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    The Koran is Evil

    There is an inherent evil in the words of the Koran, jumping out from every page, which you cannot find in the Gospels or the Geeta or the Dhammapada.

    You are correct to say that a wicked Hindu does not mean that Hinduism is evil. You are correct to say that a wicked Christian does not mean that Christianity is evil.

    But in the case of Islam, even if EVERY MUSLIM IN THE WORLD WERE THE MOST RIGHTEOUS, gentle, kind and charitable people, the Koran would STILL be evil. The Koran would be evil EVEN IF NO Muslims existed on the face of the earth.

    This is because the beliefs and values which the Koran expresses are inherently evil and hateful and spiteful. The Koran describes Allah as a capricious being who damns and blesses whoever he feels like, and intentionally deceives the majority of "unbelievers", stopping their ears, blinding their eyes, MOCKING THEM, and consigning them to eternal torture with no hope of reform, while the righteous slop like pigs at a trough in a paradise of rivers of wine, and unlimited sexual pleasures with supernatural Houri virgins.

    Any religion that portrays God in this fashion is evil and monstrous.

    ISLAMIC HELL-TORTURE CHAMBER FOR UNBELIEVERS

    This article describes the Islamic Hell or Jahannum which was an imagination of Prophet Mohammed used primarily for two reasons:

    To have a torture chamber for all the kafirs (unbelievers and people of other religions)

    To terrorize people into accepting Islam.

    The purpose of Hell in Islam is not to punish the Muslim wrong-doers. Because, for them Mohammed will recommend paradise, beautiful virgins and young boys on the Day of Judgment. His recommendation is final and Allah cannot deny it. It is available to all murderers, rapists, arsonists, cheats, thugs, pickpockets and pimps provided they are following Islam.

    On the contrary, a flaming Hell is reserved only for all Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians, no matter how pious and God-fearing they may have been.

    This article is divided in two sections. The first section deals with the brutal instructions Prophet Mohammed gives to his followers about Kafirs and how to torture, maim and murder them ruthlessly.

    The second section explains the various procedures devised by Prophet Mohammed's sick imagination for torturing people of other religions in Hell.

    Instructions to Muslims about Unbelievers

    Koran 9:29 Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility.

    So here Prophet Mohammed is instructing a true Muslim to fight people of other religions until the unbelievers debase themselves and pay tax for their existence. So the greatness of Islam is revealed only when followers of other religions are humiliated.

    Koran 8:12 Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them." Here Mohammed is giving step by step instruction on how to torture and kill Kafirs if they don't follow Islam.

    Koran 9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

    In the above verse Prophet Mohammed is clearly instructing his followers to kill the idolaters in any brutal way possible until the idolaters submit themselves to Islam. Allah is indeed merciful !!

    Koran 9:73 Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their Home: an evil fate.

    Here Mohammed is trying to justify his brutal acts. He conveniently claims divine justification for the expression of his hatred by saying Allah himself revealed to him personally that people of other religions are evil and belong in Hell. Therefore, according to Mohammed any barbaric act against the unbelievers is completely justified.

    Koran 4:144 Believers, do not choose the unbelievers rather than the faithful as your friends. Would you give Allah a clear proof against yourselves ?

    This verse clearly states that a Muslim can only befriend a Muslim. Mohammed in order to ensure that his followers will not befriend and get influenced by people of other religions, revealed this verse. This verse illustrates that if a Muslim befriends a Non-Muslim than the wrath of Allah will be on him. Therefore in Islam, people of other religions should be treated with contempt,disrespect and cruelty.

    Koran 47:4 When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom from them, until War shall lay down her burdens.

    In the above verse, Mohammed is giving detailed instruction about how to maim and torture unbelievers in Jihad. And finally when the Muslims are satisfied enough after torturing and maiming the unbelievers, they should proceed to demand ransom for the captives. All for the sake for all-merciful Allah !!

    Koran 5:33-34 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that

    Allah is Forgiving, merciful.

    In this verse, Mohammed devises another recipe for torturing unbelievers. This particular recipe involves chopping off alternate limbs and expelling the Kafirs (people following other religions) out of the land.

    Instructions to Muslims regarding Christians and Jews

    Prophet Mohammed has reserved special position for certain sects of Unbelievers in his so called "Holy Book" Koran. Those unbelievers are none other than followers of Christianity and Judaism. I have selected few verses from Koran to display what Muslims are taught and instructed as far as treating Christians and Jews is concerned.

