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    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    1- you didn't answer my freaking question.

    2- Hafs and warsh are the same. its Just different arabic translations, not "versions" like the bible has.

    e.g

    HAFS = "yaquula" = he says/he said.
    WARSH = "yaquulu" = he says/he said.

    __

    HAFS = "ataytukum" = we gave to you/i gave to you.
    WARSH = "ataynukum" = we gave to you/i gave to you.

    See the difference? its the translation, words with same meaning giving it the same thing.

    Unlike the bible where 1 qoute can differ another qoute, the quran doesn't do this.

    HAFS and WARSH are same languages with different accent, one from medina and other from mekkah

    _________

    Theres 4 different main Qurans:

    Hafs
    Warsh
    Al-Duri
    Qalun

    But guess what. there not different at all, there Different arabic translations.

    (Example)
    Moroccan arabic is different then arabian arabic, which is different then tunisian arabic.

    But these Qurans are different arabic translations for these different arabic languages.

    NOT DIFFERENT VERSIONS LIKE THE BIBLE.


    ANSWER THE QUESTION I QOUTED ABOVE! why make lies on the qoutes you make? afraid of the truth?

    One quote above another quote?
    Retard show me where there is a huge,
    substantial difference in meanings within any quote in the BIBLE.
    There isn't.

    I can write a whole page about the Qu'ran and it's text flaws,
    dialect flaws, and yes even your own scholoars argued amongst eachother on what to keep and omit.

    what question? I already answered it..I said you're multi quoting from different versions of the Qur'an. Bottom line= Terroists are right. They follow the Qu'ran correctly, because Tolerance is canceled out, where Jihad is clearly more important to Muslims, and not peace.Btw..you seem mad bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coeus View Post
    What about that, Visible?
    Didn't you notice the "no proof" on his post? /yea


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    And terrorist are right?
    Ok typical biased christian, lets see if im right or wrong. ill be posting a thread on peace and war in Islam, but wont include anything to do with christians as it Just keeps going back'n'forth...and starts arguement.

    How about we Just stop argueing about Islam & Christianity, Cause:

    1-Distracts me from revising.
    2-My eyes arn't getting any better.
    3-It contrasts on us claiming our own religion is peaceful.

    Its like this,

    "My religion is peaceful!"
    "No my religion is peaceful!"
    "Agree with me or burn in hell!!"
    "No ur the one to burn in hell lier!"

    ...And so on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    Didn't you notice the "no proof" on his post? /yea


    @ethreal
    And terrorist are right?
    Ok typical biased christian, lets see if im right or wrong. ill be posting a thread on peace and war in Islam, but wont include anything to do with christians as it Just keeps going back'n'forth...and starts arguement.

    How about we Just stop argueing about Islam & Christianity, Cause:

    1-Distracts me from revising.
    2-My eyes arn't getting any better.
    3-It contrasts on us claiming our own religion is peaceful.

    Its like this,

    "My religion is peaceful!"
    "No my religion is peaceful!"
    "Agree with me or burn in hell!!"
    "No ur the one to burn in hell lier!"

    ...And so on...
    Ok,ok..
    I have a non-confrontational question for you.
    So I think we can both agree that some past Islamic scholars,
    readers, and transmitters had their own interpretations
    about Qur'anic teaching.

    So to break it down, on one side we have the diligent extreme
    Muslims that follow the Mujahideen path,
    and on the other side, we have those that followed the more Tolerant teachings of the Prophet Muhammed.
    Now this leaves a conflict within the Muslim infrastructure,
    because each side claims that they are fundamentally correct in the way they follow the Qur'an.

    I guess my main question is this.
    I see you as a peaceful Muslim,

    But who is to say which is the correct way to follow,
    when the last two verses of the Sura really leave things up in the air? Why is your way of following correct, and the other way wrong?

