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    We never said Islam is Isis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xarnix View Post
    That is not a solution to my given question. It's pretty fucking clear Muhammad led an offensive war, take a look at a history book and not an ancient religious text and you'll see he wasn't a benevolent defender, he was a conqueror.



    Using ad hominem and extremely random quotes from the Quran that had nothing to do with what I had addressed is not going to get you anywhere.
    Actually you got shit really fucked up i dont know why .. anyways Muhammad was defensev at the first , after many of muslims died as i said earlier god gave them the order to immigrate they lived alone untill they grouped together and made a strong community .every war was started by the Non-muslims not muslims . they always kept attacking . non-muslims were not peaceful . they wanted death to all muslims and muslims had to fight back since it was a really critical moment . if they were able to kill the few muslims at that time islam wouldnt be here today so they had to defend islam and spread it IN PEACEFUL ways no one was forced to be a muslim.
    just like now . i dont actually give a single fuck if you believed in god or not , i dont give a fuck if you liked islam or not ! as long as you respect me and treat me well ( same goes for you ) i wont be bothered . you are free to think whatever you want about any religion you want ^_^.
    about the ''random quotes '' they werent actually random they all had a point which is we dont care what religion you go after we will still live with you as long as you dont harm us .


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    We never said Islam is Isis
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingofproz View Post
    .every war was started by the Non-muslims not muslims
    Battle of Oho’d, Battle of Bad’r, Battle of Khayber,
    Really.

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/mu...lf-defense.htm
    Also please stop using red colored text, it's a pain to read.
    Quote Originally Posted by kingofproz View Post
    non-muslims were not peaceful . they wanted death to all muslims and muslims had to fight back since it was a really critical moment
    cite this without a completely muslim-biased religious site/ancient text.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingofproz View Post
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    Actually you got shit really fucked up i dont know why .. anyways Muhammad was defensev at the first


    Muhammad raided caravans, killing the drivers.

    "self defense" my ass.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mohamed2000 View Post
    More people show up to a see soccer games... What the fuck is your point? Your entire religion is just pointless hope for the poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    Muhammad raided caravans, killing the drivers.

    "self defense" my ass.
    ''As Quraysh had confiscated the property of Muslim Muhajirs residing in Madina, it was only appropriate that the Muslims should also confiscate their merchandise and if they persisted in withholding the property of the Muhajir Muslims on account of their enmity and obstinacy, the Muslims should, as a retaliatory measure, divide their merchandise amongst themselves as war booty.''


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    Quote Originally Posted by Xarnix View Post
    Battle of Oho’d, Battle of Bad’r, Battle of Khayber,
    Really.

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/mu...lf-defense.htm
    Also please stop using red colored text, it's a pain to read.

    cite this without a completely muslim-biased religious site/ancient text.
    Sorry for the red color ,
    As for Battle of ohud :
    ''the Meccans desired to avenge their losses at Badr and strike back at Muhammad and his followers. The Muslims readied for war soon afterwards and the two armies fought on the slopes and plains of Mount Uhud.''
    Wikipedia link : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Uhud

    as for the battle of bad'r :
    ''the Makkans decided on a major invasion of Madeenah, which resulted in the Battle of Badr''

    Link : http://www.ayubhamid.com/reflections/seerah/316-what-caused-the-battle-of-badr

    as for battle of khaybar:

    '' the Jews of Khaybar were willing to spend their wealth in pursuit of stirring agitation from the neighbouring Arab tribes to wage war against the Prophet . At the time when the expedition to Khaybar was undertaken, the Jews of the place were in league with the tribe of Ghatfan with whom they were hatching up an agreed plot against the Muslims.''

    Link : http://www.a2youth.com/articles/history_and_biographies/the_battle_of_khaybar/

    i dont know why we keep looking into history and never look forward to a future where my kids and yours would live peacefully without noticing others religion and color and things like that . why dont we just say fuck it all and lets live our lives ?


    Again sorry for the red color and for my bad english , i might have understood somethings in a wrong way !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuba View Post
    ISIS = Islam.
    uhmmm .. no , since i am a muslim that lives in syria and fights isis .