    Koran 5:51 Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrong-doers.

    In this verse Prophet Mohammed is clearly instructing his followers never to befriend a Christian or a Jew. Because if they take a Christian or a Jew as a friend, they will commit a wrong deed and Allah's wrath will be on them.

    Koran 5:57 Believers, do not seek the friendship of the infidels and those who were given the Book before you, who have made your religion a jest and a pastime... Here "those who were given the Book before you" refers to Christians and Jews. Once again Mohammed is warning Muslims of all time never to befriend a Christian or a Jew.

    Koran 5:64The Jews say: 'God's hand is chained.' May their own hands be chained! May they be cursed for what they say!... In the above verse Prophet Mohammed is showing his deep respect for the Jews.

    Koran 9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued.

    Here 'People of the Book' refers to Christians and Jews. The 'Religion Of Truth' refers to Islam. So in the above verse Prophet Mohammed is instructing Muslims to fight and torture Christians and Jews (who do not believe in Islamic version of God) until they pay tax to Muslims for their existence. Muslims are also strictly instructed to make the Christians and Jews feel 'subdued'. Allah is truly benign !!!

    Koran 9:30 The Jews call 'Uzayr-a son of God', and the Christians call 'Christ the Son Of God'. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth.

    Here Prophet Mohammed is wishing that Allah's curse be on Jews and Christians. And what did the Christians and Jews do for such special favour from Allah ? All they did is that out of respect and love, they called their Prophets 'son of God'.

    Islamic Hell and Unbelievers

    Now we will enter the Islamic Hell brought into existence by Mohammed's hallucination and weird imagination.

    Koran 98:1-8 The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.

    Here "People of The Book" refers to Christians and Jews. So according to Prophet Mohammed, Christians, Jews and pagans are the vilest of all creatures in the world. Islam in deed holds a high respect for people of other religions !!

    Koran 22:19-22:23 Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: 'Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'

    Here Mohammed has imagined vividly how people of other religions will be punished in Hell. By his sick and disgusting imagination, he is trying to make sure that people of other religions convert to Islam out of sheer terror of Hell. And if this terror doesn't work, then the Muslims are always instructed to convert unbelievers to Islam brutally by force in Jihad.

    Koran 18:28-30 For the wrongdoers We have prepared a fire which will encompass them like the walls of a pavilion. When they cry out for help they shall be showered with water as hot as molten brass, which will scald their faces. Evil shall be their drink, dismal their resting-place.

    Who are the "wrong-doers" here ? None other than the people who DO NOT follow Islam. So Prophet Mohammed here continues with his hallucination and gives the description of Islamic Hell in the form of a revelation.

    Koran 40:67-40:73 Do you not see how those who dispute the revelation of God turn away from the right path ? Those who have denied the Book and the message We sent through Our apostles shall realize the truth hereafter: when, with chains and shackles round their necks, they shall be dragged through scalding water and then burnt in the fire of Hell.

    Prophet Mohammed here explains what will happen to those people who choose NOT to follow his revelation "Quran"- a manual of *******, rape and murder. So for people of other religions following scriptures other than Quran, Allah has pre-planned punishment. First they shall be dragged through scalding water with chains around their necks and then they will be burnt in the fire of Hell. Allah is truly merciful !!

    Koran 43:74 ..The unbelievers shall endure forever the torment of Hell. The punishment will never be lightened, and they shall be speechless with despair. We do not wrong, themselves.

    Mohammed was not satisfied by just having burnt the unbelievers once in Hell. So here he is saying that the punishment is never-ending and people following other religions will be burnt in Hell forever.

    Koran 55:41-52 ..That is the Hell which the unbelievers deny. They shall wander between fire and water fiercely seething. Which of your Lord's blessing would you deny ?

    Koran 76:1-5 For the unbelievers We have prepared chains and fetters and a blazing Fire...

    Koran 73:12 We have in store for the unbelievers heavy fetters and a blazing fire, choking food and harrowing torment: on the day when the earth shall quiver with all its mountains, and the mountains crumble into heaps of shifting sand.

    Once again, in the above verses, Mohammed is emphasizing that heavy fetters, choking food and hell fire are in store for the unbelievers while the Muslims enjoy the beautiful virgins and young boys in Islamic Paradise.

