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    Oh boy..the Quran and it's amazing scientific miracles..
    Yeah they can't be proven wrong..

    In the following verses, Quran claims that mountains were set on the earth so that the earth never can shake when human being dwelt in it.

    "And We have set on earth firm mountains, lest it should shake with them." [Quran- 21:31]

    "And he has cast the earth firm mountains lest it shake with you…" [Quran-16:15]

    "He created the heavens without supports that you can see, and has cast onto the earth firm mountains lest it shake with you" [Quran-31:10]

    It is clearly understood that Quranic author was completely ignorant about the geological reasoning for existence of mountains. He saw that mountains are huge and heavy. So, He (Allah) thought mountains actually prevent Shaking (Earthquake) of the earth. Fact is, this particular reason for existence of mountains is a direct contradiction with modern geological knowledge. Geology proves to us that movement of tectonic plates, or earthquake itself causes mountains to be formed. Besides, we know very well that, every year several dozens of earthquakes happen on earth. Then what is the result of Allah’s promise? Can we believe that, Mountains are there to prevent earthquake?

    The Universe is only 4,137 years old according to Allah.

    If we believe Quranic creation theory, or Biblical genealogy then, the age of this whole universe is less than five thousands year old. Islamic scriptures say that Allah has created this heaven and earth, from nothingness, within six days and after that He created Adam, the first human being; and Prophet Muhammad was the 90th descendant of Adam. According to calculation, considering 30 years to be the age difference between two successive generations, Allah created this heaven and earth only 4,137 years ago. On the contrary, geological experts say that the earth is more than 4.5 billion years old. Question is who is right about it? Allah was right or the modern scientists are right?


    Some Embryological contradictions/errors

    Man is Created From Clotted blood(?)

    Then fashioned We the drop (semen) a CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD then fashioned We the clot a little lump (fetus), fashioned We the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators. [Quran-23:14]

    (Bengali translations of the Quran read: “Zamaa’t Rto theeke Manoosh banieesi” And this Ayat has been repeated again and again throughout the Quran)

    • Then he becomes a CLOT; then (Allah) shaped and fashioned… [Quran-75:38]

    • Created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood [Quran-96:2]

    There are serious scientific problems here.

    A blood clot can not grow into anything. This idea came from the Greeks. Aristotle erroneously believed that humans are originated from the action of male semen upon female menstrual blood, which is absolutely an incorrect assumption. The Quran’s assertion on the clot (alaqa) is completely wrong about human development, since there is absolutely no stage during which the embryo consists of a clot. The only situation in which an embryo might appear like a clot is during a miscarriage, in which case the clotted blood which is seen to emerge (much of which comes from the mother) is solidified and by definition no longer alive. Therefore, if ever an embryo appeared to look like a clot it would never develop any further into a human; it would be a dead mass of bloody miscarriage. Since Prophet Muhammad had some thirteen wives it is entirely possible that he would be very familiar with miscarriages.

    Modern science tells us that the formation of human embryo is a seamless continuation from conception to the birth; hence there are no hard-and-fast boundaries of stages as the Quran described. The Quran described 4 stages which match exactly with Galenic description of the development of the human embryo (which was proved wrong by modern science).

    Creation of bones and clothing of bones with flesh: According to modern embryologists including Prof. Moore of Canada, the tissue from which bone originates, known as mesoderm, is the same tissue as that from which muscle (flesh) develops. Thus bone and muscles begin to develop simultaneously, rather than sequentially (as the Quran tells us). Moreover, most of the muscle tissue that we human have is laid down before birth, but bones continue to develop and calcify (strengthen with calcium) right into one’s teenage years. So it would be more accurate if the Quran had said that muscles started to develop at the same time as bones, but completed their development earlier. The idea that bones are clothed with flesh is not only scientifically completely wrong/false, but was directly copied from the ancient Greek doctor Galen’s hypothesis.

    Also, the idea of saying: “made into bones and clothed the bones with muscle” came from the technique of making animal statues (Moorthy) out of rod and cement or mud. People usually make the skeleton (out of rod or stick) first and, then cover it up with cement or mud. This is scarcely a scientific description of embryonic development. It is rather a description of a layman.

    Actually, what is very interesting about Quranic so called science are: Qur'anic scientific verses matches with Aristotle and Galenic theories of Embryology and Ptolemic Geo-centric theory of Astronomy which were prevailing almost thousand years before the arrival of qur'an. HOWEVER, ALL THESE THEORIES WERE PROVEN MOSTLY WRONG BY MODERN SCIENCE.


