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    Quote Originally Posted by lies' View Post
    "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." ~Albert Einstein
    He was a wise man...Its a shame many people dont bother reading the quran and thinking for them self now..

    Allah told Muslims not to fall into sects of Islam..I can ask any Muslim what sect are you? and he would tell me sunni or shia or w.e

    The fact is Islam is Islam. Islam is Muslim. same thing nothing else.

    The Quran has verses which connect to each other, so 1 verse in the beginning could connect to a verse at the end..

    Its about understanding and believing.

    This goes to christianity also, some may think trinity = 3 = 1 but it can truly mean 3 blessed = by 1 god, or something else, it depends on your understand and just yours, not a pastor, not a imam, not a scholar. yours. God/Allah loves those with knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    This goes to christianity also, some may think trinity = 3 = 1 but it can truly mean 3 blessed = by 1 god, or something else, it depends on your understand and just yours, not a pastor, not a imam, not a scholar. yours. God/Allah loves those with knowledge.
    Ugh, please stop talking about christianity, your understanding of the core concepts is just off by miles.

    The trinity, for the last time, means 3 in 1. Just look it up on almost any christian site and you will see it.


    Here is an example i hate: The trinity is like an apple, god is the skin, jesus is the middle, and the holy spirit are the seeds. They are all part of the apple, but each distinctly different.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    Ugh, please stop talking about christianity, your understanding of the core concepts is just off by miles.

    The trinity, for the last time, means 3 in 1. Just look it up on almost any christian site and you will see it.


    Here is an example i hate: The trinity is like an apple, god is the skin, jesus is the middle, and the holy spirit are the seeds. They are all part of the apple, but each distinctly different.
    Some Christians believe romans killed Jesus, some think Jews. see what i mean? it depends on the understanding.

    3 in 1. the 3 =

    The father = ?
    The son = ?
    Holy spirit = ?

    tell me who are these people.

    __________

    The apple = Skin, Middle, Sead. so by saying Middle = Jesus, Jesus must be the son right?

    So
    The father = ?
    The son = Jesus
    Holy spirit = ?

    God =
    The father
    The son = Jesus
    The spirit

    So if God = The son = Jesus, didn't Jesus pray?
    [Matt 27:46] ''My God,my God, why hast thou forsaken me?''

    Dont get me wrong! i could still be wrong so if theres room for correcting please correct me!

    -The points which stopped me from converting to Christianity when i was younger was Us humans punished for 1 man, Adam. God is loving and not unfair.

    -The bibles which i couldn't trust. [different].

    -And confusion with the trinity.

    These are Q and A i need answering.

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    There still isn't a reply to this :O

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    Some Christians believe romans killed Jesus, some think Jews. see what i mean? it depends on the understanding.

    3 in 1. the 3 =

    The father = ?
    The son = ?
    Holy spirit = ?

    tell me who are these people.

    __________

    The apple = Skin, Middle, Sead. so by saying Middle = Jesus, Jesus must be the son right?

    So
    The father = ?
    The son = Jesus
    Holy spirit = ?

    God =
    The father
    The son = Jesus
    The spirit

    So if God = The son = Jesus, didn't Jesus pray?
    [Matt 27:46] ''My God,my God, why hast thou forsaken me?''

    Dont get me wrong! i could still be wrong so if theres room for correcting please correct me!

    -The points which stopped me from converting to Christianity when i was younger was Us humans punished for 1 man, Adam. God is loving and not unfair.

    -The bibles which i couldn't trust. [different].

    -And confusion with the trinity.

    These are Q and A i need answering.
    Trinity= different levels of GOD.

    God is the father.
    God was in the Son.
    The holy spirit is the divine spirit of GOD.

    3=1 that's it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    So if God = The son = Jesus, didn't Jesus pray?
    [Matt 27:46] ''My God,my God, why hast thou forsaken me?''
    Jesus was quoting from Psalms, or quite possibly singing his last words.

