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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    1 Changing water into wine
    2 Healing of the royal official's son
    3 Healing of the Capernaum demoniac
    4 Healing of Peter's mother-in-law
    5 Catching a large number of fish
    6 Healing a leper
    7 Healing a centurion's servant
    8 Healing a paralytic
    9 Healing a withered hand
    10 Raising a widow's son
    11 Calming the stormy sea
    12 Healing the Gerasene demoniac
    13 Healing a woman with internal bleeding
    14 Raising Jairus' daughter
    15 Healing two blind men
    16 Healing a mute demoniac
    17 Healing a 38 year invalid
    18 Feeding 5000 men and their families
    19 Walking on water
    20 Healing a demoniac girl
    21 Healing a deaf man with a speech impediment
    22 Feeding the 4000 men and their families
    23 Healing a blind man
    24 Healing a man born blind
    25 Healing a demoniac boy
    26 Catching a fish with a coin in its mouth
    27 Healing a blind and mute demoniac
    28 Healing a woman with an 18 year infirmity
    29 Healing a man with dropsy
    30 Healing 10 lepers
    31 Raising of Lazarus
    32 Healing Bartimaeus of blindness
    33 Restoring a severed ear
    34 Catching a great number of fish



    Find me a prophet that has done all these things,
    and we can call this debate over.
    Brother there is no debate, but your offensiveness freaks me out. like wow, im trieng to make a connection between the 3 religions who believe in the 1 God but you have to break the humbleness?

    C'mon, just stop.

    Muslims believe Jesus was born in a Jewish tribe, doesn't mean hes Jewish.
    I was born in a Athiest-Catholic religion but i am not catholic?

    I'm Muslim, why? because i gave my self up to God-Al-lah-the God. which ever language it is, the word "God" isn't Gods name. Elah is the name of God before the word "God" came up in the bible.

    But what im trieng to say is, Isreal is a holy land to all 3 religions. let the humbleness out and stop being "stubborn"? all i want to do is make us all agree on 1 thing.

    -We all worship Allah-God-Elah. [Just different translations]

    Plase agree on this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    No..Jesus was not a Muslim.
    You can believe whatever you like dude..
    I don't really care. I've already debated the trinity thing so many times.
    Honestly you guys all present the same arguments..
    and it doesn't matter how many times they get refuted,
    it always seems to come back.

    Every Islam vs. Western World thread gets turned into this:

    Islam kids: "Nuh uh Bible is altered, Jesus just a prophet"
    Christian kids: " k..bro here is some scripture that predates your own by centuries"

    Atheists: w/e.

    Look at the name of the thread..not even sure how this even got to A Christian/ Islam discussion, but it happens constantly.
    Jesus, a Muslim, Was Neither Killed, nor Crucified read. read. read.
    /Flame On




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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark[A]ce View Post
    Just.. shut up, I feel sorry for your parents for having such a sad and pathetic child like you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    Brother there is no debate, but your offensiveness freaks me out. like wow, im trieng to make a connection between the 3 religions who believe in the 1 God but you have to break the humbleness?

    C'mon, just stop.

    Muslims believe Jesus was born in a Jewish tribe, doesn't mean hes Jewish.
    I was born in a Athiest-Catholic religion but i am not catholic?

    I'm Muslim, why? because i gave my self up to God-Al-lah-the God. which ever language it is, the word "God" isn't Gods name. Elah is the name of God before the word "God" came up in the bible.

    But what im trieng to say is, Isreal is a holy land to all 3 religions. let the humbleness out and stop being "stubborn"? all i want to do is make us all agree on 1 thing.

