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    Quote Originally Posted by gamer4evere View Post

    Tell me, its not related to the topic, but can you give me the names of manga that are similar to Ana Satsujin?
    Except Nozoki Ana, read it already and loved it.
    How about Kara no Kyoukai?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    How about Kara no Kyoukai?
    Will check it and if I like it I will read it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iSmexy View Post
    why watch it when you can read it ?
    Why click when you can just sit back and do other stuff on your second monitor ?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horror View Post

    Why click when you can just sit back and do other stuff on your second monitor ?
    Why waste a monitor for a generic sao hero reskin being edgy in a moe gorefestu?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alen View Post
    Why waste a monitor for a generic sao hero reskin being edgy in a moe gorefestu?
    >This was before SAO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Color View Post
    >This was before SAO
    Substitute SAO with whoever created the generic i-can-totes-associate-with-this-guy hero archetype. I just used SAO because it was the most obnoxious example I can remember from recent seasons, but you get the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alen View Post
    Substitute SAO with whoever created the generic i-can-totes-associate-with-this-guy hero archetype.
    Yea, but I haven't had 2 friends of mine tortured and killed in front of my eyes. Sorry. Not associating with anyone I'm afraid.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alen View Post
    Substitute SAO with whoever created the generic i-can-totes-associate-with-this-guy hero archetype. I just used SAO because it was the most obnoxious example I can remember from recent seasons, but you get the point.
    Every action anime has to have a hero type protagonist.

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    everyone has his preferences, I also like watching above reading it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Color View Post


    Every action anime has to have a hero type protagonist.
    Having a hero protagonist is fine, but when he's an empty shell meant to be self insertable and the setting IS NOT porn/hentai, then yeah, the protagonist sucks.

    I'm not saying whatever you are claiming is a bad protagonist, just that i think you missed the point.


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    A small note before I write these two paragraphs: I haven't actually read any of the original materials, I've just seen the first 4 episodes of the anime adaptation. Why? Idk, stuff. If you can tell me why the manga is better and worth going through, I might give it a shot at some point, but so far I don't think the adaptation is the problem, as you might have realised.

    Quote Originally Posted by Color View Post
    Every action anime has to have a hero type protagonist.
    Just compare the "protagonist" of SAO and Accel World, both written by Kawahara. It's so blatantly obvious that SAO predates AW and it's even more obvious how generic Kirito is, how his character literally fits with whatever great hero trope is being presented in the current episode or chapter. He has no progression, presented as crudely as possible while still retaining enough heroism, power and intellect to single-handedly take on anything and fix everything. On the other hand Haru is far from ideal, hardly a protagonist compared to Kirito. He is flawed, selfish and AW pretty much deals with him growing and developing his character, rather than molding him to fit heroic tropes that kids see as ideals. He deals with insecurity, a conflict between what's right and what he wants, etc.

    Whether you want to believe it or not, not every "hero type protagonist" is Kirito-like, and I would definitely argue that being Kirito-like, if anything, is a negative thing when it comes to character quality. While I can definitely stomach someone like Kirito being a plot device or something irrelevant to whatever deeper shit an anime is supposed to have, I just cannot stand him as the mc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Horror View Post
    Yea, but I haven't had 2 friends of mine tortured and killed in front of my eyes. Sorry. Not associating with anyone I'm afraid.
    I'm sorry, but from the 4 episodes I've seen Tatsumi does shit to cope with loss. The entire torturing and dying friends shit is mainly used as a fucking plot device and aside from the occasional flashback or "I have to continue this quest for them" shit they might as well have said Tatsumi never knew them to start off with. Just like with Kirito you are identifying with his heroic traits such as persistence, courage, blah blah blah and being all like "shit yeah, this guy is cool, he swings a sword and doesn't give shit about baddies that look 10x as tough". On the other hand I've seen shitloads of people hate Haru and AW solely because they actually do fucking identify with someone who would give up something that is "right" for selfish love, someone who's a coward and cannot face his issues and they simply cannot handle human flaws in someone who's supposed to be a hero.

    tl;dr too much talk about SAO and AW, but I like making that comparison when talking about generic heroes. Tatsumi = Kirito = I will fit your ideal hero archetype != protagonists from pretty much any decent anime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alen View Post
    On the other hand I've seen shitloads of people hate Haru and AW solely because they actually do fucking identify with someone who would give up something that is "right" for selfish love, someone who's a coward and cannot face his issues and they simply cannot handle human flaws in someone who's supposed to be a hero.
    The main hate I see against AW is generally the same general hate you'll see against SAO.

    It's just incredibly mediocre.

    You can nitpick all the stuff you want, but at the end of the day there really just isn't anything special about either of them. The only reason they get a higher hate-rating is because their popularity is higher.*(Well SAO, AW isn't popular at all).

    :/


    Akame's a nice brainless action show. Just not gonna pay attention till the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post
    The main hate I see against AW is generally the same general hate you'll see against SAO.

    It's just incredibly mediocre.

    You can nitpick all the stuff you want, but at the end of the day there really just isn't anything special about either of them. The only reason they get a higher hate-rating is because their popularity is higher.*(Well SAO, AW isn't popular at all).
    Yeah, I'm not saying AW is special or anything, it actually suffers from a ton of shit that plagues SAO to. It's just that AW at least has an interesting MC. I definitely wouldn't single out Haru as the reason it's not liked as much as other shows, but on the other hand there's still a vocal group that hates AW because they cannot stand Haru. Idk, maybe I just hang out with the wrong crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alen View Post
    Yeah, I'm not saying AW is special or anything, it actually suffers from a ton of shit that plagues SAO to. It's just that AW at least has an interesting MC. I definitely wouldn't single out Haru as the reason it's not liked as much as other shows, but on the other hand there's still a vocal group that hates AW because they cannot stand Haru. Idk, maybe I just hang out with the wrong crowd.
    I dislike haru too, but that's just because he isn't interesting imo. I find AW's female protagonist to be more of an issue than haru though.

    At least it's not blatantly sexist like SAO tho......


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    I dislike haru too, but that's just because he isn't interesting imo. I find AW's female protagonist to be more of an issue than haru though.

    At least it's not blatantly sexist like SAO tho......


    <Still hold the opinion that both shows would be good if you made them fantasy instead of video game shtick>
    The issue with that being would be SAO wouldn't be how it is now due to the many different genre worlds that are with the virtual world.
    What they should have done was just stick to the first SAO world and not change at all. They could have made the shows a lot longer, instead of ending Aincrad off by killing Kayaba.

    Akame ga killl on the other hand is a nice anime, I have watched all the current episodes and only read some of the manga.
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