    Psalm 22

    My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
    Why are you so far from saving me,
    so far from the words of my groaning?

    O my God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
    by night, and am not silent.

    Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
    you are the praise of Israel.

    In you our fathers put their trust;
    they trusted and you delivered them.

    They cried to you and were saved;
    in you they trusted and were not disappointed.

    But I am a worm and not a man,
    scorned by men and despised by the people.

    All who see me mock me;
    they hurl insults, shaking their heads:

    “He trusts in the LORD;
    let the LORD rescue him.
    Let him deliver him,
    since he delights in him.”

    Yet you brought me out of the womb;
    you made me trust in you
    even at my mother’s breast.

    From birth I was cast upon you;
    from my mother’s womb you have been my God.

    Do not be far from me,
    for trouble is near
    and there is no one to help.

    Many bulls surround me;
    strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.

    Roaring lions tearing their prey
    open their mouths wide against me.

    I am poured out like water,
    and all my bones are out of joint.
    My heart has turned to wax;
    it has melted away within me.

    My strength is dried up like a potsherd,
    and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
    you lay me in the dust of death.

    Dogs have surrounded me;
    a band of evil men has encircled me,
    they have pierced my hands and my feet.

    I can count all my bones;
    people stare and gloat over me.

    They divide my garments among them
    and cast lots for my clothing.

    But you, O LORD, be not far off;
    O my Strength, come quickly to help me.

    Deliver my life from the sword,
    my precious life from the power of the dogs.

    Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;
    save me from the horns of the wild oxen.

    I will declare your name to my brothers;
    in the congregation I will praise you.

    You who fear the LORD, praise him!
    All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!
    Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!

    For he has not despised or disdained
    the suffering of the afflicted one;
    he has not hidden his face from him
    but has listened to his cry for help.

    From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;
    before those who fear you will I fulfill my vows.

    The poor will eat and be satisfied;
    they who seek the LORD will praise him—
    may your hearts live forever!

    All the ends of the earth
    will remember and turn to the LORD,
    and all the families of the nations
    will bow down before him,
    for dominion belongs to the LORD
    and he rules over the nations.

    All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
    all who go down to the dust will kneel before him—
    those who cannot keep themselves alive.

    Posterity will serve him;
    future generations will be told about the Lord.

    They will proclaim his righteousness
    to a people yet unborn—
    for he has done it.

    Quote Originally Posted by jwtog View Post
    There still isn't a reply to this :O
    There is now. I fell away for a bit, now I am back with the Lord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Trinity= different levels of GOD.

    God is the father.
    God was in the Son.
    The holy spirit is the divine spirit of GOD.

    3=1 that's it.




    Jesus was quoting from Psalms, or quite possibly singing his last words.

    Psalm 22

    My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
    Why are you so far from saving me,
    so far from the words of my groaning?

    O my God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
    by night, and am not silent.

    Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
    you are the praise of Israel.

    In you our fathers put their trust;
    they trusted and you delivered them.

    They cried to you and were saved;
    in you they trusted and were not disappointed.

    But I am a worm and not a man,
    scorned by men and despised by the people.

    All who see me mock me;
    they hurl insults, shaking their heads:

    “He trusts in the LORD;
    let the LORD rescue him.
    Let him deliver him,
    since he delights in him.”

    Yet you brought me out of the womb;
    you made me trust in you
    even at my mother’s breast.

    From birth I was cast upon you;
    from my mother’s womb you have been my God.

    Do not be far from me,
    for trouble is near
    and there is no one to help.

    Many bulls surround me;
    strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.

    Roaring lions tearing their prey
    open their mouths wide against me.

    I am poured out like water,
    and all my bones are out of joint.
    My heart has turned to wax;
    it has melted away within me.

    My strength is dried up like a potsherd,
    and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
    you lay me in the dust of death.