    -We all worship Allah-God-Elah. [Just different translations]

    Plase agree on this!
    How about you believe whatever you want to believe and I believe what I want to believe.
    I am not being "offensive" one bit either.
    These are just things you wish to project, but if you read, then you will see I am not being "offensive"

    Secondly,
    Muslims believe different things about Christ than Christians do.
    We have followed these scriptures for many years before Muhammed even walked. We were given direction, and those that study diligently enough and study with other educated Christians will find the truth in these books.
    You don't seem to understand that if Christians worship correctly,
    we just don't see things as far as worship goes as Muslims do.
    You have brought Christians into arguments far more then I have brought Muslims into anything..so what do you expect? I only defend my scriptures,
    Same way you do when some dumbass talks nonsense about Islam.
    I can actually find you the origins of the word Allah..but this will offend you,
    that's why I never have Visible.

    And God has many names in the Hebrew,
    we were given these many names in the ancient scriptures,
    So..YHVH,Elohim ,El ,Yəhōwāh,Yahweh, GOD
    Is what we refer to him as..call him what you like.
    Last edited by Ethereal; 11-22-2010 at 06:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    Muslims believe Jesus was born in a Jewish tribe, doesn't mean hes Jewish.
    I was born in a Athiest-Catholic religion but i am not catholic?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    1 Changing water into wine
    2 Healing of the royal official's son
    3 Healing of the Capernaum demoniac
    4 Healing of Peter's mother-in-law
    5 Catching a large number of fish
    6 Healing a leper
    7 Healing a centurion's servant
    8 Healing a paralytic
    9 Healing a withered hand
    10 Raising a widow's son
    11 Calming the stormy sea
    12 Healing the Gerasene demoniac
    13 Healing a woman with internal bleeding
    14 Raising Jairus' daughter
    15 Healing two blind men
    16 Healing a mute demoniac
    17 Healing a 38 year invalid
    18 Feeding 5000 men and their families
    19 Walking on water
    20 Healing a demoniac girl
    21 Healing a deaf man with a speech impediment
    22 Feeding the 4000 men and their families
    23 Healing a blind man
    24 Healing a man born blind
    25 Healing a demoniac boy
    26 Catching a fish with a coin in its mouth
    27 Healing a blind and mute demoniac
    28 Healing a woman with an 18 year infirmity
    29 Healing a man with dropsy
    30 Healing 10 lepers
    31 Raising of Lazarus
    32 Healing Bartimaeus of blindness
    33 Restoring a severed ear
    34 Catching a great number of fish



    Find me a prophet that has done all these things,
    and we can call this debate over.
    And this is supposed to be what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    How about you believe whatever you want to believe and I believe what I want to believe.
    I am not being "offensive" one bit either.
    These are just things you wish to project, but if you read, then you will see I am not being "offensive"

    Secondly,
    Muslims believe different things about Christ than Christians do.
    We have followed these scriptures for many years before Muhammed even walked. We were given direction, and those that study diligently enough and study with other educated Christians will find the truth in these books.
    You don't seem to understand that if Christians worship correctly,
    we just don't see things as far as worship goes as Muslims do.
    You have brought Christians into arguments far more then I have brought Muslims into anything..so what do you expect? I only defend my scriptures,
    Same way you do when some dumbass talks nonsense about Islam.
    I can actually find you the origins of the word Allah..but this will offend you,
    that's why I never have Visible.

    And God has many names in the Hebrew,
    we were given these many names in the ancient scriptures,
    So..YHVH,Elohim ,El ,Yəhōwāh,Yahweh, GOD
    Is what we refer to him as..call him what you like.
    If your scripture is older, and has given you direction for a longer period of time, this does not mean that it's the truth or correct.
    I'm not saying it isn't true or correct. Such arguments just hold little value. If you are 50 years old and you do something wrong, I as a 14 year old can still tell you, this is wrong, it is not right you are mistaken and when doing so speaking the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    How about you believe whatever you want to believe and I believe what I want to believe.
    I am not being "offensive" one bit either.
    These are just things you wish to project, but if you read, then you will see I am not being "offensive"

    Secondly,
    Muslims believe different things about Christ than Christians do.
    We have followed these scriptures for many years before Muhammed even walked. We were given direction, and those that study diligently enough and study with other educated Christians will find the truth in these books.
    You don't seem to understand that if Christians worship correctly,
    we just don't see things as far as worship goes as Muslims do.
    You have brought Christians into arguments far more then I have brought Muslims into anything..so what do you expect? I only defend my scriptures,
    Same way you do when some dumbass talks nonsense about Islam.
    I can actually find you the origins of the word Allah..but this will offend you,
    that's why I never have Visible.

