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    Do we exist?

    Completely serious question. How can we know that we actually exist?
    "We swallow greedily any lie that flatters us, but we sip only little by little at a truth we find bitter." ~ Denis Diderot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paroxysm View Post
    Completely serious question. How can we know that we actually exist?
    I think, therefore, I am.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield View Post
    I am the tyranny of evil men, and you are all the weak. But i'm trying Ringo,i'm trying real hard, to become the shepherd.
    excuse me miss, would you kindly reflect some photons off the epidermis covering your sternum directly into the camera iris or vacate the proximity immediately










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    Cognition via a faulty brain proves existence? Also, how can we know our perception of reality is accurate?

    (I should mention this isn't a debate, just an explorative discussion)
    "We swallow greedily any lie that flatters us, but we sip only little by little at a truth we find bitter." ~ Denis Diderot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paroxysm View Post
    Cognition via a faulty brain proves existence? Also, how can we know our perception of reality is accurate?

    (I should mention this isn't a debate, just an explorative discussion)
    Reality is as we perceive it. For all we know, what we describe as "individuality" could all just be a hallucination you or a greater being may be having. So regardless if you see pink and purple elephants, or you see the normal world, it will be as you see it. So like, i'm hitting this bowl. I know i'm hitting a bowl. I know that if I inhale it, i'm gonna get high. But I also know, that if I hit the bowl, it isn't going to turn into a 16 foot tall giraffe. But should that happen, it would be my screwed up perception of reality.

    Existence is what YOU make of it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield View Post
    I am the tyranny of evil men, and you are all the weak. But i'm trying Ringo,i'm trying real hard, to become the shepherd.
    excuse me miss, would you kindly reflect some photons off the epidermis covering your sternum directly into the camera iris or vacate the proximity immediately










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    I thought of this before what if life is just your dream your the only real human theres not really a way to tell...
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    Well, that's a good question. I guess we are all just matter. Or dark matter.

    Lol jk.
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    Well. I thought this for a bit. But then There is a couple reasons:
    1. I wouldnt be Christian then.
    2.Its not like were a video game.
    3. We do what we want. Would a video game player make me type this?

    really. Take time to think.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovecookies View Post
    Reality is as we perceive it. For all we know, what we describe as "individuality" could all just be a hallucination you or a greater being may be having. So regardless if you see pink and purple elephants, or you see the normal world, it will be as you see it. So like, i'm hitting this bowl. I know i'm hitting a bowl. I know that if I inhale it, i'm gonna get high. But I also know, that if I hit the bowl, it isn't going to turn into a 16 foot tall giraffe. But should that happen, it would be my screwed up perception of reality.

    Existence is what YOU make of it.
    Are you implying reality is contingent on human observation?


    Quote Originally Posted by Coder Never View Post
    I thought of this before what if life is just your dream your the only real human theres not really a way to tell...
    *Shakes You* WAKE UP MOTHER FUCKER!

    Quote Originally Posted by 123rune20 View Post
    Well, that's a good question. I guess we are all just matter. Or dark matter.

    Lol jk.
    "We're Star stuff contemplating the stars"
    ~ Carl Sagan

    Quote Originally Posted by L3G0 View Post
    Well. I thought this for a bit. But then There is a couple reasons:
    1. I wouldnt be Christian then.
    2. Its not like were a video game.
    3. We do what we want. Would a video game player make me type this?

    really. Take time to think.
    A really sick and twisted video game designer would.
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    Why would you ask yourself this? Just live the life you have even if it sucks.

    BTW if you see yourself in a mirror you do exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paroxysm View Post
    Are you implying reality is contingent on human observation?




    *Shakes You* WAKE UP MOTHER FUCKER!



    "We're Star stuff contemplating the stars"
    ~ Carl Sagan



    A really sick and twisted video game designer would.
    That's exactly what i'm implying! Whether we actually exist or not is not for us to debate, it just is. Now actually KNOWING this answer would be actually answering the questions physicists have been asking since the 50's-60's. What came before the big bang?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jules Winnfield View Post
    I am the tyranny of evil men, and you are all the weak. But i'm trying Ringo,i'm trying real hard, to become the shepherd.
    excuse me miss, would you kindly reflect some photons off the epidermis covering your sternum directly into the camera iris or vacate the proximity immediately










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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovecookies View Post
    That's exactly what i'm implying! Whether we actually exist or not is not for us to debate, it just is. Now actually KNOWING this answer would be actually answering the questions physicists have been asking since the 50's-60's. What came before the big bang?
    Hold up, how did you go from a metaphysical discuss to the big bang?
    How does know that question, answer the origin of the cosmos?
    Reality stands in and of itself, we experience reality, reality isn't subject to us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paroxysm View Post
    Hold up, how did you go from a metaphysical discuss to the big bang?
    How does know that question, answer the origin of the cosmos?
    Reality stands in and of itself, we experience reality, reality isn't subject to us.
    We exist because Jesus says so. I dunno, rofl.
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    You argue perspective flawing existiential evidence, yet perspective itself is proof we exist. One's own reality is only possible because of a standard reality. Einstein already proved the universe exists in his relativity theories. Although, I think therefore I am, should cover it unless you're just overthinking it. In fact, if we further debate this (actually on topic) it'd be a boring display of what-if's and kiddo arguments. New subject sir!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toymaker View Post
    You argue perspective flawing existiential evidence, yet perspective itself is proof we exist. One's own reality is only possible because of a standard reality. Einstein already proved the universe exists in his relativity theories. Although, I think therefore I am, should cover it unless you're just overthinking it. In fact, if we further debate this (actually on topic) it'd be a boring display of what-if's and kiddo arguments. New subject sir!
    This thread is for the people who like to make references to the matrix, not for logic. I'm kind of surprised it took this long for someone to notice that, I guess I was expecting too much from MPGH.
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