme but depends on what hes fighting for
    leathality
    Has a hard time being willing to kill people
    speed
    Can teleport


    Ichigo:
    Stamina
    High (and seems to regenerate to an extent depending on what form hes in)
    Power
    High (enhanced physical strength and weilds a giant sword)
    ranged attacks
    Mid to high (Getsuga Tensho, cero)
    resilience
    High
    willpower
    same as goku
    leathality
    wields a sword so he only needs a split second while goku needs to punch and blast people to death
    speed
    Can basically teleport (flash step)

    Naruto:
    Stamina
    mid
    Power
    mid to high (can learn diffferent skills)
    ranged attacks
    mid (i can only think of two)
    resilience
    cant withstand super strong attacks unless in ninetales form
    willpower
    mid (he always strives to be the best BUT fighting to protect someone is usually stonger than fighting to get stronger
    leathality
    mid-high
    speed
    not high but can use shadow clones to compensate

    Luffy:
    Stamina
    high
    Power
    depends
    ranged attacks
    high (can stretch xD)
    resilience
    is made of rubber so he can absorb a good bit of damge
    willpower
    mid-high
    leathality
    high (rapid punches and can do these from a distance)
    speed
    low-mid (not sure how fast he is, havent watched one peace in a few years)


    So, now down to why i think ichigo would win, he just has the highest leathality in my opinion and if he released his holow and just let it go beserk he would be hard to beat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aerozynx View Post
    how about we make a chart

    Stamina
    Power
    ranged attacks
    resilience
    willpower
    leathality
    speed

    Now if we just go by those criteria:

    Goku:
    Stamina
    High
    Power
    High
    ranged attacks
    mid-high (lets not forget it seems to take him forever to fire a damn kamehameha
    resilience
    depends
    willpower
    extreme but depends on what hes fighting for
    leathality
    Has a hard time being willing to kill people
    speed
    Can teleport


    Ichigo:
    Stamina
    High (and seems to regenerate to an extent depending on what form hes in)
    Power
    High (enhanced physical strength and weilds a giant sword)
    ranged attacks
    Mid to high (Getsuga Tensho, cero)
    resilience
    High
    willpower
    same as goku
    leathality
    wields a sword so he only needs a split second while goku needs to punch and blast people to death
    speed
    Can basically teleport (flash step)

    Naruto:
    Stamina
    mid
    Power
    mid to high (can learn diffferent skills)
    ranged attacks
    mid (i can only think of two)
    resilience
    cant withstand super strong attacks unless in ninetales form
    willpower
    mid (he always strives to be the best BUT fighting to protect someone is usually stonger than fighting to get stronger
    leathality
    mid-high
    speed
    not high but can use shadow clones to compensate

    Luffy:
    Stamina
    high
    Power
    depends
    ranged attacks
    high (can stretch xD)
    resilience
    is made of rubber so he can absorb a good bit of damge
    willpower
    mid-high
    leathality
    high (rapid punches and can do these from a distance)
    speed
    low-mid (not sure how fast he is, havent watched one peace in a few years)


    So, now down to why i think ichigo would win, he just has the highest leathality in my opinion and if he released his holow and just let it go beserk he would be hard to beat

    Nice xD, but it doesn't take him long to fire a kamehameha anymore

    Took him a couple of seconds at the end of Battle of Gods

    Nice table

     







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    Quote Originally Posted by Gοku View Post
    Nice xD, but it doesn't take him long to fire a kamehameha anymore

    Took him a couple of seconds at the end of Battle of Gods

    Nice table
    Thanks xD I haven`t seen Battle of the Gods but now i think i might have to..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aerozynx View Post


    Thanks xD I haven`t seen Battle of the Gods but now i think i might have to..
    Yea, It's pretty good. The graphics are awesome!

     







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    Quote Originally Posted by D3DR3VO View Post
    That would be like saying All of Goku's hits bounce off Luffy since Ki is only in Goku's world.
    If you are going to compare shit you have to have all the abilities effect each other not just one.



    That isn't entirely true.
    Read a little bit more about Silvers Rayleigh.
    King's Haki does a lot more then just making people Faint if you know how to use it.

    Also if Goku was allowed to have his Ki blast, then it would still be even since if you can't really use Haki then King's Haki will out right beat you.
    First off ki is universal in terms of manga. Chakra/ki/haki are all the same shit.


    I read One piece, haki is primarily an anti-logia use with the exception of just strengthening basic attributes of the body(such as making your fist steel or strengthening your guard).
    -------------

    King's Haki doesn't outright "beat" opponents, at least higher level ones.


    Luffy/naruto/ichigo fight at a lower level than Goku, that is really all there is to it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    First off ki is universal in terms of manga. Chakra/ki/haki are all the same shit.


    I read One piece, haki is primarily an anti-logia use with the exception of just strengthening basic attributes of the body(such as making your fist steel or strengthening your guard).
    -------------

    King's Haki doesn't outright "beat" opponents, at least higher level ones.


    Luffy/naruto/ichigo fight at a lower level than Goku, that is really all there is to it.
    Rep +. You have good answers to these statements

     







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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    Haki is primarily a one-piece ability but its not going to effect goku to any real extent.


    The steal, is for logia primarily but gokuwouldn't take that dmg in a real form(i mean goku destroys mountains with his fist ffs).

    The faint move is for lower-class opponent.


    Goku died.....earlier in the series.
    Same thing goes for KI.
    We can put it this way KI=HAKI or HAKI=KI (What ever floats your boat.) in this extent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D3DR3VO View Post
    Same thing goes for KI.
    We can put it this way KI=HAKI or HAKI=KI (What ever floats your boat.) in this extent.
    Not really getting the point, are you?

    Haki's use is primarily to counter the logia users and their abilities. So far luffy does not posses the ability to just instant-win with haki, all his haki abilities have been used either to strengthen his own or counter the logia ones.

    :/ Again, luffy just fights at a lower level, which is cool, but in a vs. he'd definitely lose.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    Not really getting the point, are you?

    Haki's use is primarily to counter the logia users and their abilities. So far luffy does not posses the ability to just instant-win with haki, all his haki abilities have been used either to strengthen his own or counter the logia ones.

    :/ Again, luffy just fights at a lower level, which is cool, but in a vs. he'd definitely lose.
    But only one of Luffy's Haki actually counters Logia type people.
    Kenbunshoku Haki allows them to have a 6th sense to predict the person's next move.
    Busoshoku Haki which is the type that is used to counter the Logia type.
    Haoshoku Haki a rare type of Haki only one in a million can use which grants the user the ability to overpower the will of others.

    So as I stated Haki=KI in this case.
    you get rid of both of them then in this case Luffy would win due to being rubber....

    Unless in this case Goku keeps his KI, but in ends being effected by the HAKI as Luffy would be effected by it as well.
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