    And God has many names in the Hebrew,
    we were given these many names in the ancient scriptures,
    So..YHVH,Elohim ,El ,Yəhōwāh,Yahweh, GOD
    Is what we refer to him as..call him what you like.
    Allah the word which came from a pagan statue God, right?

    -Christian arab use the word allah as God.

    Jehovahs whitnesses.

    Go around the world and claiming the name of God is johovah, right? not God because God is a label, and his name is johovah. ok were clear on this.

    Old testament preserved in greek, in the 27 books the world johovah isn't in Any of them.

    Ok, new world translation the bible is translated and the word ALLAH is written in ALL the 27 bibles.
    --------------[I may be wrong]----------

    Ok when Muslims go into extacy what do we say?

    "ALLAHU AKBAR" - "GOD IS GREAT"

    --

    Ok when Christians go into extacy what do they say?

    "Hallelujah" right? ok, now Jews and Muslims start of with the exclamation mark at the beggining.

    e.g
    "Brother!" - [ARABIC] "!yah akhi"

    so Arabic and Aramaic and hebrew is backwards. ok now whats Hallelujah backwards in arabic? "hallaluyah" "yah-u-allah", you believe in biblical code but not in words backgrounds, this is funny, but ok.

    "yah-u-allah" = allah. why? because you can say "yahu" before it or not and it still means the same thing.

    -----------------

    If "ALLAH" Was a pagan God then how did he know about this:

    Qur'an 4:163-165

    Allah said "Lo! We inspire thee (Muhammad) as We inspired Noah and the prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as we imparted unto David the Psalms;

    The arabs are FAR from the Christians at this period.


    [Sorry if i offended you with anything, please just point out what i offended you with to try and not comment with it again ]

    P.S did you see this in answering-islam.org or something? because answering-Christianity.org debated the server in an online debate about this exact subject 8months ago.

    [Moderator on answering-christianity.org] <- all it is, is giving true information on Islam that answering-Islam.org lies about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouzie View Post
    Just.. shut up, I feel sorry for your parents for having such a sad and pathetic child like you.
    i feel sorry for your parents since u were born accident.
    /Flame On




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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark[A]ce View Post


    i feel sorry for your parents since u were born accident.
    Mouzie was right in saying that though, you were 100% idiot then.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    Mouzie was right in saying that though, you were 100% idiot then.
    Sorry empire, but does your nose have to enter ever arguement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    Sorry empire, but does your nose have to enter ever arguement?
    It does when i want to raise my post count through raping Islam, yes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    It does when i want to raise my post count through raping Islam, yes.
    "raping islam"? ok love you to

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwtog View Post
    And this is supposed to be what?


    If you don't know what that is, then you know not a thing about the New Testament.

    Where are all of Christ's teachings in the Qur'an?
    Oh right..he was so respected that I guess God forgot that part.
    Makes a lot of sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    Jehovahs whitnesses.

    Go around the world and claiming the name of God is johovah, right? not God because God is a label, and his name is johovah. ok were clear on this.

    Old testament preserved in greek, in the 27 books the world johovah isn't in Any of them.

    Ok, new world translation the bible is translated and the word ALLAH is written in ALL the 27 bibles.
    --------------[I may be wrong]----------
    First off, it's Jehovah. Not Johovah...