    Dogs have surrounded me;
    a band of evil men has encircled me,
    they have pierced my hands and my feet.

    I can count all my bones;
    people stare and gloat over me.

    They divide my garments among them
    and cast lots for my clothing.

    But you, O LORD, be not far off;
    O my Strength, come quickly to help me.

    Deliver my life from the sword,
    my precious life from the power of the dogs.

    Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;
    save me from the horns of the wild oxen.

    I will declare your name to my brothers;
    in the congregation I will praise you.

    You who fear the LORD, praise him!
    All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!
    Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!

    For he has not despised or disdained
    the suffering of the afflicted one;
    he has not hidden his face from him
    but has listened to his cry for help.

    From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;
    before those who fear you will I fulfill my vows.

    The poor will eat and be satisfied;
    they who seek the LORD will praise him—
    may your hearts live forever!

    All the ends of the earth
    will remember and turn to the LORD,
    and all the families of the nations
    will bow down before him,
    for dominion belongs to the LORD
    and he rules over the nations.

    All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
    all who go down to the dust will kneel before him—
    those who cannot keep themselves alive.

    Posterity will serve him;
    future generations will be told about the Lord.

    They will proclaim his righteousness
    to a people yet unborn—
    for he has done it.



    There is now. I fell away for a bit, now I am back with the Lord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouzie View Post
    Sorry for being so obvious but that blood is so damn fake, and the zombies shirt has a picture of ribcage.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouzie View Post
    Wtf movie was that??

    That made Evil Dead look like Pokemon..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Trinity= different levels of GOD.

    God is the father.
    God was in the Son.
    The holy spirit is the divine spirit of GOD.

    3=1 that's it.




    Jesus was quoting from Psalms, or quite possibly singing his last words.

    Psalm 22

    My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
    Why are you so far from saving me,
    so far from the words of my groaning?

    O my God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
    by night, and am not silent.

    Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
    you are the praise of Israel.

    In you our fathers put their trust;
    they trusted and you delivered them.

    They cried to you and were saved;
    in you they trusted and were not disappointed.

    But I am a worm and not a man,
    scorned by men and despised by the people.

    All who see me mock me;
    they hurl insults, shaking their heads:

    “He trusts in the LORD;
    let the LORD rescue him.
    Let him deliver him,
    since he delights in him.”

    Yet you brought me out of the womb;
    you made me trust in you
    even at my mother’s breast.

    From birth I was cast upon you;
    from my mother’s womb you have been my God.

    Do not be far from me,
    for trouble is near
    and there is no one to help.

    Many bulls surround me;
    strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.

    Roaring lions tearing their prey
    open their mouths wide against me.

    I am poured out like water,
    and all my bones are out of joint.
    My heart has turned to wax;
    it has melted away within me.

    My strength is dried up like a potsherd,
    and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
    you lay me in the dust of death.

    Dogs have surrounded me;
    a band of evil men has encircled me,
    they have pierced my hands and my feet.

    I can count all my bones;
    people stare and gloat over me.

    They divide my garments among them
    and cast lots for my clothing.

    But you, O LORD, be not far off;
    O my Strength, come quickly to help me.

    Deliver my life from the sword,
    my precious life from the power of the dogs.

    Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;
    save me from the horns of the wild oxen.

    I will declare your name to my brothers;
    in the congregation I will praise you.

    You who fear the LORD, praise him!
    All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!
    Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!

    For he has not despised or disdained
    the suffering of the afflicted one;
    he has not hidden his face from him
    but has listened to his cry for help.

    From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;
    before those who fear you will I fulfill my vows.

    The poor will eat and be satisfied;
    they who seek the LORD will praise him—
    may your hearts live forever!

    All the ends of the earth
    will remember and turn to the LORD,
    and all the families of the nations
    will bow down before him,
    for dominion belongs to the LORD
    and he rules over the nations.