    Quran foretold life from WATER

    Let us find out from what Quran predicted origin of life from water. The Hindu scripture Veda (8000 B.C.) described origin of Earth and life from WATER of the SEA. The Great Greek Philosopher and Scientist THALES (640-546 B.C.) was the first Human to theorize that, Everything in this Universe was created from WATER OF THE SEA. Problem was, Thales could not provide any scientific proof. After that, ARISTOTLE (384-322 B.C.), the pupil of Plato and Tutor of Alexander the Great, concluded: "Because of the fact that, Plants & Animal body contains plenty of WATER and life needs WATER that was why THALES thought WATER WAS THE ORIGIN OF LIFE". Therefore, Mankind did not have to wait until 7th century for Allah to say importance of WATER for life.

    EVOLUTION VS. RELIGIOUS CREATION THEORY

    Some Islamists often try to ridicule the theory of evolution in order to protect the obvious fallacies of the creation theory of religion. Most Islamists and orthodox religionists of other religions try to discard evolution theory. Interestingly, however, some of them also make futile attempts to explain the compatibility of religious creation theory with the theory of evolution! This is, of course, a hypocrisy; and a totally impossible and weird dream by those Islamists.

    EVOLUTION is the greatest triumphs of human discovery. Evolution is not a peripheral subject but the central organizing principle of all biological sciences today. So no one ignorant of evolution can understand science. Secondly, evolution is as well documented as any phenomenon in science, as strongly as the Earth's revolution around the sun rather than vice versa. Therefore, we can call evolution a "Fact". Today’s biological sciences are directly propagating on the basis of evolution theory of Darwin.

    For the last 100 years or so, the galloping advancement of science, particularly the life science, is purely on the basis of Darwin THEORY OF EVOLUTION and definitely not on the basis of CREATION THEORY. Science does not believe in CREATION theory and Religion does not believe in EVOLUTION theory. Truth is, if Religion wants to mix-up with evolution then, we shall have to consider Adam as Ape-like Neanderthal or Homo-erectus early human, and not a perfect human having all the intelligential qualities, as the Bible or Quran described.

    Here in this Verse, Allah Challenges People: Who Can Tell Whether the Conceived is Male or Female (?)

    • Verily the knowledge of the Hour is With God (alone). It is He Who sends down rain, and He who knows what is in the wombs of mothers…. [Quran-31:34]

    Who does not believe the fact that, actually mankind can predict very accurately (99.5%) when rain will fall and can predict (99.8%) the sex of the child inside a mother’s womb? Scientists also predict that, in the next five years weather predictions will be successfully correct almost 100%. Perhaps Allah could not imagine this.


    Allah copied draconian code of law from the ancient king Hammurabi!

    Hammurabi, the King of Babylonia, Mesopotamia (2900 B.C.) gave the low: Killing for revenge, i. e., “life for life, hand for hand, eye for eye, ears for ears, tooth for tooth and wounds equal for equal.”

    And the Allah’s law in Qur’an [5:45] says: “life for life, hand for hand, eye for eye, ear for ear, tooth for tooth and wounds equal for equal.”

    What is the difference between the code? Don't we see any similarities between the judgment of King Hammurabi (a human), and Omnipotent Allah? Here in this decree of judgment, who probably copied from whom? Was not the Allah (which was Muhammad himself) copied from that Kaffir Hammurabi and sold it in the name of his imaginary Allah?


    References:

    Holy Qur’an (English translation and Commentary) by: Maulana Abdullah Yousuf Ali; Published by: Amana Corporation-1983, First Edition, Maryland, USA.

    Holy Qur’an, Bengali translation by Maulana Muhiuddin khan, Khademu Harmain Sharifain, Saudi Arabia, Madina Mannwara, 1413 Hijri.

    Holy Quran, Benagli Translation by maulana A.K.M. Fajlur Rahman Munshi, Bangladesh Taj Company, Dhaka, 1976

    Buchari Sharif, Bengali Translation by Maulana Muhammad Mustafizur Rahman, Sulemani Printers and Publishers, Dhaka, Second edition-1999

    William F. Campbell: The Quran and the Bible in the light of history & Science.

    The World Book Encyclopedia: Volume 19, world book, inc., Chicago, London,
    Sydney, Toronto

    Time Magazine: Evolution Vs. Creationism: Up From the Apes.; August 23, 1999

    Bible, Koran and Science, Dr. Morice Buchaile, translated by Akhterul Alam,
    Published by the Rangpur Publications, Bangladesh, 1986.