    I just want your stance on the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Ok,ok..
    I have a non-confrontational question for you.
    So I think we can both agree that some past Islamic scholars,
    readers, and transmitters had their own interpretations
    about Qur'anic teaching.

    So to break it down, on one side we have the diligent extreme
    Muslims that follow the Mujahideen path,
    and on the other side, we have those that followed the more Tolerant teachings of the Prophet Muhammed.
    Now this leaves a conflict within the Muslim infrastructure,
    because each side claims that they are fundamentally correct in the way they follow the Qur'an.

    I guess my main question is this.
    I see you as a peaceful Muslim,

    But who is to say which is the correct way to follow,
    when the last two verses of the Sura really leave things up in the air? Why is your way of following correct, and the other way wrong?

    I just want your stance on the situation.
    Last 2 verses of what? "sura" = passage theres many passages in the Quran o.O

    I think you mean "The cow" ? "surah baqarah"?

    [Quran 2:285] The Apostle believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in God, His angels, His books, and His apostles. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His apostles." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, Our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."

    [Quran 2:286] On no soul doth God place a burden greater than it can bear. It gets every good that it earns, and it suffers every ill that it earns. (Pray): "Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget or fall into error; Our Lord! Lay not on us a burden like that which Thou didst lay on those before us; Our Lord! Lay not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Blot out our sins, and grant us forgiveness. Have mercy on us. Thou art our Protector; Help us against those who stand against faith."

    I dont think i can truly know what your on about and your point.

    ________
    On the other hand, the only sect in Islam [Btw its haram in Islam to make sects, yet there are many of them..] that commits terror is wahabi, and salafi. these 2 sects grow in extreme areas like Afghanistan, Iraq ect.

    Theres 2 reasons for this:

    1- The Quran interpretation is understood by them, but when they see there country being attacked there brain skips to the opposite interpretation which is fighting terror, with terror.

    2- Ok, imagine i tell you:
    "Dont fight those, unless they attack you, but only if they dont agree to peace".

    But then a war breaks out, and your family die, the word "peace" doesn't exist in your head no more. you become "mafia" like, a family for a family, a son for a son...

    your family got killed, your out to kill there family.

    Hard to explain.

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    I suggest you watch this scholar, who is professional with degrees


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    Not like the degrees are really that hard to get ;/


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post
    Not like the degrees are really that hard to get ;/
    But still you have to study, and a degree is a confirmation of knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post
    Not like the degrees are really that hard to get ;/
    Not hard? ok go get one, learn the bible of by heart, oops i mean the bible'S. and the Quran and torah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    Ethereal

    I suggest you watch this scholar, who is professional with degrees

    YouTube - Debate Islam Vs christianity #2
    Why would I watch something that is just going to try and discredit my whole belief system? Not interested, but I appreciate the thought.

    Look..bottom line. The New testament never spoke of another prophet other than a false coming after Christ. This is a huge reason why Christians and Muslims are not, or will ever be on the same page when it comes to our faith.
    We can both bring the same arguments to eachother about what we believe in, guess where it gets us? Right back to the beginning..it will never progress,
    it will never flourish into some new enlightenment where we suddenly start believing each others Holy books. Does this mean you and I can't get along?
    Of course not, I don't hold anything against you..do I agree with the majority of the stuff you post? Nah..not really..and it's likewise for you. Oh well..
    It's the internets big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Why would I watch something that is just going to try and discredit my whole belief system? Not interested, but I appreciate the thought.

    Look..bottom line. The New testament never spoke of another prophet other than a false coming after Christ. This is a huge reason why Christians and Muslims are not, or will ever be on the same page when it comes to our faith.
    We can both bring the same arguments to eachother about what we believe in, guess where it gets us? Right back to the beginning..it will never progress,
    it will never flourish into some new enlightenment where we suddenly start believing each others Holy books. Does this mean you and I can't get along?
    Of course not, I don't hold anything against you..do I agree with the majority of the stuff you post? Nah..not really..and it's likewise for you. Oh well..
    It's the internets big deal.
    New testament speaks about the comforter who shall come when Jesus pbuh departs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwtog View Post
    New testament speaks about the comforter who shall come when Jesus pbuh departs.
    Yes, I understand that is what Muslims believe,
    but Christians believe the comforter is the Holy spirit.