    All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
    all who go down to the dust will kneel before him—
    those who cannot keep themselves alive.

    Posterity will serve him;
    future generations will be told about the Lord.

    They will proclaim his righteousness
    to a people yet unborn—
    for he has done it.



    There is now. I fell away for a bit, now I am back with the Lord.
    Haha that zombie movie is funny xD.

    In the Bible, a jew comes to Jesus pbuh, and questions him. He said: "Master what Commandment is the first of all?" And Jesus pbuh replies: "The First is: Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one." Jesus pbuh recieves the question what commandment is the first of all and Jesus pbuh answers onto the jewish learned man the first is: "Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one." ONE, not Three in One. That was the correct time, that if Jesus pbuh wanted everybody to believe in the trinity he would have said: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost we Three are One, You have to believe in that if you want to be saved. That was the correct time to teach that if that would have been his message. But he repeats word for word what was given to Moses 1300 years before him. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." So Jesus pbuh has never thaught you that The Father is God, The Son is God and The Holy Ghost is God. He said there is ONE god and not Three in 1. Nowhere in the bible is a statement like: The Father is God, The Son is God and The Holy Ghost is God that they are not three gods but 1 God. There is no such statement in the Bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwtog View Post
    Haha that zombie movie is funny xD.

    In the Bible, a jew comes to Jesus pbuh, and questions him. He said: "Master what Commandment is the first of all?" And Jesus pbuh replies: "The First is: Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one." Jesus pbuh recieves the question what commandment is the first of all and Jesus pbuh answers onto the jewish learned man the first is: "Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one." ONE, not Three in One. That was the correct time, that if Jesus pbuh wanted everybody to believe in the trinity he would have said: The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost we Three are One, You have to believe in that if you want to be saved. That was the correct time to teach that if that would have been his message. But he repeats word for word what was given to Moses 1300 years before him. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." So Jesus pbuh has never thaught you that The Father is God, The Son is God and The Holy Ghost is God. He said there is ONE god and not Three in 1. Nowhere in the bible is a statement like: The Father is God, The Son is God and The Holy Ghost is God that they are not three gods but 1 God. There is no such statement in the Bible.
    the term: "Tri" meaning three, and "Unity" meaning one, Tri+Unity = Trinity. It is a way of acknowledging what the Bible reveals to us about God, that God is yet three "Persons" who have the same essence of deity. Some have tried to give human illustrations for the Trinity, such as H2O being water, ice and steam (all different forms, but all are H2O). Another illustration is an egg having a shell, egg yolk and egg white, but this egg illustration shows that there would be "parts" to God, which isn't the case.

    God the Son (Jesus) is fully, completely God. God the Father is fully, completely God. And God the Holy Spirit is fully, completely God. Yet there is only one God. In our world, with our limited human experience, it's tough to understand the Trinity. But from the beginning we see God this way in Scripture. Notice the plural pronouns "us" and "our" in Genesis 1:26 -- Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

    And after being baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon Him, and behold, a voice out of the heavens, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased." (Matt. 3:16-17)
    (God the spirit)

    "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 28:19)

    Jesus said: "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30)

    "He who has seen Me has seen the Father." (John 14:9)

    "He who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me." (John 12:45)

    If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. (Rom. 8:9)

    "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for that which has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 1:20)


    And the angel answered and said to her [Mary], "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy offspring shall be called the Son of God." (Luke 1:35)

    There is plenty more mention of the Trinity..
    I don't understand why muslims try debating this so much..
    Don't you believe Christ will come back as judge?
    Then why is it not plausible that he is indeed son?
    Would God really send a "regular" spirit back down to judge mankind..?
    Last edited by Ethereal; 11-21-2010 at 03:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    the term: "Tri" meaning three, and "Unity" meaning one, Tri+Unity = Trinity. It is a way of acknowledging what the Bible reveals to us about God, that God is yet three "Persons" who have the same essence of deity. Some have tried to give human illustrations for the Trinity, such as H2O being water, ice and steam (all different forms, but all are H2O). Another illustration is an egg having a shell, egg yolk and egg white, but this egg illustration shows that there would be "parts" to God, which isn't the case.

