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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post

    No, they don't. Religious people get their morality from their experiences, just like everyone else.

    Atheist don't need a holy book to tell us what to do. We don't need a God to say "this is wrong" and never explain on that. We know, we understand the reason X is wrong or right, and for you to say that atheist don't have that is obviously a lie.(as majority atheistic/secular societies have much lower crime-rates than religious ones).


    But if it was just another interpretation, it wouldn't work.
    Religious people do get their morality from their religion. They don't get the moral rule of no sex before marriage from their "experience."

    There is nothing in Atheism for anything to be wrong. According to Atheism there are reasons why killing people is good but there are none for why it is bad. Example: killing people is good because it will lead to less people to compete with and you can steal their things in order to increase your survival chances. There is no set of moral codes in Atheism, it is a joke. Tell me why anything should really be wrong according to Atheism? You can't because there is nothing to Atheism. The morality you live by are your own reasons but none of them are valid in Atheism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post
    Islam conditions people to blindly accept things, and when some terrorist comes around saying "The Quran says this!" the people blindly follow.


    Islam doesn't help it's people, it harms them.
    Verily, in this is indeed a sign for people who think. (16:69)
    Do they not think deeply (in their own selves) about themselves (how Allah created them from nothing, and similarly He will resurrect them)?…….(30:8)
    …. so that their hearts (and minds) may thus use reason… [22:46]
    …in all this] there are messages/signs indeed for people who use their reason. [2:164]
    Those who remember Allah (always, and in prayers) standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, and think deeply about the creation of the heavens and the earth…..(3:191)
    ……….. So relate the stories, perhaps they may reflect. (7:176)
    Do they not reflect? There is no madness in their companion (Muhammad). He is but a plain warner. (7:184)
    …. Such are the parables which We put forward to mankind that they may reflect. (59:21)

    This is like the hundredth time you have said something about Islam where I have proved you wrong with verses from the Quran. You know very little about Islam. Just stop with the Islam says this or that, you are making a fool of yourself.
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    Science is learning about the creation, Islam is learning about the creator.

    Alif, Lam, Meem. - 2:1 Quran
    This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah(God) - 2:2 Quran
    Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them, - 2:3 Quran
    And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith]. - 2:4 Quran
    Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. - 2:5 Quran
    Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. - 2:6 Quran

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSpankYourGirl View Post


    Bullying me? . Dude you wouldn't bully me in a million years if you tried.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrSpankYourGirl View Post

    But don't go around bashing other people, calling people stupid, uneducated, because they have something/someone to look up to, that's the real problem here.
    Implied QQ about me bullying you.

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    But that's besides the point. Your points are still stupid. You take everything I say in a literal way, when I'm just using examples half the time. Re-read what I wrote 4-5 times maybe your brain will process something. Easy.

    And the Quran doesn't justify murder, if that's what you meant.
    What did I take literally that you did not mean to be? You gave no examples and did not quote me. If your response is simply "reread what I said" i'll just refer you to do the same, except add "don't be an idiot by not clarifying"

    The point isn't that the Quran justifies murder or not(it surely does), but that you said "just do what you think is right".
    (No! What I think is right could be anything!, why the fuck would you ever say that?! )




    Quote Originally Posted by robinvanpersie View Post
    Religious people do get their morality from their religion. They don't get the moral rule of no sex before marriage from their "experience."
    What is moral(good) about "no sex before marriage"?
    -All I see is an assertion that they do, no argument for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by robinvanpersie View Post
    There is nothing in Atheism for anything to be wrong. According to Atheism
    Let me stop you right there.
    Atheism has no dogma nor set of beliefs. It's simply the lack of a belief in god. You utter retard.



    Quote Originally Posted by robinvanpersie View Post
    Example: killing people is good because it will lead to less people to compete with and you can steal their things in order to increase your survival chances. There is no set of moral codes in Atheism, it is a joke. Tell me why anything should really be wrong according to Atheism? You can't because there is nothing to Atheism. The morality you live by are your own reasons but none of them are valid in Atheism.
    O_O

    So basically, without Islam you'd just go around killing people, is that correct?


    I didn't realize your morality was so paper thin robin, but I can't say I'm surprised.