    I was speaking of a prophet, which this is what Muhammad was labeled as.

    Edit: Sorry first line seemed a bit out of context after I read it.
    Christians believe in the Comforter as well,
    I was just assuming you were implying that Muhammad be the comforter,
    which according to early biographies on Muhammad's life, he did think he was the comforter,
    or at least made the claims to be so.
    Last edited by Ethereal; 11-13-2010 at 06:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Yes, I understand that is what Muslims believe,
    but Christians believe the comforter is the Holy spirit.

    I was speaking of a prophet, which this is what Muhammad was labeled as.

    Edit: Sorry first line seemed a bit out of context after I read it.
    Christians believe in the Comforter as well,
    I was just assuming you were implying that Muhammad be the comforter,
    which according to early biographies on Muhammad's life, he did think he was the comforter,
    or at least made the claims to be so.
    The false prophet is the anti-christ who still hasn't emerged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Yes, I understand that is what Muslims believe,
    but Christians believe the comforter is the Holy spirit.

    I was speaking of a prophet, which this is what Muhammad was labeled as.

    Edit: Sorry first line seemed a bit out of context after I read it.
    Christians believe in the Comforter as well,
    I was just assuming you were implying that Muhammad be the comforter,
    which according to early biographies on Muhammad's life, he did think he was the comforter,
    or at least made the claims to be so.

    But how can the holy spirit be the comforter? It says the comforter can only come if Jesus pbuh would depart from this world. But the Holy Spirit was already there when Jesus pbuh was there. So this comforter can't be refering to the Holy Spirit, it refers to Prophet Muhammad pbuh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwtog View Post
    But how can the holy spirit be the comforter? It says the comforter can only come if Jesus pbuh would depart from this world. But the Holy Spirit was already there when Jesus pbuh was there. So this comforter can't be refering to the Holy Spirit, it refers to Prophet Muhammad pbuh.
    When Jesus spoke these words in John it was His last ministerial time with His disciples prior to His death, crucifixion, and resurrection. Jesus is being very intimate with them. Understand then, when he speaks to them He is including them – these very disciples, specifically. These are the men He knew best and loved; they were His friends.

    John 14:16 — And I will ask the Father and He will give you another Comforter to be with you forever - the Spirit of Truth.

    The Comforter will be with these disciples forever. Jesus promised the Comforter would be with these disciples forever. Muhammad could not be the Comforter because he wasn't born until over 500 years later - following the deaths of these disciples. He was born around 570 and died around 632 AD.


    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    The false prophet is the anti-christ who still hasn't emerged.
    The unholy trinity being Satan, the anti-christ, and the false prophet
    were really given no specific order in when they would make their appearance,
    according to Revelations.
    Last edited by Ethereal; 11-13-2010 at 07:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    When Jesus spoke these words in John it was His last ministerial time with His disciples prior to His death, crucifixion, and resurrection. Jesus is being very intimate with them. Understand then, when he speaks to them He is including them – these very disciples, specifically. These are the men He knew best and loved; they were His friends.

    John 14:16 — And I will ask the Father and He will give you another Comforter to be with you forever - the Spirit of Truth.

    The Comforter will be with these disciples forever. Jesus promised the Comforter would be with these disciples forever. Muhammad could not be the Comforter because he wasn't born until over 500 years later - following the deaths of these disciples. He was born around 570 and died around 632 AD.




    The unholy trinity being Satan, the anti-christ, and the false prophet
    were really given no specific order in when they would make their appearance,
    according to Revelations.
    But if the Holy Spirit can only be sent if Jesus pbuh will depart, how can he be sent to be with them forever if he was already there?

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