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    I suggest getting a Steelseries Sensei Pro Mouse just like Riddick said and then get a Steelseries Apex Keyboard, It allows you to customise what colour you want for each key so you can adjust it to what you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riddick View Post
    Steelseries Sensei Pro Mouse and Mouse Mat. I use a Laptop so can't help on the Keyboard.
    Steelseries
    -Sensei
    -Sensei RAW
    -Sensei MLG / 8200-A9800
    -Sensei Wireless / 8200-A9800
    -XAI

    Have flawed sensor, (A9800, A9500). For every movement, you can have a positive inconsistency of 0-5% (hardware accel). Unlike optical sensors, this accel is completely random, and cannot be compensated with muscle memory.

    So for example, in a 180 degreee turn, you can offshoot 181-189 degree. Not a good sensor for twitch FPS games/demand good response.

    The MLG version has a massive input lag at launch, idk if they fixed the issue with newer firmware.

    SS software "engine 2/3" also install a custom mouse driver for your mouse. I would expect this to cause unneeded input latency. Windows default mouse driver is better and causes less problems.


    Graph showing inconsistent tracking distance 0-5%. Tested with Steelseries XAI (9500)





    Quote Originally Posted by chamakito View Post
    I would recommends a Steelseries 6gv2 it's not illuminate, but it's a nice keyboard for game [Mostly in FPS game]
    And a Logitech G400s or higher it's a nice mouse.
    Good mouse, native DPI step is 800 and 3600 (else, it's wasted counts or interpolated)
    There's a slight feel of input latency with the G400S (4000DPi firmware) - to avoid this, I would advise to buy a G400 non-S

    Available from korea: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Logitech...item3a8cadd8f5



    Quote Originally Posted by Ex0rPl4net View Post
    i dont know if this is still active but i use the

    CM storm quickfire TK with brown switches and white illumination
    and a deathadder 2013 mouse,its amazing

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    Razer Deathadder 2013
    Read below.




    Quote Originally Posted by Oneminecraftman View Post
    I suggest getting a Steelseries Sensei Pro Mouse just like Riddick said and then get a Steelseries Apex Keyboard, It allows you to customise what colour you want for each key so you can adjust it to what you want.
    Apex is rubber dome, is standard switch for office keyboards. Not good for FPS because of the lack of feedback and squishy feeling.









    Deathadder info

    I would not get the 2013. The 2013 has a processed feel to the sensor (input delay) makes the cursor floaty.

    The Deathadder BLACK or the older 3G version has a much more "raw" feeling to the sensor. Making it more precise and natural to aim/point with.

    As far for sensor performance it goes

    DA Black > DA3G/1800 > DA3.5/3500 > DA4G-2013/6400 = Krait 2013

    Razer's quality is not that good imo, I'd avoid the DA unless you REALLY have to use the shape.

    Also, no matter what DPi you are using, all the steps are interpolated and/or have consistency issue. The ONLY DPi step that is usable on the DA is 1800.

    If you think 1800 is too high for game, you can recalibrate the sensitivity to match your old DPi and game sens using this tool: http://www.mouse-sensitivity.com/







    Mouse that is good (2014 standards)


    G502 - PMW3366 Optical - 50-12000DPi with 50DPi native step (if it is divisible by 50 without decimal, it is native). Work best 400-1600DPi. Best sensor on the market atm. 7m/s control speed for low sensitivity players.
    -Mouse feet issue, heavy mouse (120g)


    PMW3310 line - is a low cost sensor alternative to 3366, 5m/s control speed. Work best at 400DPi (problem is, higher the DPi, higher the input lag).

    Mionix Avior / Naos 7000 - Ambidextrous / Right handed ergonomic mouse. Best build quality atm for 3310 sensor mouse.

    SS Rival - Build quality problem with first batch, coating not so good. Early firmware had DPi switch bug.

    Roccat KPO Military - ?

    Corsair M45 - slight input latency, might get fixed with newer firmwares as corsair rep seems active on ESR/OCN forums



    Microsoft Intellimouse 1.1-1.1A/Explorer 3.0/WMO1.1 - MLT04 sensor, good for 1.5m/s when USB overclock to 500Hz (tut: http://www.overclock.net/t/596276/ch...000hz-or-lower) - not work on windows8. 400DPi ONLY. No negative or positive accel if speed is below 1.5m/s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yellow 13 View Post
    Steelseries
    -Sensei
    -Sensei RAW
    -Sensei MLG / 8200-A9800
    -Sensei Wireless / 8200-A9800
    -XAI

    Have flawed sensor, (A9800, A9500). For every movement, you can have a positive inconsistency of 0-5% (hardware accel). Unlike optical sensors, this accel is completely random, and cannot be compensated with muscle memory.