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    Quote Originally Posted by robinvanpersie View Post
    Verily, in this is indeed a sign for people who think. (16:69)
    Do they not think deeply (in their own selves) about themselves (how Allah created them from nothing, and similarly He will resurrect them)?…….(30:8)
    …. so that their hearts (and minds) may thus use reason… [22:46]
    …in all this] there are messages/signs indeed for people who use their reason. [2:164]
    Those who remember Allah (always, and in prayers) standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, and think deeply about the creation of the heavens and the earth…..(3:191)
    ……….. So relate the stories, perhaps they may reflect. (7:176)
    Do they not reflect? There is no madness in their companion (Muhammad). He is but a plain warner. (7:184)
    …. Such are the parables which We put forward to mankind that they may reflect. (59:21)

    This is like the hundredth time you have said something about Islam where I have proved you wrong with verses from the Quran. You know very little about Islam. Just stop with the Islam says this or that, you are making a fool of yourself.
    Robin, why do you quote the Quran? You've clearly never actually read it.
    (i'm citing the quotes in-context and explaining how stupid they make you look).


    This is because you are arguing the Quran promotes reason, when the quotes you listed are straight up indoctrination tactics of "whoever doesn't follow the quran is stupid hurr durr". I mean holy fuck, you just shot yourself in the foot and bullet travelled straight to your knees.
    ([B]You just crippled yourself, idiot./B]).

    1. http://quran.com/16/69
    -Basically the verse states that the "Lord" gives you wisdom.(more indoctrination = good!)

    2. http://quran.com/22/46
    -Those who do not believe in Islam are ignorant.(blinded).

    3. http://quran.com/2/164
    -Allah did these things, only non-ignorant people can see that

    4. http://quran.com/7/176
    -More "whoever doesn't follow Islam is ignorant"

    5. http://quran.com/7/184
    -Muhammed is the prophet, clearly! "Just think about it!" No other argument needed!

    6. http://quran.com/59/21
    -Mankind should learn from Islam.(I agree, "what not to do" is always helpful).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post




    Implied QQ about me bullying you.



    What did I take literally that you did not mean to be? You gave no examples and did not quote me. If your response is simply "reread what I said" i'll just refer you to do the same, except add "don't be an idiot by not clarifying"

    The point isn't that the Quran justifies murder or not(it surely does), but that you said "just do what you think is right".
    (No! What I think is right could be anything!, why the fuck would you ever say that?! )






    What is moral(good) about "no sex before marriage"?
    -All I see is an assertion that they do, no argument for it.


    Let me stop you right there.
    Atheism has no dogma nor set of beliefs. It's simply the lack of a belief in god. You utter retard.





    O_O

    So basically, without Islam you'd just go around killing people, is that correct?


    I didn't realize your morality was so paper thin robin, but I can't say I'm surprised.


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    Robin, why do you quote the Quran? You've clearly never actually read it.
    (i'm citing the quotes in-context and explaining how stupid they make you look).


    This is because you are arguing the Quran promotes reason, when the quotes you listed are straight up indoctrination tactics of "whoever doesn't follow the quran is stupid hurr durr". I mean holy fuck, you just shot yourself in the foot and bullet travelled straight to your knees.
    (You just crippled yourself, idiot./B]).

    1. http://quran.com/16/69
    -Basically the verse states that the "Lord" gives you wisdom.(more indoctrination = good!)

    2. http://quran.com/22/46
    -Those who do not believe in Islam are ignorant.(blinded).

    3. http://quran.com/2/164
    -Allah did these things, only non-ignorant people can see that

    4. http://quran.com/7/176
    -More "whoever doesn't follow Islam is ignorant"

    5. http://quran.com/7/184
    -Muhammed is the prophet, clearly! "Just think about it!" No other argument needed!

    6. http://quran.com/59/21
    -Mankind should learn from Islam.(I agree, "what not to do" is always helpful).


    Again, dumb point about Islam.

    The Quran preaches that taking an innocent life is equal to taking out all of humanity. Same as saving a life, is like saving all of humanity. The only thing it says about murder is kill someone for the right cause.

    For example, if someone was about trying to kill someone with a gun, and you shoot and kill him, saving the other person's life, to Muslims, that's not wrong.

    You may say religious people are blinded. But you're the real blinded one here, just full of ignorance and no empathy for people who think different than you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSpankYourGirl View Post

    The Quran preaches that taking an innocent life is equal to taking out all of humanity. Same as saving a life, is like saving all of humanity.
    :/ Yet muhammed killed people on the battlefield, started and carried out a war, and in the quran it gives clear justification for war.

    What you posted would be contradictory to the actions and what the rest of the quran said, so it's not somehow more valid because you want to use special pleading.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrSpankYourGirl View Post
    The only thing it says about murder is kill someone for the right cause.