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingofproz View Post

    uhmmm .. no , since i am a muslim that lives in syria and fights isis .
    I S I S = Islam iSlam Islam iSlam


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    Quote Originally Posted by kingofproz View Post
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    ''As Quraysh had confiscated the property of Muslim Muhajirs residing in Madina, it was only appropriate that the Muslims should also confiscate their merchandise and if they persisted in withholding the property of the Muhajir Muslims on account of their enmity and obstinacy, the Muslims should, as a retaliatory measure, divide their merchandise amongst themselves as war booty.''

    They murdered innocent people, stole w/e goods they had, and then the city they were working for retaliated. This was of course, after many attempts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caravan_raids

    None of this had to do with "retaliation" as Muhammad tried to raid several different people several times.


    Sorry, you lose.

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    The permission to fight was given in many stages during Muhammad's prophetic mission:
    At first, the Muslims were only allowed to fight the Meccan Quraysh, because they were the first to oppress the Muslims in Mecca. Muslims were allowed to seize their goods, but not those tribes which the Muhammad made a treaty with.
    Then Muhammad and the Muslims were allowed to fight pagan tribes that allied with the Quraysh.
    Then Muhammad and the Muslims were allowed to fight the Jewish tribes of Medina, when these tribes violated the Constitution of Medina and their pact with the Muslims.
    Subsequently, Muhammad and the Muslims were allowed to fight the "People of the Book" (Christian and Jews). If the People of the Book paid a poll tax (jizya), then the Muslims were forbidden to fight them.
    Muslims were required to make peace with any polytheist, Jews or Christians who embraced Islam, and were required to embrace them as fellow Muslims.[51]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    They murdered innocent people, stole w/e goods they had, and then the city they were working for retaliated. This was of course, after many attempts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caravan_raids

    None of this had to do with "retaliation" as Muhammad tried to raid several different people several times.


    Sorry, you lose.

    [Oh and]
    The permission to fight was given in many stages during Muhammad's prophetic mission:
    At first, the Muslims were only allowed to fight the Meccan Quraysh, because they were the first to oppress the Muslims in Mecca. Muslims were allowed to seize their goods, but not those tribes which the Muhammad made a treaty with.
    Then Muhammad and the Muslims were allowed to fight pagan tribes that allied with the Quraysh.
    Then Muhammad and the Muslims were allowed to fight the Jewish tribes of Medina, when these tribes violated the Constitution of Medina and their pact with the Muslims.
    Subsequently, Muhammad and the Muslims were allowed to fight the "People of the Book" (Christian and Jews). If the People of the Book paid a poll tax (jizya), then the Muslims were forbidden to fight them.
    Muslims were required to make peace with any polytheist, Jews or Christians who embraced Islam, and were required to embrace them as fellow Muslims.[51]
    i dont know why all that hate ? its even making you blind to the simplest facts :
    Quraish took there property muslims took it back , they didnt kill any single innocent guy , muslims are only allowed to fight those who fight them and there was no '' Several tries '' . i am really sorry but i honestly dont care what do you think about islam nor muslims but i do respect your opinion
    ^_^
    PS : i never lose :P


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    Islam = ISIS

    You're entire religion is a joke that's killed more people than almost anything else ever invented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunatic View Post
    More people show up to a see soccer games... What the fuck is your point? Your entire religion is just pointless hope for the poor.
    Have you ever been to a soccer stadium? The highest capacity stadiums are around 100,000 maximum.

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    Islam = ISIS

    You're entire religion is a joke that's killed more people than almost anything else ever invented.
    How can a religion kill? Is a religion a person to kill someone? You Americans are a joke to the world. You are the most hated country and are stereotyped as being stupid. Americans have killed more people than anything else. America supplies most of the worlds weapons out of any country.

    Donald Trump is actually a potential candidate for being the president. USA is a complete joke.
    Science is learning about the creation, Islam is learning about the creator.

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    This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah(God) - 2:2 Quran
    Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them, - 2:3 Quran
    And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith]. - 2:4 Quran
    Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. - 2:5 Quran
    Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. - 2:6 Quran

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingofproz View Post
    [SIZE="2"]Quraish took there property muslims took it back , they didnt kill any single innocent guy
    They did though.
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/mu...d-caravans.htm
    Quote Originally Posted by kingofproz View Post
    [SIZE="2"] muslims are only allowed to fight those who fight them and there was no '' Several tries '' .
    ^_^
    There was an attempted 5+ raids before Muhammad actually stole anything. I just linked you that.

    And Muslims have a very broad definition of "he struck first", especially with instanced to this caravan raid.


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