    Avijit Roy: Does the Qur'an Have any scientific Miracles?

    TH Huxley, Islam and the “Big Bang”: A Refutation, Mukto-Mona

    Big-Bang Theory : Big Bang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The World Book Encyclopedia: Volume 19, world book, inc., Chicago, London, Sydney, Toronto.

    A History of the Arab peoples, by Albert Hourani, the Belknap press of Harvard
    University press, Cambridge, Massachusetts, 1991.

    C. Warren Hollister, Roots of the Western Tradition: a short history of ancient world, Library of congress cataloging-in-publication data, 6th edition, 1996.
    I declare a winner! Religion is a means for men to have control. All religious books were written by men for men usually putting women at a lower place in hierarchy. What exactly makes one religion the "true" religion or one god the only "true" god over any other ? The only reason for 99.9% of believers believing in thier respective religion is simply where they were born. So if I'm born in a country native to one of the 100's of other religions besides the "true" one then I am dammed? It's ridiculous. There is such an overwhelming abundance of evidence that contradicts all these major religions. Religion has caused more war and death than anything. The difference between muslims and everyone else is everyone else seems to have evolved where as muslims are still trying to enforce archaic laws from the middle ages. Who the fuck are you to say woman are at fault for being raped? That they must wear vails? Who the fuck are you to think it is just to behead a man without a trial in public for any crime? Did u know in the muslim republic of pakistan that 75% of women in prison are there for being raped? Fuck islam

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigheadnick View Post
    I declare a winner! Religion is a means for men to have control. All religious books were written by men for men usually putting women at a lower place in hierarchy. What exactly makes one religion the "true" religion or one god the only "true" god over any other ? The only reason for 99.9% of believers believing in thier respective religion is simply where they were born. So if I'm born in a country native to one of the 100's of other religions besides the "true" one then I am dammed? It's ridiculous. There is such an overwhelming abundance of evidence that contradicts all these major religions. Religion has caused more war and death than anything. The difference between muslims and everyone else is everyone else seems to have evolved where as muslims are still trying to enforce archaic laws from the middle ages. Who the fuck are you to say woman are at fault for being raped? That they must wear vails? Who the fuck are you to think it is just to behead a man without a trial in public for any crime? Did u know in the muslim republic of pakistan that 75% of women in prison are there for being raped? Fuck islam
    Wheres the part in Quran that putted women into a lower place? I think there isn't. Read it.

    *Fuck Islam?* There is a rule about the flaming in here, Go read some rules and come back.

    Also, Read my last posts, Might be helpful for ya.

    Let me get this good into your mind, There is a verse in the Quran that means, Don't FIGHT people unless they started it, Islam hasn't anything that wanted people to start war?

    Again im saying, There is a part of muslims that want to make everything Just like they want, Though, The MOST part of the Muslims isn't doing that, Let's take an example of Egypt, One of the many cities that has muslims, I lived there before, And i NEVER ever seen a Guy telling a girl that it is her Fault for being raped? Didn't happen, To be honest, There was a girl that was raped in that while, A friend told me about, They got the guy, Jailed him for what he has done.


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    They want to distort Islam
    But
    Islam is a religion of tolerance
    Islam is a religion of brotherhood
    Islam is a religion of tolerance
    in short
    Islam is Islam

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alalexander View Post


    List of religious populations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    soon whole world will become muslim, during second coming of jesus christ, And Jesus Christ will be Leader of all Muslims

    Propher Muhammed said:

    This matter (Islam) will keep spreading as far as the night and day reach, until Allah will not leave a house made of mud or hair, but will make this religion enter it, while bringing might to a mighty person (a Muslim) and humiliation to a disgraced person (who rejects Islam); might with which Allah elevates Islam (and its people), and disgrace with which Allah humiliates disbelief (and its people).” (Musnad al-Imaam Ahmad)


    Islam is Officially the World’s Largest Religion!

    Muslims more numerous than Catholics: Vatican

    VATICAN CITY | Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:29pm BST

    VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Islam has overtaken Roman Catholicism as the biggest single religious denomination in the world, the Vatican said on Sunday.

    Muslims more numerous than Catholics: Vatican | Reuters

    Islam Overtaking Catholicism in France
    August 18, 2011
    Islamic mosques are being built more often in France than Roman Catholic churches, and there now are more practising Muslims in the country than practising Catholics.