    Koran 77:20-77:50 Woe on that day to the disbelievers! Begone to the Hell which you deny! Depart into the shadow that will rise high in three columns, giving neither shade nor shelter from the flames, and throwing up sparks as huge as towers, as bright as yellow camels...Eat and enjoy yourselves awhile. You are wicked men..."

    In the above verse, Prophet Mohammed is making sure that the people of other religions do not get any shade or shelter when they are burnt up in the Islamic Hell. Allah is also revealing to him that all people other than Muslims are basically wicked in nature.

    Koran 8:73 The unbelievers give aid and comfort to each other. If you fail to do likewise, there will be disorder in the land and great corruption.

    The Great Mohammed divided the Arabian society in two tight compartments: Momins and Kafirs. The word momin means believer in Mohammed and Allah. In contrast a kafir is a non-believer. The momins did not have to be better men than the Kafirs in terms of character or consciousness. Momins had only to recite the Kalima (incantation)- "there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his Prophet." By doing that the 'momins' become qualified to kill as many kafirs as they could or pleased, looting and burning their belongings and enslaving their women and children in the process. In the above verse, Prophet Mohammed once again is telling his followers to help each other in banning up against unbelievers (people of other religions)

    Koran 21:96-21:101 ..The unbelievers shall stare in amazement, crying: 'Woe to us! Of this we have been heedless. We have done wrong.' You and your idols shall be the fuel of Hell; therein you sall all go down.

    This verse is another instance which displays the deep respect Islam shows towards other religions. Here Prophet Mohammed is stating that people who choose to represent God by idols will be burnt in hell along with their idols. Islam is truly compassionate towards other religions !!

    Koran 33:7-12 ...But for the unbelievers He has prepared a woeful punishment... Here, we find the same old blabbering by Mohammed once again regarding how unbelievers will be punished.

    Koran 44:40-49 ..The fruit of the Zaqqum tree shall be the unbelievers's fruit. Like dregs of oil, like scalding water, it shall simmer in his belly. A voice will cry: 'Seize him and drag him into the depths of Hell. Then pour out scalding water over his head, saying: "Taste this, illustrious and honorable man! This is the punishment which you have doubted."

    Koran 52:1-52:15 ..On that day they shall be sternly thrown into the fire of Hell, and a voice will say to them: 'This is the Fire which you denied...Burn in its flames. It is the same whether or not you show forbearance. You shall be rewarded according to your deeds.'

    Koran 31-37 And burn ye him in the blazing fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits. This was he that would not believe in allah Most high and would not encourage the feeding of the indignant. So no friend hath he here this day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds.

    Koran 56:52-56 Ye shall surely taste of the tree Zaqqum. Then will ye fill your insides therewith, and drink boiling water on top of it. Indeed ye shall drink like diseased camels raging with thirst. Such will be their entertainment on the day of Requital!

    Koran 69:30-37 We shall say: 'Lay hold of him and bind him. Burn him in the fire of Hell, then fasten him with a chain seventy cubits long. For he did not believe Allah the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Today he shall be friendless here; filth shall be his food, the filth which sinners eat...

    The above five verses contain detail description of various kinds of punishments people of other religions will undergo in Islamic Hell. They display the true respect Prophet Mohammed had for people who were not following Islam. And through these verses, Koran (the manual for *******, rape and murder) which is treated as a timeless scripture by Muslims, teaches how lowly people of other religions should be treated by Muslims regardless of time or space.

    Koran 2:39 Those who reject faith shall be the companions of the Fire.

    Koran 2:89-90 The curse of Allah is on the unbelievers... humiliating is the punishment.

    Koran 13:13 ..He hurls his thunderbolts at whom he pleases Yet the unbelievers wrangle about Allah..

    Koran 58:5 Those who resist Allah and his messenger will be humbled to dust.

    Koran 70:15-16 The fire of Hell will pluck out his being right to the skull..

    Koran 5:10 As for those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, they are the heirs of Hell.

    The summary of the above six verses is that a person following any religion other than Islam, is automatically assigned to Hell. His good thoughts, good actions or piety are of no value until and unless he follows Islam. So if in this life, a person does not follow Islam and does not believe in Islamic scripture, Allah will store Hell-Fire, Hot water, Molten brass, thunderbolts and other humiliating punishments in the life hereafter for him.

    Koran 70:39 We have created the unbelievers out of base matters.

