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    {{32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only}}}Mark 24: 32-36:
    that mean Jesus is not all knowing.


    Jesus fasting for 40day why god fasting ?

    all this from the Bible

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    god is god, jesus is his messenger
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    yea thats i try to say my frend

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    also jesus is not god's son and was not crucified he is his messenger and he will return one day to earth
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhizzMirray View Post
    also jesus is not god's son and was not crucified he is his messenger and he will return one day to earth
    According to the lore of christianity he was God.

    According to the lore of Islam, he was not.
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    According to reality, we have no evidence Jesus did anything supernatural and both Islam/Christianity are false beliefs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    According to the lore of christianity he was God.

    According to the lore of Islam, he was not.
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    According to reality, we have no evidence Jesus did anything supernatural and both Islam/Christianity are false beliefs.
    in islam you can check coran for evidence that it is mistake free and is god speaking as most of todays discoveries were already mentioned in coran 600years ago
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhizzMirray View Post
    in islam you can check coran for evidence that it is mistake free and is god speaking as most of todays discoveries were already mentioned in coran 600years ago
    So let me get this straight.

    You can check the quran, to see if the quran is right. It seems like you don't understand what a circular argument is.
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    Also those "discoveries" weren't discovered 600 years ago and only found later.

    So tired of Muslims being retarded on this. There is no proof whatsoever that Muhammed actually knew about the science, he only said some vague metaphors and you are now interpreting it to say he did.

    These same verses are also used as metaphors in Islam, so you're obviously trying to say they apply to everything.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post
    So let me get this straight.

    You can check the quran, to see if the quran is right. It seems like you don't understand what a circular argument is.
    circular argument i just gave you one check quran


    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post
    Also those "discoveries" weren't discovered 600 years ago and only found later.

    So tired of Muslims being retarded on this. There is no proof whatsoever that Muhammed actually knew about the science, he only said some vague metaphors and you are now interpreting it to say he did.

    These same verses are also used as metaphors in Islam, so you're obviously trying to say they apply to everything.
    I didn't say they were discovered 600 years ago nor told by Muhammad. allah said/told these verses to Muhammad they were here to give as proof to non believers that there is only one god, at first he didn't told them to join Islam, but just to believe in one god.

    I won't post verses here because i assume that you were quoted with a ton of them and you weren't convinced but you are free to believe what ever you want, and i don't judge you, people hate islam since it started, people have different opinion.
    thanks for reading and sorry if i am off-topic
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhizzMirray View Post
    circular argument i just gave you one check quran
    Circular reasoning is not a formal logical fallacy but a pragmatic defect in an argument whereby the premises are just as much in need of proof or evidence as the conclusion, and as a consequence the argument fails to persuade.


    Quote Originally Posted by WhizzMirray View Post
    I didn't say they were discovered 600 years ago nor told by Muhammad. allah said/told these verses to Muhammad they were here to give as proof to non believers that there is only one god, at first he didn't told them to join Islam, but just to believe in one god.

    I won't post verses here because i assume that you were quoted with a ton of them and you weren't convinced but you are free to believe what ever you want, and i don't judge you, people hate islam since it started, people have different opinion.
    thanks for reading and sorry if i am off-topic
    The problem with these verses is that:
    A) They can be used for other events because they can be so loosely interpreted.
    B) They are not accurate prophecies, but vague metaphors.
    C) They are already used (in islam) as metaphors. They are now used as an apologetic argument because interpretations vary so much.


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    Quote Originally Posted by khatabhunter View Post
    {{32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only}}}Mark 24: 32-36:
    that mean Jesus is not all knowing.


    Jesus fasting for 40day why god fasting ?

    all this from the Bible

    Jesus IS God

    John 10:30 - I and [my] Father are one.

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    Jesus is the son of God. Cmon everyone should know this lol it's basic bible school stuff that people who dont even go to church know

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    Jesus, God, the Holy Spirit... are the same thing. It's a hard concept to understand- I don't understand it- but you kind of just accept it, one of the things the bible lacks is consistency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyDuhAwesome View Post
    Jesus, God, the Holy Spirit... are the same thing. It's a hard concept to understand- I don't understand it- but you kind of just accept it, one of the things the bible lacks is consistency.
    A priest told me before that humans were not meant to completely understand the "Holy Trinity" and that it is something that people spend their whole lives trying to discover.

    Religion lacks consistency and lacks evidence which is a known fact. A lot of arguments to prove religion use cherry picked "Facts" or "opinions" and are used to prove that the argument is right. This is why religion is severely flawed, it is mostly based on "Faith".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tatenashi Sarashiki. View Post
    A priest told me before that humans were not meant to completely understand the "Holy Trinity" and that it is something that people spend their whole lives trying to discover.

    Religion lacks consistency and lacks evidence which is a known fact. A lot of arguments to prove religion use cherry picked "Facts" or "opinions" and are used to prove that the argument is right. This is why religion is severely flawed, it is mostly based on "Faith".
    Just curious on your opinion, what evidence do you think it lacks for a religon as a overall not just christianity or islam etc... (Don't know if you get what i'm trying to say but ok)

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