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    Have you ever been to a soccer stadium? The highest capacity stadiums are around 100,000 maximum.

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    How can a religion kill? Is a religion a person to kill someone? You Americans are a joke to the world. You are the most hated country and are stereotyped as being stupid. Americans have killed more people than anything else. America supplies most of the worlds weapons out of any country.

    Donald Trump is actually a potential candidate for being the president. USA is a complete joke.
    Mhm and where you live everything is perfect and makes sense right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post

    They did though.
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/mu...d-caravans.htm

    There was an attempted 5+ raids before Muhammad actually stole anything. I just linked you that.

    And Muslims have a very broad definition of "he struck first", especially with instanced to this caravan raid.
    The thing is you give me sources from that website always and i give you sources from another website .. its a loop in here XD Anyways Check this link
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuba View Post
    I S I S = Islam iSlam Islam iSlam
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter's Panda. View Post
    Hahahhahaha
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    Islam has some good points
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    You misunderstood what I wrote, i s i s = i s l a m


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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuba View Post

    You misunderstood what I wrote, i s i s = i s l a m
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter's Panda. View Post
    Oh.
    Now i understood lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xarnix View Post
    When the fuck did we say they were ISIS.
    This has to be most fucking retarded post I've seen in awhile.
    Quran 8:12.

    Quran 9:5

    Start reading your own religious text before you post stupid shit like this.
    In the Quran it says that those people who kill someone innocent: http://www.justaskislam.com/32/does-...-the-infidels/

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingofproz View Post

    The thing is you give me sources from that website always and i give you sources from another website .. its a loop in here XD Anyways Check this link
    http://www.muhammadfactcheck.org/?mu...cent-merchants
    The reason Muhammad had to leave Mecca was pretty obvious, he denounced the population's god, in public(repeatedly). That was against customs and even against current Islamic customs. You. can't. do. that. and think you're going to get away with it.


    "Prophet Muhammad forbade plunder of any sort"
    >Except when he took war booty.


    Alright there is a whole bunch of dancing in that link so let me just cut to the chase.
    "The reason being that firstly, these caravans would spark a fire of enmity against the Muslims wherever they travelled. - See more at: http://www.muhammadfactcheck.org/?muhammad=6-prophet-muhammad-launched-raids-on-innocent-merchants#sthash.JHPNEGUY.dpuf"
    > Wow, so caravans traveling = "opposition" Look at that logic everybody.


    "Secondly, these caravans would always be armed and everyone can appreciate that for such caravans to pass by so close to Madīnah was not empty of danger. Thirdly, the livelihood of the Quraish primarily depended on trade. Therefore, in these circumstances, the most definitive and effective means by which the Quraish could be subdued, their cruelties could be put to an end and they could be pressed to reconciliation, was by obstructing their trade route. - See more at: http://www.muhammadfactcheck.org/?muhammad=6-prophet-muhammad-launched-raids-on-innocent-merchants#sthash.JHPNEGUY.dpuf"

    Look at that. Muhammad started a war. His justification "these people oppressed us".

    Pfft. So he started a war, with another city's army, looting various cities on the way there, and then here we sit today, where you try and justify him starting this war with "oh we only want peace" verses from the quran.



    What utter bullshit.

    This:

    "Fourthly, the revenue from these caravans of the Quraish was mostly spent in efforts to eliminate Islām. Rather, some caravans were even sent for the sole purpose that their entire profit may be utilized against the Muslims. In this case, every individual can understand that the interception of these caravans, was in its own right, an absolutely legitimate motive. - See more at: http://www.muhammadfactcheck.org/?muhammad=6-prophet-muhammad-launched-raids-on-innocent-merchants#sthash.JHPNEGUY.dpuf"
    Is just more blatant lies.

    These people of a city who depend on trade, spend all of that money to "eliminate Islam" which doesn't exist in the city anymore since Muhammad left. They aren't planning a military raid, they aren't doing anything but resuming business as usual. But "oh no, they were spending that money on persecuting muslims"

    That's just bullshit. It's blatant propaganda.



    But here we are, thousand+ of years later with some idiot believing that Muhammad was still in the right to conduct a raid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    The reason Muhammad had to leave Mecca was pretty obvious, he denounced the population's god, in public(repeatedly). That was against customs and even against current Islamic customs. You. can't. do. that. and think you're going to get away with it.


    "Prophet Muhammad forbade plunder of any sort"
    >Except when he took war booty.