    So here Prophet Mohammed claims that all the people of other religions are basically useless and evil because they are made up of base matters. But the same people become Allah's favorite and become capable of earning Houris and young boys when they convert to Islam.

    It is fascinating to observe that nowhere in the Gita or Ramayan or Vedas or Upanisads or even Dhammapada of the Buddha, does one encounter threats against other paths or creeds.

    A book like the Bhagavad-gita seems like an owners-manual for the Soul.

    The Koran is filled with hate and threats on every page, and very little that is really spiritual. The entire reward for being a devout Muslim is described as an eternity of rivers of wine and sex with supernatural Houris.

    The Koran seems to be an instruction manual for murderers, looters, terrorists, bigots, tyrants, and oppressors.

    Why does Allah and his Prophet Mohammed not like Music?

    We read in the Book of Samuel (1 Samuel 16:23) "And it came to apss, when the EVIL SPIRIT from God was upon Saul, that David took as harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.

    According to the Old Testament Scriptures, devils and evil spirits do not like music and Psalms, and are driven away by them. Perhaps it was this same kind of evil spirit, devil who visited Mohammed in the cave, and called himself Allah, pretending to be God.

    This would explain why there is no music in the Koran.



    READ the whole thing before posting or replying.

    ORIGINAL SOURCE: Why is there no Music or Songs in the Koran? - Page 186
    The Koran is Inherently Evil - Page 185

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    copypasta+edit ftw?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hemp View Post
    copypasta+edit ftw?
    Lol, ikr copy paste, notice how it says the "unbelievers", Christians + Jews = Believers but believe in different historic changes.

    Just give me the permission, and i will make a post on all the 200 times the bible uses the word "sword" and the 400+ times it uses the word "kill" and ill also add:

    ISLAMIC HELL-TORTURE CHAMBER FOR UNBELIEVERS

    To have a torture chamber for all the kafirs (unbelievers and people of other religions)
    -Christians believe in a river of Lava in hell, for people who dont follow Jesus christ-

    LOL! your one UNeducated idiot, who clearly has never opened the Quran, what does unbeliever mean? Any true christian will know it means "unbelieving in god"..
    So do christian believe in a God? do Jews believe in a God? we all believe in a God, the only differents is that we label our self differently, like "Jews, Christian, Muslim"..

    your not fit enough to be Christian if you go around copy and pasting, its Just..SAD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    Lol, ikr copy paste, notice how it says the "unbelievers", Christians + Jews = Believers but believe in different historic changes.

    Just give me the permission, and i will make a post on all the 200 times the bible uses the word "sword" and the 400+ times it uses the word "kill" and ill also add:

    -Christians believe in a river of Lava in hell, for people who dont follow Jesus christ-

    LOL! your one UNeducated idiot, who clearly has never opened the Quran, what does unbeliever mean? Any true christian will know it means "unbelieving in god"..
    So do christian believe in a God? do Jews believe in a God? we all believe in a God, the only differents is that we label our self differently, like "Jews, Christian, Muslim"..

    your not fit enough to be Christian if you go around copy and pasting, its Just..SAD.
    Just goes to show how religions are way to violent

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    tl;dr. You are the one who is evil. I bet that you have copy pasted this from an anti islam website.

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    Nice post 1337, I'm currently studying with 2 former Muslims that have coverted to Christianity, and we've actually been talking a lot about some of the passages you posted. The great thing about it, is that they both know Arabic,because it is their first language, so I will have first hand transcription, something that my true studies of the Qur'ran were lacking. Should have my thesis done within a couple weeks or so,
    It's basically about how there is actually many inconsitencies in the Qur'ran despite how many Muslims deem it flawless literature of God's word.

    I'll share when it is complete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Nice post 1337, I'm currently studying with 2 former Muslims that have coverted to Christianity, and we've actually been talking a lot about some of the passages you posted. The great thing about it, is that they both know Arabic,because it is their first language, so I will have first hand transcription, something that my true studies of the Qur'ran were lacking. Should have my thesis done within a couple weeks or so,
    It's basically about how there is actually many inconsitencies in the Qur'ran despite how many Muslims deem it flawless literature of God's word.

    I'll share when it is complete.
    I can bring you 10+ EX-Christian pastors who are now Muslim scholars who will explain these verses better then you can.
    Listen, a verse on its own makes no sense, a verse with the whole passage[surah] makes sense.