    So for example, in a 180 degreee turn, you can offshoot 181-189 degree. Not a good sensor for twitch FPS games/demand good response.

    The MLG version has a massive input lag at launch, idk if they fixed the issue with newer firmware.

    SS software "engine 2/3" also install a custom mouse driver for your mouse. I would expect this to cause unneeded input latency. Windows default mouse driver is better and causes less problems.


    Graph showing inconsistent tracking distance 0-5%. Tested with Steelseries XAI (9500)







    Good mouse, native DPI step is 800 and 3600 (else, it's wasted counts or interpolated)
    There's a slight feel of input latency with the G400S (4000DPi firmware) - to avoid this, I would advise to buy a G400 non-S

    Available from korea: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Logitech...item3a8cadd8f5








    Read below.






    Apex is rubber dome, is standard switch for office keyboards. Not good for FPS because of the lack of feedback and squishy feeling.









    Deathadder info

    I would not get the 2013. The 2013 has a processed feel to the sensor (input delay) makes the cursor floaty.

    The Deathadder BLACK or the older 3G version has a much more "raw" feeling to the sensor. Making it more precise and natural to aim/point with.

    As far for sensor performance it goes

    DA Black > DA3G/1800 > DA3.5/3500 > DA4G-2013/6400 = Krait 2013

    Razer's quality is not that good imo, I'd avoid the DA unless you REALLY have to use the shape.

    Also, no matter what DPi you are using, all the steps are interpolated and/or have consistency issue. The ONLY DPi step that is usable on the DA is 1800.

    If you think 1800 is too high for game, you can recalibrate the sensitivity to match your old DPi and game sens using this tool: http://www.mouse-sensitivity.com/







    Mouse that is good (2014 standards)


    G502 - PMW3366 Optical - 50-12000DPi with 50DPi native step (if it is divisible by 50 without decimal, it is native). Work best 400-1600DPi. Best sensor on the market atm. 7m/s control speed for low sensitivity players.
    -Mouse feet issue, heavy mouse (120g)


    PMW3310 line - is a low cost sensor alternative to 3366, 5m/s control speed. Work best at 400DPi (problem is, higher the DPi, higher the input lag).

    Mionix Avior / Naos 7000 - Ambidextrous / Right handed ergonomic mouse. Best build quality atm for 3310 sensor mouse.

    SS Rival - Build quality problem with first batch, coating not so good. Early firmware had DPi switch bug.

    Roccat KPO Military - ?

    Corsair M45 - slight input latency, might get fixed with newer firmwares as corsair rep seems active on ESR/OCN forums



    Microsoft Intellimouse 1.1-1.1A/Explorer 3.0/WMO1.1 - MLT04 sensor, good for 1.5m/s when USB overclock to 500Hz (tut: http://www.overclock.net/t/596276/ch...000hz-or-lower) - not work on windows8. 400DPi ONLY. No negative or positive accel if speed is below 1.5m/s.
    -Need change mouse feet, and mouse microswitch (recommend hyperglide and DF2C-F-7N switch)
    I don't think many people on this forum would even be able to tell if acceleration even affected their aim. Seriously, grip and comfort is a much more important factor than a tiny bit of acceleration. I can tell you right now that I've had dozens of mice with flawless grade sensors and I've now ended up with a Sensei Pro that fits my hands perfectly and I'd choose the grip and feel of the Sensei over the flawless sensors any day of the week, no matter what game I'm playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post


    I don't think many people on this forum would even be able to tell if acceleration even affected their aim. Seriously, grip and comfort is a much more important factor than a tiny bit of acceleration. I can tell you right now that I've had dozens of mice with flawless grade sensors and I've now ended up with a Sensei Pro that fits my hands perfectly and I'd choose the grip and feel of the Sensei over the flawless sensors any day of the week, no matter what game I'm playing.
    That's why you'll never be MLG.

    Consistency is key for good in game stats and performance, the A9500-A9800-S9818/S9819 sensor will fail you in every aspect of consistency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yellow 13 View Post
    That's why you'll never be MLG.

    Consistency is key for good in game stats and performance, the A9500-A9800-S9818/S9819 sensor will fail you in every aspect of consistency.
    You act as if people actually want to be MLG Pro. The tournament is a jokefest. I don't think you'll ever be MLG either kiddo, sorry to shatter your dreams.

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    Keep playing with your crap sensor.

    DPi means nothing if your tracking isn't perfect.
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    steelseries sensei and 6gv2

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