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    Religion In Relationships

    Are you religious and do you really care if your partner is? I'm a Christian and my man doesn't believe in God, but it doesn't bother me at all. Yet, I was talking to my friend who got into a "conflict" with her boyfriend because he is STRONGLY? religious, and she is completely atheist. Do you think it really matters? I don't because if you really love and care for the other person I don't see how religion should come between that, (watch out for my beliefs ) I believe that everything that happens, happens for a reason, because God wants it to, so why would he match someone who is strongly Christian with an atheist if he didn't see it to be fit.
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    Relationships are built on interest, connection, and general likability.

    This applies to all levels, be it romantic, friendly, or even just "acquaintance".
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    God doesn't come into the equation. Hate to break it to you, but you aren't a special snowflake. God doesn't "match people together" on any scale, in any religion.

    People might want to interpret the text as "god cares about me and does everything for me" but he doesn't, nor should there be a higher priority on short romances versus real problems with the world.(hey, god will get around to war, famine, slavery, and all that jazz eventually.....right?).
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    But yeah, religion is pretty much as relevant as movie taste or general dislikes. If your an ass about it(either way) then it's going to conflict with the relationship.


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    I am quite sure I read a verse in bible which conveys the message that even though your husband or wife doesn't believe in God, He/she will be blessed by your belief in God.


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    I would be careful assuming that you were meant to be together etc. @kaysnd7 even if god did put you together, are you sure it was to be married? or to learn something and better your character? or did you get together for selfish reasons and weren't listening to god at all? Not trying to make any pointed statements here, just throwing out some alternatives for you to think about from a perspective of assuming god exists.

    Whatever the case may be, it will probably be an issue if one of you is serious about religion, and the other is not, or is serious about different one. You will begin to lose respect for each other over time, especially after marriage and the "chase" is over. Having kids adds even more stress on the situation, because if your two views on "right and wrong" are not nearly the same, and your priorities on how to spend the bulk of your available time are not similar, how will you add a kid into the mix when you won't even have any free time? Rather than worry about religion, I would get to the heart of the issue and talk about what you guys think is right and wrong and go from there. Like abortion, pirating movies, hacking games, being a jerk on the road, how he interacts with his parents and/or other authority (boss, professor) etc. Having those conversations will be most beneficial in the long-run, and they also don't need to be serious sit-down convos, either. Just bring it up casually. Just remember though, if you do disagree, you can't change him, period. Us guys choose to change ourselves, and you women nagging us usually make us more stubborn lol. If his moral values bother you now, it will only get worse with time, not better. If you do truly agree on that stuff, then you can move on with confidence you two probably have a pretty good shot.

    1 Corinth 7 says if you are already married and one of you converts, not to divorce. But I'm pretty sure that's not applicable if you aren't already committed to one another and are working from there. I've not heard of the verse Time is referring to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddoggy00 View Post
    I would be careful assuming that you were meant to be together etc. @kaysnd7 even if god did put you together, are you sure it was to be married? or to learn something and better your character? or did you get together for selfish reasons and weren't listening to god at all? Not trying to make any pointed statements here, just throwing out some alternatives for you to think about from a perspective of assuming god exists.

    Whatever the case may be, it will probably be an issue if one of you is serious about religion, and the other is not, or is serious about different one. You will begin to lose respect for each other over time, especially after marriage and the "chase" is over. Having kids adds even more stress on the situation, because if your two views on "right and wrong" are not nearly the same, and your priorities on how to spend the bulk of your available time are not similar, how will you add a kid into the mix when you won't even have any free time? Rather than worry about religion, I would get to the heart of the issue and talk about what you guys think is right and wrong and go from there. Like abortion, pirating movies, hacking games, being a jerk on the road, how he interacts with his parents and/or other authority (boss, professor) etc. Having those conversations will be most beneficial in the long-run, and they also don't need to be serious sit-down convos, either. Just bring it up casually. Just remember though, if you do disagree, you can't change him, period. Us guys choose to change ourselves, and you women nagging us usually make us more stubborn lol. If his moral values bother you now, it will only get worse with time, not better. If you do truly agree on that stuff, then you can move on with confidence you two probably have a pretty good shot.

    1 Corinth 7 says if you are already married and one of you converts, not to divorce. But I'm pretty sure that's not applicable if you aren't already committed to one another and are working from there. I've not heard of the verse Time is referring to.


    1 Corinthians 7:12-14

    To the rest I say (I, not the Lord) that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her. If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

    1 Corinthians 7:14-16

    For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace. For how do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?

    These two verses state that the non-believer is made holy as in blessed due to the belief of the believer in a mutual union right?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Time View Post




    1 Corinthians 7:12-14

    To the rest I say (I, not the Lord) that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her. If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

    1 Corinthians 7:14-16

    For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace. For how do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?

    These two verses state that the non-believer is made holy as in blessed due to the belief of the believer in a mutual union right?
    Not quite.
    This is in the case of one becoming a christian within an existing marriage. It does not apply to those not yet married.
    2 Corinthians 6 discusses a serious dating/escorting relationship more directly, and quite clearly says to not do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddoggy00 View Post


    Not quite.
    This is in the case of one becoming a christian within an existing marriage. It does not apply to those not yet married.
    2 Corinthians 6 discusses a serious dating/escorting relationship more directly, and quite clearly says to not do it.
    Ah seems I misunderstood it then.