    Ex-Christian pastors who are now Popular Muslim scholars:

    Abdul raheem green [Ex christian pastor - Muslim scholar] This man is one of the most famous debaters who has proven His own former religion (Christianity) wrong many times! ]] YouTube - abdul raheem green
    yusuf estes [Connects to young people -teens] Yusuf Estes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    yusuf Islam [CAT STEVENS - Famous] Cat Stevens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    khalid yasin [EX- Christian pastor] Khalid Yasin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    ALL OF THESE ARE EX- CHRISTIAN PASTORS.
    I would bring more, Just ask.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coeus View Post
    Just goes to show how religions are way to violent
    Islam and true followers of Judaism agree we worship the same God, Christian just like being "special" and declaring they pray to a different God. but i can contradict the trinity, and bet NO christian here can answer the questions i give.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    Islam and true followers of Judaism agree we worship the same God, Christian just like being "special" and declaring they pray to a different God. but i can contradict the trinity, and bet NO christian here can answer the questions i give.
    Does the Bible explicitly say that Allah and God are two different "entities"? As for the Trinity, not every Christian understands it the same way /

    Trinity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coeus View Post
    Does the Bible explicitly say that Allah and God are two different "entities"? As for the Trinity, not every Christian understands it the same way /

    Trinity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Thats the point, if Christians had a true faith, it would be easy for a 4year old to understand, but adults struggle with the trinity, why would god make something so complicated that adults wont get it? god has made things easy to understand but its which path you take.

    Christianity will take you to the trinity, then there several options, and one of those options is to finaly understand god would never make something so complicated.

    As for the Quran and torah its easy for a 2year old to understand. but the torah has been lost and corrupted, leaving the Quran last man standing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    Thats the point, if Christians had a true faith, it would be easy for a 4year old to understand, but adults struggle with the trinity, why would god make something so complicated that adults wont get it? god has made things easy to understand but its which path you take.

    Christianity will take you to the trinity, then there several options, and one of those options is to finaly understand god would never make something so complicated.

    As for the Quran and torah its easy for a 2year old to understand. but the torah has been lost and corrupted, leaving the Quran last man standing.
    meh,it didn't.
    it's hard to understand because when the barbarians took over Rome,and made the Pope a pawn,they changed a lot of stuff in their beliefs,the western church.
    After the schism,the beliefs changed,due to filioque.
    then again,the western church was shattered once more by the Protestants,and for a good reason.
    That's why the Christians are divided in Orthodoxs,Catholics and Protestants,and that's why it's so hard to understand God right now,my friend.Some parts of teachings have been lost,others were forced to change...
    The 'unedited' faith is the Orthodox one,the one Russians,Greeks,Serbians,Bulgarians and other Slavs follow.
    As for the Catholics,they still stand by reducing the importance of the Holy Spirit,therefore shattering the Trinity.
    As for Protestants,they had every right to break off the Catholics with those dirty greedy Popes(at least some of them,not all) they elected and still elect
    The smaller 'parties' of Christians,like the Mormons...well I don't know,never wondered or researched
    apart from Jehova's witnesses,who don't even know what they are,and expect us to understand
    and of course there are the Heresies,mostly made for political and economical reasons,rather than not believing some things(eg the Heresies of 4th to 7th century ad at Syria,Palestine and Egypt,mostly made because they didn't like how Byzantines treated them )
    Christianism is too bloody complicated.

    BUT!
    Quran isn't easy to understand,and it didn't have successful heresies as far as I know.
    yet,if you and lies say is true(I haven't read all of Quran,not enough time :P ),like 80% of the Muslims in the world do not understand the teachings of the Quran,especially about equality of the sexes,holy war crap,and the heaven of warriors :P
    If they did,they wouldn't kill raped women,as if they commited a crime.
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    Lol..Muslims don't worship the same God. Period.

    The Qur'an has all types of vile abominations that are AGAINST, God's will.
    There are plenty of things that I will show you that ALLAH commands,
    that are directly opposite of what the Torah and Bible teaches.
    Anyone that listens to Visible or Lies,
    or really any Muslim making these absurd claims about how perfect the Qur'ran is,
    and how they follow the same God as Christians or Jews are fools.
    It's as simple as comparing scripture, and I will accurately depict all of this very soon.

