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    Could you please explain it in a more detailed way ..
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    Insh ALLAH let us hate the western people because of our violent religion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lulz$ecurity View Post
    Insh ALLAH let us hate the western people because of our violent religion
    It's the people who are violent .. not the religion ..
    I've studied the Islamic religion and it isn't violent at all ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Symmetrical View Post
    It's the people who are violent .. not the religion ..
    I've studied the Islamic religion and it isn't violent at all ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Symmetrical View Post


    Could you please explain it in a more detailed way ..
    It's basically like the Christian teachings/ten commandments. It's a law of how to lead a perfect life and one day soon to reach Allah. Within the Sharia Laws there are a couple unforgiving Laws you can break which if you break, you'll never reach Allah (peace after death). A bit vague sorry.

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    It's the people who are violent .. not the religion ..
    I've studied the Islamic religion and it isn't violent at all ..
    Then you haven't studied hard enough. There's literally countless verses on revenge killing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post


    Then you haven't studied hard enough. There's literally countless verses on revenge killing.
    Yeah .. I don't really have a lot of knowledge about it ..
    Would you mind posting some of those verses .. ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Symmetrical View Post


    Yeah .. I don't really have a lot of knowledge about it ..
    Would you mind posting some of those verses .. ?
    Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

    This verse came after Muhammad and his followers relocated to Medina, where they were not under attack by the Meccans. It is speaking of how they are to act towards the native people of Medina.

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    Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."


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    Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."


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    Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."


    This vague verse is what basically drives the extremists.


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    Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"

    Basically says that Muslims that do not fight are not as good as ones that do.

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    Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

    --------

    Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you.

    --------

    Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"


    Open ended, does not specify whether war is "violent", allowing for misinterpretation.

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    Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"


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    Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

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    Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."


    --------

    Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."


    This verse refutes any claims of Islamic violence being used for self-defense. It says very clearly that the non-believers are to be attacked until they repent.

    --------

    Quran (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."


    Pretty straightforward.

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    Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"


    Hypocritical verse from the Qur'an on top of being violent. As much as all three religions are Abrahamic, Allah is NOT the same God that the Christians and Jews believe in.

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    Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."


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    There are dozens upon dozens more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lehsyrus View Post
    There are dozens upon dozens more.
    Wow ..
    Islam is violent ..
    The word Islam means "Peace" yet in the religion it encourages the believers to Fight the unbelievers mercilessly ..
    Ironic isn't it ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Symmetrical View Post


    Wow ..
    Islam is violent ..
    The word Islam means "Peace" yet in the religion it encourages the believers to Fight the unbelievers mercilessly ..
    Ironic isn't it ..
    Very ironic. Normally violence in religion isn't really looked upon (unless there's a dickhole atheist who wants to freak out without understanding the religon), such as in the Old Testament (or the Torah in Judaism). The reason is the violence coincides with the time period, and is very closed-ended. However in the Qur'an, the violence is open-ended, and is not dictated by the time period, allowing for various interpretations to keep said violence even in today's world/time. This is why I refute Islam so strongly, it contradicts itself consistently, which doesn't make any sense. That and tje Qur'an was written thirty years after Muhammad's death, as well Muhammad was supposedly the "only" prophet to be speaking of Islam whereas in the other Abrahamic religions the scripts were created by people over the course of a thousand years or more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Symmetrical View Post


    It's the people who are violent .. not the religion ..
    I've studied the Islamic religion and it isn't violent at all ..
    Yeh you're right all people must do as you , the Islam isn't hard-bitten like people say it's a peaceful Religion

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    Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

    This verse came after Muhammad and his followers relocated to Medina, where they were not under attack by the Meccans. It is speaking of how they are to act towards the native people of Medina.

    -------

    Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."


    ------

    Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."


    -------

    Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."


    This vague verse is what basically drives the extremists.


    ------


    Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"

    Basically says that Muslims that do not fight are not as good as ones that do.

    ------

    Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

    --------

    Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you.

    --------

    Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"


    Open ended, does not specify whether war is "violent", allowing for misinterpretation.

    --------

    Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"


    ----------

    Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

    ---------

    Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."


    --------

    Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."


    This verse refutes any claims of Islamic violence being used for self-defense. It says very clearly that the non-believers are to be attacked until they repent.

    --------

    Quran (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."


    Pretty straightforward.

    --------

    Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"


    Hypocritical verse from the Qur'an on top of being violent. As much as all three religions are Abrahamic, Allah is NOT the same God that the Christians and Jews believe in.

    --------

    Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."


    ----------


    There are dozens upon dozens more.
    What's the violent thing here ?
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