    God the Son (Jesus) is fully, completely God. God the Father is fully, completely God. And God the Holy Spirit is fully, completely God. Yet there is only one God. In our world, with our limited human experience, it's tough to understand the Trinity. But from the beginning we see God this way in Scripture. Notice the plural pronouns "us" and "our" in Genesis 1:26 -- Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

    And after being baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon Him, and behold, a voice out of the heavens, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased." (Matt. 3:16-17)
    (God the spirit)

    "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 28:19)

    Jesus said: "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30)

    "He who has seen Me has seen the Father." (John 14:9)

    "He who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me." (John 12:45)

    If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. (Rom. 8:9)

    "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for that which has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 1:20)


    And the angel answered and said to her [Mary], "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy offspring shall be called the Son of God." (Luke 1:35)

    There is plenty more mention of the Trinity..
    I don't understand why muslims try debating this so much..
    Don't you believe Christ will come back as judge?
    Then why is it not plausible that he is indeed son?
    Would God really send a "regular" spirit back down to judge mankind..?
    May i just say in NO intention of offending you.

    The meaning of "Holy spirit" can be many things, "angel", "spirit of god".

    Spirit of god could mean -> angel of God.

    And all angels/prophets are of god.

    so my question is what makes Jesus more special than the other prophets?

    -All prophets are the spirit of God.
    -Adam was created without a mother nor father
    -Jesus dieng for our sins? what did we do to gain sins? why would God punish us for adams mistake, thats an unfair God.

    I'm not trieng to offend you, but i know your SUPER defencive about ever %@£! i say -.- so try to understand where im coming from.

    What makes Jesus more superior than the other prophets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post

    What makes Jesus more superior than the other prophets?


    Well,is Allah sending Muhammed back to judge man?

    No other prophet, angel, or man did what the Messiah did.

    And no..spirit of God isn't Angel of God.

    They are referred to as Sons of God.
    Not spirits of God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Well,is Allah sending Muhammed back to judge man?

    No other prophet, angel, or man did what the Messiah did.

    And no..spirit of God isn't Angel of God.

    They are referred to as Sons of God.
    Not spirits of God.
    Its the way you want to hear it, i mean a person who isn't christian would think "Its the same thing spirit of god, son of god" they will be more open minded about it.

    But someone in faith will only believe what he wants to believe.

    Jesus is the judger of man? how in the world can you say this. God is judge of man, nobody else can judge but god.

    But its hard to put this in words so it doesn't offend you..like i said your too offensive about things, so i aplogize is this does offend you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    Its the way you want to hear it, i mean a person who isn't christian would think "Its the same thing spirit of god, son of god" they will be more open minded about it.

    But someone in faith will only believe what he wants to believe.

    Jesus is the judger of man? how in the world can you say this. God is judge of man, nobody else can judge but god.

    But its hard to put this in words so it doesn't offend you..like i said your too offensive about things, so i aplogize is this does offend you.




    Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 43, Number 656: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).

    After the death of the Mahdi, Jesus will assume leadership. This is a time associated in Islamic narrative with universal peace and justice. Islamic texts also allude to the appearance of Ya'juj and Ma'juj (known also as Gog and Magog), ancient tribes which will disperse and cause disturbance on earth. God, in response to Jesus' prayers, will kill them by sending a type of worm in the napes of their necks. Jesus' rule is said to be around forty years, after which he will die. Muslims will then perform the funeral prayer for him and then bury him in the city of Medina in a grave left vacant beside Muhammad, Abu Bakr, and Umar (companions of Muhammad and the first and second Muslim caliphs respectively).


    So you don't believe the Hadith Qudsi'?

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