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    Argument with an ignorant Christian.

    So I was recently perusing youtube when I came across a story of a 3 year old boy who was born deaf.
    His hearing was then fully restored thanks to brand new audial technology.
    Enter the ignorant Christians:

    TheSR28
    God is So Awesome.. Giving Mankind Wisdom And Knowledge ....Threw Him . Please Never Forget The Source...


    SSShino
    science, not religion.  the doctors, not god.

    TheSR28
    God did everything. End of story.

    rachm1991
    I understand you're a religious person, but, how the hell did God make this technology? The doctors and scientists were the ones who've made it work for this little boy.

    TheSR28
    God is the one who put the doctors and scientists on this earth and gave them the intelligence to know what to do. That's how God did it. Go ahead and praise the doctors and scientists, but they are not going to be the ones who save you from Hell if you keep going against God and saying man did everything.

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    So if god is the cause for everything, would he not be responsible for the boy being deaf in the first place? I love how you Christians state that god is all powerful, yet then cherry pick what he's responsible for. Which usually encompasses all the positive things in the world, yet you never hold him responsible for all the atrocities that occur.

    TheSR28
    Because of the sin of the first man. Since He disobeyed God, he put us all at risk of going to Hell. Everybody sins. It's all God's plan. You will see on judgement day.

    Aborted
    "It's all God's plan"
    >Makes people sin.
    >Punishes them for it.
    >God is an asshole.

    craftingcolors69
    It is so that they learn from their mistakes.

    Aborted
    If it's all "God's plan" it wouldn't be their mistakes, it would be his.
    Do you not see the blatant contradictions within this doctrine?

    craftingcolors69
    Life is learning from you mistakes, and taking action. Not just sitting around. Do you get what I am trying to say now?

    Aborted
    No, not at all as it is entirely illogical.
    So what we have is:
    >God makes us sin.
    >God punishes us for that sin.
    How would being punished for an action that is beyond your control
    actually teach you anything. Learning from mistakes would entail that there is an actual active repercussion, such as prison-time. In the case of sin and punishment, there is no such thing, therefore it accomplishes nothing. Would it not be more logical for God to simply instill perfect morality in us all?

    Person agrees with me and asks how the Christians will respond.

    Aborted

    They'll usually respond with some contrived excerpt from the Bible about sin and how he allows some things to occur due to "Adam and Eve". Though the statement in itself is entirely contradictory to the Christian doctrine that all events occur in correlation with "God's plan". This would entail that god was the active driving force behind the Holocaust and such similar tragedies, which almost all but nullifies the long-held belief that he is some divine being of benevolence.


















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    When the earth is changed into a humid dungeon,
    In which Hope like a bat
    Goes beating the walls with her timid wings
    And knocking her head against the rotten ceiling;
    When the rain stretching out its endless train
    Imitates the bars of a vast prison
    And a silent horde of loathsome spiders
    Comes to spin their webs in the depths of our brains,
    All at once the bells leap with rage
    And hurl a frightful roar at heaven,
    Even as wandering spirits with no country
    Burst into a stubborn, whimpering cry.
    — And without drums or music, long hearses
    Pass by slowly in my soul; Hope, vanquished,
    Weeps, and atrocious, despotic Anguish
    On my bowed skull plants her black flag.

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    The person you were arguing was simply a moron who has never even read the Bible. They made it clear when they used "threw" instead of "through".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Imagine if Youtube comments and Yahoo Answers had a baby.

    #Twitter ​.
    When the earth is changed into a humid dungeon,
    In which Hope like a bat
    Goes beating the walls with her timid wings
    And knocking her head against the rotten ceiling;
    When the rain stretching out its endless train
    Imitates the bars of a vast prison
    And a silent horde of loathsome spiders
    Comes to spin their webs in the depths of our brains,
    All at once the bells leap with rage
    And hurl a frightful roar at heaven,
    Even as wandering spirits with no country
    Burst into a stubborn, whimpering cry.
    — And without drums or music, long hearses
    Pass by slowly in my soul; Hope, vanquished,
    Weeps, and atrocious, despotic Anguish
    On my bowed skull plants her black flag.

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    "Aborted
    So if god is the cause for everything, would he not be responsible for the boy being deaf in the first place? I love how you Christians state that god is all powerful, yet then cherry pick what he's responsible for. Which usually encompasses all the positive things in the world, yet you never hold him responsible for all the atrocities that occur.

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    Because of the sin of the first man. Since He disobeyed God, he put us all at risk of going to Hell. Everybody sins. It's all God's plan. You will see on judgement day."
    Implying being deaf is a sin
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    Enter genetics.........

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    That 3 year old definitely needed to learn from his mistakes.

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    Being a Christian, this has me made me sad I've found the balance in my religious beliefs and can definitely say that the Christian you are raging with is in fact ignorant.

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    I know this thread is on the verge of being dead, but it's people like the ignorant Christian that make me uncomfortable going to church anymore. I've pretty much stopped attending as a whole because I've met/know too many people like that.

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    The world we live is a "Test" to show whether you're worthy to enter the Kingdom of God or not. I have no problem with non-religious people but I shall continue on anyways. God tests man. If he makes your son deaf, then you say "I hate God, etc etc" God will know that you're ungrateful. If you pray etc etc, God will know you're a good person. God gave us humans freedom. He gave us freedom to choose what we want. That's why people make mistakes, God doesn't control us, he helps us to go towards him but if you don't want to, he doesn't force you, because it's a soul that he gave YOU and you can do whatever you want with it, but of course, everything comes with consequences. For the people saying "how did God make that technology" He didn't... Stop being so ignorant. Sometimes you have to look outside the box. Who made humans smart? God, they were born with those genes. By becoming smart, they went to school and chose a right path for themselves. So God didn't make that equipment, but he gave man power to. I've pretty much explained all I can. To my view, I see some weird stuff with Catholicism too, however, not everything man can know and understand, somethings just have to be hidden and are beyond our power to find out. Hopefully this clears things up and remember, You can/will never change a christian's way of acting, that's what we believe, if you don't like it, good luck.
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