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    Noone would believe in god if there wasnt some man made book writing about it.

    the human brain couldnt imagine a magical man in the sky moving around arcs in a massive flood part of the creation of the world he lives in.

    starwars is more scientifically accurate than the fucking bible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    Define faith.......
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    1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something.

    ooh I like this next one!

    2. strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    This is called an "argument from ignorance" in modern terminology, more appropriately "God of the Gaps".

    What happens is a person does not know what caused what. So they implement a god or "the god" as an explanation.



    Actually for now, just define faith.



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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyDuhAwesome View Post
    In a debate about faith it's hard not to use faith as an argument. I have a reason I just don't have physical evidence I can give to you that would be of any effect to you.
    Quote Originally Posted by AndyDuhAwesome View Post
    2. strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
    So again, your strong belief not based on proof/reason is not an argument.

    Just because you strongly believe it, does not make it true.


    You have not provided any reason for why we should believe in a god.

    You lose, good day sir.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post



    So again, your strong belief not based on proof/reason is not an argument.

    Just because you strongly believe it, does not make it true.


    You have not provided any reason for why we should believe in a god.

    You lose, good day sir.
    Ok, I'll give you a reason to believe in a God. Most Gods promise a pleasant afterlife which gives you an answer to something that is otherwise unanswerable. Gods often give you a moral compass of sorts, which you have full freedom to follow or not follow. Many religions have bibles, which often give an in depth understanding of certain aspects of life, which you can interpret in any way you like.

    Those sound like good reasons to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    Ok. Why do you believe in God?
    I have a question, when you think of the word god what comes to your mind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyDuhAwesome View Post
    otherwise unanswerable
    When we die its like any other animal or plant that dies

    bacteria comes and eats you. thats about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyDuhAwesome View Post
    Ok, I'll give you a reason to believe in a God. Most Gods promise a pleasant afterlife which gives you an answer to something that is otherwise unanswerable. Gods often give you a moral compass of sorts, which you have full freedom to follow or not follow. Many religions have bibles, which often give an in depth understanding of certain aspects of life, which you can interpret in any way you like.

    Those sound like good reasons to me.
    The promise of an afterlife is dishonest. If nothing supports the claim, the claim is not true.
    -provide reasoning otherwise
    There is nothing to indicate a god gives us morality. There is everything to indicate our morality coming from natural processes.
    -provide reasoning otherwise

    If the bible is up to interpretation, it is therefore not an objective piece of understanding but merely taking what you want from the text.
    -I could say the same thing about Shakespeare or any literary work for that matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    I have a question, when you think of the word god what comes to your mind?
    A god = deity of control or creation of something. Example: Zeus, Hades, Thor, Odin, etc. etc.
    [Note] This is a concept, not a fact. Zeus does not cast lightning bolts from the sky.

    God = the abrahamic religion's god. Generally when it's "God" it's christian, as jews refer to it as Yawheh and muslims Allah.


    I believe it was quite clear we are talking about the gods of religion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jew View Post

    When we die its like any other animal or plant that dies

    bacteria comes and eats you. thats about it
    What does bacteria have to do with the afterlife?

    Also to Empire, Religion encourages positive morals... there's lots of cases where religion gave someone reason to be a good person in general, and no proof doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong, just means it's belief is based on FAITH!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyDuhAwesome View Post
    What does bacteria have to do with the afterlife?

    Also to Empire, Religion encourages positive morals... there's lots of cases where religion gave someone reason to be a good person in general, and no proof doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong, just means it's belief is based on FAITH!
    it means thats it.

    you are dead.

    we are just like an apple getting eaten or cut up. its "soul" also doesnt leave for the afterlife right? we are made from the same shit as apples.

    ADDITIONALLY

    religion does NOT encourage positive morals because it works in an oppressive system that gives horrible instructions and laws to people

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyDuhAwesome View Post
    Also to Empire, Religion encourages positive morals... there's lots of cases where religion gave someone reason to be a good person in general, and no proof doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong, just means it's belief is based on FAITH!

    Well here's a deeper question for you: Why should we use faith for anything?

    [Explanation:] You keep saying "it's based on faith" but you have not explained why faith is a sufficient reason to follow or believe in a religion.

    Also, religion influencing people can be good or bad. Traditional education on morality is far more effective than the scare-tactics behind religion.



    Again, and I can't stress this enough. Saying "it's based on faith" is not a positive argument for religion.


    I can give you any number of reasons why faith is wrong, but I'd rather have you explain why you think faith is a good system for believing in anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Levi. View Post
    For most people it gives them hope in times of desperation and pretty much when they have nothing else to lean on.

    Ayy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
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    Ayy.
    Ah I missed this one, it's pretty good though.


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    Religion gives people faith and hope I dont think its pointless because its definately played an importance in history

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