    For example, if someone was about trying to kill someone with a gun, and you shoot and kill him, saving the other person's life, to Muslims, that's not wrong.
    *sigh*, you make up a scenario and act like it proves something, it doesn't. Watch:

    Islam has verses that approve of violence outright.
    Islam has verses that approve of violence if it's in self defense.
    Islam has verses that do not approve of violence.

    Now, regardless if you were to argue that one outweighs the other(they don't, only contradict), a religion about peace would never approve of violence.

    A smart religion would disapprove of violence and murder throughout, not just in times of peace.
    A smart religion would never try and justify holy war.

    :/ Basically all you are doing is saying "because X peaceful verse exist, we ignore the others" and that's why Muslims can become terrorist easily, because there is a large enough population that doesn't ignore the others, that uses the entire quran.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSpankYourGirl View Post
    You may say religious people are blinded. But you're the real blinded one here, just full of ignorance and no empathy for people who think different than you.
    O_O

    Would you stop crying about how people in the debate section aren't accepting of the other side?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post

    :/ Yet muhammed killed people on the battlefield, started and carried out a war, and in the quran it gives clear justification for war.

    What you posted would be contradictory to the actions and what the rest of the quran said, so it's not somehow more valid because you want to use special pleading.



    *sigh*, you make up a scenario and act like it proves something, it doesn't. Watch:

    Islam has verses that approve of violence outright.
    Islam has verses that approve of violence if it's in self defense.
    Islam has verses that do not approve of violence.

    Now, regardless if you were to argue that one outweighs the other(they don't, only contradict), a religion about peace would never approve of violence.

    A smart religion would disapprove of violence and murder throughout, not just in times of peace.
    A smart religion would never try and justify holy war.

    :/ Basically all you are doing is saying "because X peaceful verse exist, we ignore the others" and that's why Muslims can become terrorist easily, because there is a large enough population that doesn't ignore the others, that uses the entire quran.
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    O_O

    Would you stop crying about how people in the debate section aren't accepting of the other side?
    No one is crying about no shit bro, I'm not saying fucking be Muslim or believe in God, I'm saying stop talking like they're the fucking better person because of what you are. Yeah, go ahead and debate the topic, but don't be a douche about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSpankYourGirl View Post
    I'm saying stop talking like they're the fucking better person because of what you are.
    :/ you keep crying that someone thinks their position is superior, it's going to happen in any debate.

    Seriously, gtfo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    :/ you keep crying that someone thinks their position is superior, it's going to happen in any debate.

    Seriously, gtfo.
    Firstly, don't tell me to gtfo, I am free to post if I like lol...

    Secondly, you call it a debate but it really isn't. It's like, Intel VS AMD, there's is no "better product" each is better in it's own way, but they're both good. Same with religion, you have your view and I have my view. You can try to prove me wrong, and I can do the same. But "I'm better, that's final" isn't a debate, that's ignorance and stupidity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSpankYourGirl View Post


    Firstly, don't tell me to gtfo, I am free to post if I like lol...
    Then stop crying.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrSpankYourGirl View Post
    . It's like, Intel VS AMD, there's is no "better product" each is better in it's own way, but they're both good.
    Comparing religion (which is a belief) to electronics is utterly retarded.

    Electronics outperform each other, clearly. You can actually say "this card X is 20% better than this other card Y".


    Quote Originally Posted by MrSpankYourGirl View Post
    But "I'm better, that's final" isn't a debate, that's ignorance and stupidity.
    O_O

    Nobody said that. Everybody here has been debating more or less..........



    Except you. All you've done is whine and cry.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post
    Islam has verses that approve of violence outright.
    Islam has verses that approve of violence if it's in self defense.
    Islam has verses that do not approve of violence.
    Gimme some, I'm gonna discuss with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frought View Post
    Gimme some, I'm gonna discuss with you.
    of violence? self defense? or non-violence?

    Because there is a decent amount on each.


    (Though I personally don't feel it's worth the time linking, then arguing about translation, and such. It always ends up with the Muslim side going "you just need to believe" or "you just need to read it in Arabic" or some nonsense)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    of violence? self defense? or non-violence?

    Because there is a decent amount on each.


    (Though I personally don't feel it's worth the time linking, then arguing about translation, and such. It always ends up with the Muslim side going "you just need to believe" or "you just need to read it in Arabic" or some nonsense)
    No, I won't just say this shit.
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    Islamic State Iraq Syria ?
    Your right but it's Islamic State Iraq and Syria.

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