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    Quote Originally Posted by maddoggy00 View Post


    Not quite.
    This is in the case of one becoming a christian within an existing marriage. It does not apply to those not yet married.
    2 Corinthians 6 discusses a serious dating/escorting relationship more directly, and quite clearly says to not do it.
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...orinthians%206

    2nd Corinthians 6: Nothing on dating/relationships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...orinthians%206

    2nd Corinthians 6: Nothing on dating/relationships.

    ????
    Verse 14. "Yolked" refers to a few types of interdependent relationships, but most specifically marriage. It is a cultural reference to a team of oxens that were used in heavy labor (such as types of fieldwork).

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddoggy00 View Post


    Verse 14. "Yolked" refers to a few types of interdependent relationships, but most specifically marriage. It is a cultural reference to a team of oxens that were used in heavy labor (such as types of fieldwork).
    Hmm. Next time put 6:14.


    Though that verse kind of defeats christianty's "accept everyone" mentality.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post

    Hmm. Next time put 6:14.

    Though that verse kind of defeats christianty's "accept everyone" mentality.
    I rarely ever put in 1 verse because it then is isolated and out of context. The best way to read any manuscript (bible or otherwise) is to read quite a bit beforehand to have some sort of context. This is why I usually refer to larger chunks, where the chunk beforehand will give you that context. At my work for example, it is normal to just cite an entire journal article; we never put page numbers or something like that, for contextual reasons.

    That is a common misconception, even by many people who call themselves christians.
    The bible talks about "in the world, but not of the world", such as romans 12 (.2), but it also says above all else, we are to love everyone on this earth (matthew 22.37). These two concepts are mentioned many times. Combining the ideas is a christian is to love everyone, but set themselves apart from what the bible says is wrong. Many people, on both sides of the coin, interpret that as "hate gays" or "kill muslims" or other pretty extremist views. But that's not at all what the bible is saying. But the bible certainly does not say be tolerant in your own choices regarding other people's actions that directly contradict what the bible outlines as good or bad. Love the person, not their choices. But like I said, many people confuse the two concepts.

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    Hmm but that's also what paul says, not god.

    Gonna go with "advice" not law or god-given script.


    As for the bible as a whole, well....it's pretty clear God doesn't give a fuck about anyone but the jews lol.
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    Well if the thread isn't already derailed...

    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post
    Hmm but that's also what paul says, not god.
    Gonna go with "advice" not law or god-given script.
    2 Timothy 3:16
    The conference for the biblical canon in the 2nd century carefully examined the letters and ancient texts and determined what was authentic, and what which texts contained what was considered to be a continuous coherent thought on the nature of god, or in other words, gods authoritative text. The bible mentions more than once that all scripture is inspired by god, essentially god speaking through the mouths and pens of his creation. In layman's terms, the bible says, "you either need to believe all of me, or you believe none of me."


    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post
    As for the bible as a whole, well....it's pretty clear God doesn't give a fuck about anyone but the jews lol.
    Ephesians 3
    Actually, almost all of the new testament, other than Hebrews, is written to non-jews (gentiles). Most of the churches in Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus etc. were comprised of 90% gentiles. Mark was actually a letter written to a Roman soldier telling Jesus's biography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddoggy00 View Post
    Well if the thread isn't already derailed...


    2 Timothy 3:16
    The conference for the biblical canon in the 2nd century carefully examined the letters and ancient texts and determined what was authentic, and what which texts contained what was considered to be a continuous coherent thought on the nature of god, or in other words, gods authoritative text. The bible mentions more than once that all scripture is inspired by god, essentially god speaking through the mouths and pens of his creation. In layman's terms, the bible says, "you either need to believe all of me, or you believe none of me."



    Ephesians 3
    Actually, almost all of the new testament, other than Hebrews, is written to non-jews (gentiles). Most of the churches in Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus etc. were comprised of 90% gentiles. Mark was actually a letter written to a Roman soldier telling Jesus's biography.
    -Wellp ima derail this topic since asking what part religion plays in relationships is stupid, as its the same for every religion and any level of relationship in practical terms.
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    Hmmm maybe you are mistaken.

    Bible as a whole includes the old testament. Which is all about the jews, and no one else. In fact the entire rest of the world is somehow "unchosen" and not ok by god. Even Jesus was fufilling a jewish prophecy and mainly affected the jewish area, though rome controlled.

    The new testament accepts people, but still on the basis of christians, mainly from paul onward. Which tbh is a pretty weak standpoint compared to Jesus which had a more accepting all mentality


    Though I personally think Jesus is all you'd need for the belief structure, as even then 99% of christians can't handle that shit already, it seems odd that they'd let the personal writings of paul or timothy influence their daily lives more than Jesus.


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    Except it's not stupid if you're a christian and believe in the bible, and the bible tells you not to. Every religion has different morals. If you were married, you'd intimately know what a delta in moral values can cause, whether religious or not.

    And no, I'm not mistaken. I've done quite a bit of research on the topic. The old testament was for the jews at the time of conception. However, there are quite a few references that Acts 11 makes, including (I will give you the exact verse in most examples, since in some cases it's not clear unless you have a strong understanding of the context):
    Psalm 22.27
    Isaiah 42.4
    Isaiah 49.6
    Isaiah 56
    Jeremiah 16.19-21
    Zechariah 2:11

    The bible as a whole includes the old testament; it also includes the new testament, which is largely for gentiles. You stated that god doesn't care about gentiles, yet 1/3 of what christians believe is god-inspired is towards them. I think that's an unreasonable conclusion.

    I would encourage you to actually read the bible yourself before making claims that anyone who takes the time to educate themselves on the nature and tone of the bible as a whole would say is an eisegesis.

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