    Secondly, before debating the Bible with a Theology major please get your facts straight. YHWH =Jehovah. The name of God first revealed to Moses was YHWH. So they both mean the same thing. They are known as the proper name of God. YHWH is the Hebrew, (Jehovih). The only thing that makes Jehovah different is the spelling and slight pronounciation differences.
    Jehovah originated from the Hebrew language, but got this transliteration from Latin. Period. irrefutable, not even debatable.

    Thirdly,the claim about Jehovah in the Greek scriptures..

    "YHWH" was used in the Old Testament 6639 times called the Tetragrammaton. After the exile (6th Century B.C.), and especially from the 3rd century BC on, Jews ceased to use the name Yahweh for two reasons. As Judaism became a universal religion through its proselytizing in the Greco-Roman world, the more common noun elohim, meaning "god," tended to replace Yahweh to demonstrate the universal sovereignty of Israel's God over all others. At the same time, the divine name was increasingly regarded as too sacred to be uttered; it was thus replaced vocally in the synagogue ritual by the Hebrew word Adonai ("My Lord"), which was translated as Kyrios ("Lord") in the Septuagint, the Greek version of the Old Testament.

    So, in theory it all comes down to the language that was predominantly spoken during the time of Jesus. Not sure what you were trying to point out about the Greek scriptures..but it's of little importance.
    It's just you doing what you do, and seeing if you can trip me up by finding any little hole in the Bible that you can.

    Also..yes you are wrong.

    The word "Allah" is never found in the Bible in either Hebrew and Greek.
    Irrefutable. Not debatable.

    The closest two words we find are the Hebrew "alah" (which means to curse, mourn or rise, and is never applied to God) and the Hebrew word "Elah" which means has been translated to either oak or turpentine tree

    The first Arabic translation of the Bible came into existence about the 9th century. Now I have never personally read an Arabic bible..
    so I'm not sure if what you're saying is true or not, I'm sure Allah isn't in 27 Bibles though, I might look into it.
    but even if it was..so what.

    Allah is a pre-Islamic name coming from the compound Arabic word Al-ilah which means the God, which is derived from al (the) ilah (deity).

    The Arabic name for “God” is the word “Al-ilah.” It is a generic title for whatever god was considered the highest god. Different Arab tribes used “Allah” to refer to its personal high god. “Allah” was being worshipped at the Kaa’ba in Mecca by Arabs prior to the time of Muhammed.
    So..even before The time of Muhammed "Allah" was a common word for Deity..or God. So what other word would you expect in an Arabic Bible..
    it makes sense..it's carried over language..same goes with the Greeks..
    Does this mean that Arabic Christians don't believe Christ was the son?
    Well unless they're dumber then bricks..then the answer is no.

    Now..onto your Hallelujah argument which you ripped off of Ahmed Deedat.
    Hallelujah ..where the frig do you get Allah from this ?

    First off you mispelled the word to make it fit your ridiculous argument.
    This is why debating with you is just sad.
    You do sneaky shit like this, then I catch you..make you look foolish,
    and you always seem to come back and trump your last attempt at misinformation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    so Arabic and Aramaic and hebrew is backwards. ok now whats Hallelujah backwards in arabic? "hallaluyah" "yah-u-allah", you believe in biblical code but not in words backgrounds, this is funny, but ok.

    "yah-u-allah" = allah. why? because you can say "yahu" before it or not and it still means the same thing.

    Again..Hallelujahlet us] praise the Lord
    Hallelujah" literally means, "Praise YHWH", or praise Jehova.. has been universally accepted meaning for 3500 years, Yet you heard some dumbass come along and make a completely invalid point and bought into it.

    Answering Christianity? Answering Islam?
    Bro I've never been to either of those places,
    but since you "think" I may have been..
    then what exactly were you doing browsing their forums?
    I don't need to google all my info like you.
    That's why I'm going to school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    "raping islam"? ok love you to
    He seeks for love in here aswell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    Mouzie was right in saying that though, you were 100% idiot then.
    for telling someone, that does not concern you, to read something?
    ok nab.

    p.s. yay i have haters for posting facts
    /Flame On




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