    Nearly 150 new mosques currently are under construction in France, home to the biggest Muslim community in Europe. The mosque-building projects are at various stages of completion, according to Mohammed Moussaoui, the president of the Muslim Council of France (CFCM), who provided the data in an August 2 interview with the French radio station RTL.

    The total number of mosques in France has already doubled to more than 2,000 during just the past ten years, according to a research report "Constructing Mosques: The Governance of Islam in France and the Netherlands." France's most prominent Muslim leader, Dalil Boubakeur, who is rector of the Grand Mosque of Paris, recently called for the number of mosques in the country to be doubled again – to 4,000 – to meet growing demand.
    http://islamcorner.*********.com/ind...rint&thread=96

    Latinas Choosing Islam over Catholicism
    Latinas Choosing Islam over Catholicism : NPR

    In Catholic Italy, Islam makes inroads
    PALERMO, Sicily - In this very Catholic country, there have always been
    other religions: a sprinkling of Waldensian Protestants in the north,
    traces of Islam in Sicily, well-established but small Jewish neighborhoods
    in Rome, Venice, and other big cities.


    But for the first time in centuries, a minority religion is set to become
    a major player in Italy's future. Fueled largely by immigration from North
    Africa, the Middle East, and Albania, Islam is now the second-largest
    faith in what is still a nation that is 94 percent Catholic.


    Italy's demographic changes provide a modern challenge, not only for these
    two world religions, but also for this nation positioned at the crossroads
    of continents, faith, and history.
    In Catholic Italy, Islam makes inroads
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    Terrorism ? Funny really
    Who started the first world war ? Muslims ?
    Who started the second world war ? Muslims ?
    Who killed about 20 millions of Aborigines in Australia ? Muslims ??
    Who sent the nuclear bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ? Muslims ??
    Who killed more than 100 millions of Indians in North America ? Muslims ??
    Who killed more than 50 millions of Indians in south America ? Muslims ??
    Who took about 180 millions of African people as slaves and 88% of them died and was thrown in Atlantic ocean ? Muslims ??
    About Jihad - Appearances Are Deceiving

    Go check the website you put up again. The population of islam decreased, and now they are only .5 b higher then non religions, and .6 b below Christianity. Using terrorism to force your religion upon other people isn't a good method to control the population, and islam is proving that by DECREASING it's believers while the world population is increasing.

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    Well people pick up Islam like they pick up christianity.

    They "convert", then find out all the awful shit muhammed and Islam have done(and are still teaching), and then leave.

    It sounds nice, until you find out all the shit that goes with it.(mormons *cough*).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post
    Well people pick up Islam like they pick up christianity.

    They "convert", then find out all the awful shit muhammed and Islam have done(and are still teaching), and then leave.

    It sounds nice, until you find out all the shit that goes with it.(mormons *cough*).
    For god sake name me the awful shit that Muhammad did.

    And why always Christians loses a debate in front of a Muslim Shikh... I saw a lot of Christian "Priests" that doesn't even know their own book the bible.
    You guys use your religion and your "book" to your own benefits to get fame and money out of it.
    And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you do not know [but] whom Allah knows. And whatever you spend in the cause of Allah will be fully repaid to you, and you will not be wronged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSpot View Post
    For god sake name me the awful shit that Muhammad did.

    And why always Christians loses a debate in front of a Muslim Shikh... I saw a lot of Christian "Priests" that doesn't even know their own book the bible.
    You guys use your religion and your "book" to your own benefits to get fame and money out of it.
    We've been over this a hundred times idiot, we've posted what muhammed did over......and over......and over.

    Every time he's mentioned you act like a fucking moron and go "what did he do?!" and we post what he did. AGAIN.
    -I'm just tired of repeating myself, its basically spam at this point.
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    >I use an example of converts and you somehow get that as "christianity is better"? Its not, both religions equally suck.(although christianity doesn't promote violence as much).


    You seem to think being outside of christianity or Islam is impossible, which is sad because to me its just pathetic having you respond to me like I'm christian when i'm not.

    Seriously, both religions suck. REALIZE THAT PROVING CHRISTIANITY WRONG DOES NOT MAKE ISLAM RIGHT YOU DUMB SHIT.


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    Say thou: Infidels! (1) I worship not what you worship, (2) Nor are you the worshippers of what I worship, (3) And I shall not be a worshipper of what you have worshipped. (4) Nor will you be the worshipper of what I worship. (5) You requital shall be yours, and my requital shall be mine. (6)


    سورة الكافرون - سورة 109 - عدد آياتها 6

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