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    Quran verse? or lies.

    This thread will show how people can simply change a quran verse into a quran "satanic verse".

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    [2:96] In fact, you will find them the most covetous of life; even more so than the idol worshipers. The one of them wishes to live a thousand years. But this will not spare him any retribution, no matter how long he lives. GOD is seer of everything they do.

    Im sick of people /Non Muslim\ Translating "Idol worshippers" as "Jews or Christians", if you dont speak Arabic then dont comment on how the Quran is written. if you do, then you well know "kafir" means pagans. i.e Idol worshippers.

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    [60:8] GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable.

    [60:9] GOD enjoins you only from befriending those who fight you because of religion, evict you from your homes, and band together with others to banish you. You shall not befriend them. Those who befriend them are the transgressors.

    I personally LOVE these 2 verses because it tells us to befriend all people, but what other religions translate only /[60:9]\ without showing /[60:8]\.

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    [2:191] You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you. Oppression is worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Sacred Masjid, unless they attack you therein. If they attack you, you may kill them. This is the just retribution for those disbelievers.

    Once again, how people translate it as /"Kill the disbelievers"\ without showing the whole verse...it makes sense to retaliate.

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    [3:151] We will throw terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, since they set up besides GOD powerless idols. Their destiny is Hell; what a miserable abode for the transgressors!

    /"We"\ in arabic is singular for /"I"\ throwing terror into the hearts of disbelievers = Hell fire. and this is a reward for disbelieving in God, what do you expect a party for you in Heaven? Many people translate this as /"[3:151] throw terror into the hearts of disbelievers"\ but not the whole verse.

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    [4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies.

    This is talking about /WAR\ not streets, this verse informs us not to trust soldiers of the opposed army in religious war as they want you to believe what they believe, read how it says /"Kill them when you encounter them in WAR"\.


    Conclusion:

    I can gather much more, but /LISTEN\ Allah uses the word "HELL" many times in the Quran because of His love for his people, and he is warning us that if we don't follow the creed. the creed wont follow us. hell is your destiny.


    ><Aim: Religious scholarship in Christianity, Judaism, Islam.><

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    You are making an argument against yourself, cool story bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrightnezz View Post
    You are making an argument against yourself, cool story bro.
    Why is it all my threads you have to be there? kid F*** off i mean seriously, your all post count.

    This is @Kids who try to qoute the quran off topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrightnezz View Post
    You are making an argument against yourself, cool story bro.
    He's explaining misquoted and misused verses, how is he making an argument against himself here?

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    Because his whole thing is "didn't show the whole verse"

    But he doesn't put the whole verse either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrightnezz View Post
    Because his whole thing is "didn't show the whole verse"

    But he doesn't put the whole verse either.
    I dont put the whole verse!?

    tell you what, go outside, buy a quran, kiss it, then open it, then read the verses i qouted. but theres a special quran for you its half way across the world go get it.

    -[Hope he believed me wont be seeing him for a while ]-

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrightnezz View Post
    Because his whole thing is "didn't show the whole verse"

    But he doesn't put the whole verse either.
    He never said he would, he just mentioned that a quote is being used out of context and gave it context, he explained the rest /

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coeus View Post
    He never said he would, he just mentioned that a quote is being used out of context and gave it context, he explained the rest /
    Yeah your missing the point, his authority on the subject is just as much as the guy who misquotes it.

    So he says "this means blue"

    Another guy says "this means red"

    All in all, you have to agree with what he says, which in all fairness, it should be your own interpretation, no one else's.

    I can interpret it to mean godzilla is awesome, its all really just relying on the person who said it.

    And since the person is visible(of all people), i wouldn't trust the guy. He of all people on this section has the least credibility.
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    In short: just read it and find out for yourself, if you try and just take the shortcut, it won't work. If you follow either side, all you have are either sides ideas, and not your own.
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    Oh and the argument against himself is this:

    Visible says: Here is what people misquote.
    -No one had misquoted that.
    Visible says: This is what it means
    -To the argument he made up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrightnezz View Post
    Yeah your missing the point, his authority on the subject is just as much as the guy who misquotes it.

    So he says "this means blue"

    Another guy says "this means red"

    All in all, you have to agree with what he says, which in all fairness, it should be your own interpretation, no one else's.

    I can interpret it to mean godzilla is awesome, its all really just relying on the person who said it.

    And since the person is visible(of all people), i wouldn't trust the guy. He of all people on this section has the least credibility.
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    In short: just read it and find out for yourself, if you try and just take the shortcut, it won't work. If you follow either side, all you have are either sides ideas, and not your own.
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    Oh and the argument against himself is this:

    Visible says: Here is what people misquote.
    -No one had misquoted that.
    Visible says: This is what it means
    -To the argument he made up.

    1- Im talking in general.

    2-Not my interpretation -yusuf Islam, yusuf estes- interpretation so you failed. and these 2 are scholars.

    3- Im the least credible? let the amount of "thanks" speak for it self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    1- Im talking in general.

    2-Not my interpretation -yusuf Islam, yusuf estes- interpretation so you failed. and these 2 are scholars.

    3- Im the least credible? let the amount of "thanks" speak for it self.
    Not really, they are your interpretations as they are your own words.

    And thanks recieved? Wow, besides the obvious idea of making alts, you could just post 1 thing useful in the hack sections and get 100's of thanks.(regardless if it was useful in the end)

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    Well I would still trust his interpretation of his religion more than that of whatever you may be, Empire (?).

    Personally I haven't yet managed to finish the Qur'an, I kinda got stuch with too much school work (writing an essay as we speak).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coeus View Post
    Well I would still trust his interpretation of his religion more than that of whatever you may be, Empire (?).

    Personally I haven't yet managed to finish the Qur'an, I kinda got stuch with too much school work (writing an essay as we speak).
    Always trust your own interpretation, not some jack-off on the internet, simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrightnezz View Post
    Always trust your own interpretation, not some jack-off on the internet, simple as that.
    Let me say this again.

    yusuf islam + yusuf estes = Interpretation and both are ex Christian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post

    /"We"\ in arabic is singular for /"I"\ throwing terror into the hearts of disbelievers = Hell fire. and this is a reward for disbelieving in God, what do you expect a party for you in Heaven? Many people translate this as /"[3:151] throw terror into the hearts of disbelievers"\ but not the whole verse.

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    That is yusuf's??? He really said that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrightnezz View Post
    That is yusuf's??? He really said that?
    Oh i thought your on about the qouting of quran, yusuf qoutes the Quran in English.

    I established what many Anti islamist use against Muslims from that verse and showed the whole verse to uncover the truth behind the verse.

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