    Alright there is a whole bunch of dancing in that link so let me just cut to the chase.

    > Wow, so caravans traveling = "opposition" Look at that logic everybody.





    Look at that. Muhammad started a war. His justification "these people oppressed us".

    Pfft. So he started a war, with another city's army, looting various cities on the way there, and then here we sit today, where you try and justify him starting this war with "oh we only want peace" verses from the quran.



    What utter bullshit.

    This:


    Is just more blatant lies.

    These people of a city who depend on trade, spend all of that money to "eliminate Islam" which doesn't exist in the city anymore since Muhammad left. They aren't planning a military raid, they aren't doing anything but resuming business as usual. But "oh no, they were spending that money on persecuting muslims"

    That's just bullshit. It's blatant propaganda.



    But here we are, thousand+ of years later with some idiot believing that Muhammad was still in the right to conduct a raid.
    So every other person that says something different than your opinion is bullshit and blatant propganda ? no one on this earth can ever prove what happened that time .. since i am a muslim i relay on Quran telling me what happened not some kind of website on the internet mate . but let me ask you something .. if you were person X and some other dude was named Y .. the Y dude kept Fucking you . you left the city , person Y waged war against you and wanted to terminate you and stole your property that you left on your main land . you wont accept getting fucked anymore right ? you would go and fuck person Y untill he fucks off . that is the whole story whatever happened to meccans . they deserved it , muslims were being tortured and killed its there right to stand up against them
    you just need to chill , we arent fighting or anything ^_^ take it easy .

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    ISIS looks like Islam perceived incorrectly to me. Everyone has different views on what they see and often create different conclusions so meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingofproz View Post
    i relay on Quran telling me what happened not some kind of website on the internet mate .
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    Nope, really, if you truly read and understood the Quran you wouldn't be so jumpy to defend it and say that there's no violence/violence does not originate in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xarnix View Post




    Nope, really, if you truly read and understood the Quran you wouldn't be so jumpy to defend it and say that there's no violence/violence does not originate in it.

    If you want to communicate with someone you have to use there way of speech .. he liked to give links so i gave him a link then told him that i dont actually trust those links btw i knew you were gonna reply to this :P
    Humm .. i did read the quran quite well . there is violence against people who start the violence acts nothing else ^_^ , but the thing is i dont think you read the whole of it ? as its kinda comes together when you read all of it not just parts .sorry for the red font i edited it ^_^
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingofproz View Post

    So every other person that says something different than your opinion is bullshit and blatant propganda ?

    No, making a claim that they were using all their money from the trade routes that the city is founded upon to "persecute muslims" is propaganda.

    There is no evidence of this. And to say that something without evidence should be considered Muhammad's justification is bullshit.
    (Nice try tho).

    Quote Originally Posted by kingofproz View Post
    since i am a muslim i relay on Quran telling me what happened not some kind of website on the internet mate
    >You just cited a website and then back down when I tear it to pieces.......


    Quote Originally Posted by kingofproz View Post
    if you were person X and some other dude was named Y .. the Y dude kept Fucking you . you left the city , person Y waged war against you and wanted to terminate you and stole your property that you left on your main land . you wont accept getting fucked anymore right ? take it easy .
    Muhammad started the war. How the fuck do you not understand what they did was retaliation because Muhammad was raiding the caravans that were the lifeblood of that city?

    It's so simple.
    >Muhammad denounced the local god
    >The people got pissed
    >Muhammad fled.
    >Muhammad knew the caravan routes because his wife owned most of them
    >Muhammad planned a raid
    >Muhammad after failing 5+ times, finally raided the caravans
    >Mecca wasn't having any of that shit, they tried to raid Medina.
    >Muhammad then used that as justification for war, the one he started.


    It would be like if Japan bombed Pearl Harbor then acted like they were the victims.

    No. You don't get to do get away with that here.



    Quote Originally Posted by kingofproz View Post
    that is the whole story whatever happened to meccans . they deserved it , muslims were being tortured and killed its there right to stand up against them

    Except they weren't. They were facing the exact same punishment Islam bestows upon those who don't follow their religion or don't pay the tax.

    Even NOW you can go into mecca, start denouncing Islam and get the EXACT same treatment you claim muslims got.

    Because you know that you don't do that. You know that even if you have the right to free speech, you don't go out in the street denouncing everyone's god to them and not expect consequences.


    It's so utterly ironic that Muslims will claim persecution for the exact same things they give death threats for.


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