    Btw, I lol'ed at visible posting his Christian converts..
    big deal..do you realize how many people all together denounce their former beliefs a year? I wasn't talking about Former Muslims that have turned Christian to throw it in in a Muslim's face, I was explaining that I will learn the Qur'ran from people that have actually studied it,Know Arabic, and have the maturity to not take a biased religious view while relaying information to me. *shakes head* The stupidity never ceases to amaze me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casavir View Post
    meh,it didn't.
    it's hard to understand because when the barbarians took over Rome,and made the Pope a pawn,they changed a lot of stuff in their beliefs,the western church.
    After the schism,the beliefs changed,due to filioque.
    then again,the western church was shattered once more by the Protestants,and for a good reason.
    That's why the Christians are divided in Orthodoxs,Catholics and Protestants,and that's why it's so hard to understand God right now,my friend.Some parts of teachings have been lost,others were forced to change...
    The 'unedited' faith is the Orthodox one,the one Russians,Greeks,Serbians,Bulgarians and other Slavs follow.
    As for the Catholics,they still stand by reducing the importance of the Holy Spirit,therefore shattering the Trinity.
    As for Protestants,they had every right to break off the Catholics with those dirty greedy Popes(at least some of them,not all) they elected and still elect
    The smaller 'parties' of Christians,like the Mormons...well I don't know,never wondered or researched
    apart from Jehova's witnesses,who don't even know what they are,and expect us to understand
    and of course there are the Heresies,mostly made for political and economical reasons,rather than not believing some things(eg the Heresies of 4th to 7th century ad at Syria,Palestine and Egypt,mostly made because they didn't like how Byzantines treated them )
    Christianism is too bloody complicated.

    BUT!
    Quran isn't easy to understand,and it didn't have successful heresies as far as I know.
    yet,if you and lies say is true(I haven't read all of Quran,not enough time :P ),like 80% of the Muslims in the world do not understand the teachings of the Quran,especially about equality of the sexes,holy war crap,and the heaven of warriors :P
    If they did,they wouldn't kill raped women,as if they commited a crime.
    The quran tells us about corrupt scholars, and the highest scholars accept there are many false scholars.

    Hamas = freedom fighters who got greedy with power.
    Taliban = Believe taking things to extreme is more chance of entering heaven. FALSE.

    But they dont believe in a different meaning of the Quran, from what i know men in Islam dont rape women, or commit crime, how could u do this and be Muslim, its impossible because to be Muslim you shouldn't do this, therefore there not Muslim.

    HERES AN EXAMPLE:
    The prophet mohammed pbuh told us to Always eat sitting down...Many muslims didn't understand this until 2years ago scientists discovered eating standing up or lying down damages your internal organs, such as heartburn and digestive problems.



    Theres more women comming to Islam then men, this proves our rules for women is agreeable with women.
    Many think women like to half dress, walk in high heals, ect.. women do this to please men and thats all. but in Islam, women dont need to please men to get men to accept them. there accepted anyway.


    Listen to this man:


    He is an ex-christian scholar student, now a muslim scholar student teaching how The bible leads to Islam.


    Collect all the bibles in the world, you come up with something else.
    Collect all the qurans in the world, you come up with the same thing.
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    I lol'ed at this thread Mr.1337 you sir fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    The quran tells us about corrupt scholars, and the highest scholars accept there are many false scholars.

    Hamas = freedom fighters who got greedy with power.
    Taliban = Believe taking things to extreme is more chance of entering heaven. FALSE.

    But they dont believe in a different meaning of the Quran, from what i know men in Islam dont rape women, or commit crime, how could u do this and be Muslim, its impossible because to be Muslim you shouldn't do this, therefore there not Muslim.
    Agreed, everything can be misinterpreted and abused, religion isn't even the worst I've seen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    The prophet mohammed pbuh told us to Always eat sitting down...Many muslims didn't understand this until 2years ago scientists discovered eating standing up or lying down damages your internal organs, such as heartburn and digestive problems.

    Theres more women comming to Islam then men, this proves our rules for women is agreeable with women.
    Many think women like to half dress, walk in high heals, ect.. women do this to please men and thats all. but in Islam, women dont need to please men to get men to accept them. there accepted anyway.
    This doesn't directly prove the Qur'an right or just, many religions have such wise advice (though from the religious books I've read the Qur'an has the most, some which I even didn't realize at first).

    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    Collect all the bibles in the world, you come up with something else.
    Collect all the qurans in the world, you come up with the same thing.
    As said, you can collect the bibles from a certain set of Christians and you'll get the same thing - Christianity is split up.

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