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    Quote Originally Posted by robinvanpersie View Post
    Read the title of this article Norway gunman sane says new psychiatric probe - Yahoo! News UK
    The title says Norway Gunman even though he used a bomb and killed 77 people. Tell me why it didnt say Norway terrorist?
    That is proof the media is biased against Islam. Whenever a terrorist attack happens by a "muslim" the title of articles always says Islamic terrorists.
    You cannot learn about Islam by hearing about it on the news reading anti Islam websites or bad things people have done and call themselves muslim.
    There is only one way to learn what Islam is and that is to read the Quran from beginning to end. And I know 99% of haters of Islam havent even read it.
    Finally a man with rationale. I applaud
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaporak10 View Post
    How many religions make it a must to give charity (If possible)?

    P.S. I love debate 8B
    Its not really charity if its mandatory. That would be called a tax.

    Congrats on supporting religious tax.
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    Rofl on the lulz of people making mutiple accounts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    Its not really charity if its mandatory. That would be called a tax.

    Congrats on supporting religious tax.
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    Rofl on the lulz of people making mutiple accounts.

    tax
       [taks] Show IPA

    noun
    1.
    a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes, property, sales, etc.

    2.
    a burdensome charge, obligation, duty, or demand.
    (Tax | Define Tax at Dictionary.com)

    First of all, this money goes to poor people, not the government. Second, you only pay Zakat (charity) if you can afford to, otherwise you do not have to. So it is not a "burdensome, charge, obligation, duty or demand".

    And what do you mean multiple accounts? I don't know that Robin guy, even tho we share some of the same beliefs.
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    You know the differency between charity and tax? Even tax is subject to not be applied to people who can't afford it you know?

    The difference is tax is mandatory while charity is encouraged only.
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    When you force charity on people, its no longer charity, but a tax.
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    Even if it goes to poor people and whatnot(which either they have the worse distribution system ever, or its just broken), the fact is that no matter who it goes to, if its forced payments on a group of people, its a tax.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post
    You know the differency between charity and tax? Even tax is subject to not be applied to people who can't afford it you know?

    The difference is tax is mandatory while charity is encouraged only.
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    When you force charity on people, its no longer charity, but a tax.
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    Even if it goes to poor people and whatnot(which either they have the worse distribution system ever, or its just broken), the fact is that no matter who it goes to, if its forced payments on a group of people, its a tax.
    Whatever your feeling is, the process does not hurt anyone. fyi, in most countries today, Muslims give zakat voluntarily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaporak10 View Post
    Whatever your feeling is, the process does not hurt anyone. fyi, in most countries today, Muslims give zakat voluntarily.
    :/ your taxing people based on religion. That alone is enough.

    And i believe this tax is forced on people not of the same religion too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    :/ your taxing people based on religion. That alone is enough.

    And i believe this tax is forced on people not of the same religion too.
    Its not called Zakat. Its called Jizya, an income based tax for non-Muslims. In return, they do not have to pay Zakat, do not have to serve in the army, get full rights and have the protection of the army.

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    LMAO this kid calling zakat tax. When you choose to follow Islam no one forces you. It is up to the person to give zakat he is not forced. If he doesnt give zakat he doesnt get sent to prison or fined, its completely up to the muslim whether they do it or not no one is forcing them. But it is one of the pillars of Islam and it is there for a reason, to help the poor. But no muslim is forced to do it so it is charity not Tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaporak10 View Post
    Its not called Zakat. Its called Jizya, an income based tax for non-Muslims. In return, they do not have to pay Zakat, do not have to serve in the army, get full rights and have the protection of the army.
    :/ No one said it was called zakat........ And yeah, you just proved my point on religious intolerance, good job!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    :/ No one said it was called zakat........ And yeah, you just proved my point on religious intolerance, good job!
    How is it intolerance? Isn't this done in most 21st countries? You pay taxes, you get to live freely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaporak10 View Post
    How is it intolerance? Isn't this done in most 21st countries? You pay taxes, you get to live freely?
    The taxes aren't based upon religion. You can't see that?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    The taxes aren't based upon religion. You can't see that?
    Its not like non-Muslims pay taxes while Muslims get off scot-free. It may look primitive to us, but in a logical sense, it works. I'm not advocating for it, and I'm not saying it was not abused, I'm saying its not some racist or intolerant tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaporak10 View Post
    Its not like non-Muslims pay taxes while Muslims get off scot-free. It may look primitive to us, but in a logical sense, it works. I'm not advocating for it, and I'm not saying it was not abused, I'm saying its not some racist or intolerant tax.
    :/ so explain to me.

    The non-muslims have to pay a tax(Jizya). This is strictly because of not being a muslim.
    The muslims have to pay what again?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    :/ so explain to me.

    The non-muslims have to pay a tax(Jizya). This is strictly because of not being a muslim.
    The muslims have to pay what again?
    Muslims have to pay Zakat which is charity not tax because they are not forced to pay. Believing in Islam is optional, following it is optional and up to the person. If they dont pay Zakat they are not imprisoned or fined and are not forced so it is charity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    :/ so explain to me.

    The non-muslims have to pay a tax(Jizya). This is strictly because of not being a muslim.
    The muslims have to pay what again?
    Muslims had to serve in the army + pay Zakat
    Non-Muslims didn't have to serve in army or pay Zakat, just pay Jizya
    I don't see what is so complicated......

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