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    How to win a debate for Islam.

    Since the muslims of mpgh desperately need to learn how to debate, let me provide you a guide.

    First off: Statistics. Learn how to read them. Use them to your advantage.
    Secondly: Do not involve your beliefs for an argument involving statistics. Saying "not all muslims are terrorist" because you believe they aren't real muslims isn't proving anything.
    Third: Get credible sources. Google is your friend here, but don't rely on the word of some guy on his blog, get research data.
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    Alright, hard parts over. Lets take each argument that can be easily won with a simple statistic showing.
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    1. Not all muslims are terrorist.
    - This will require 2 stats.

    Put the amount of muslims(somewhere around 2billion people.).
    Put the amount of muslim extremist(terrorist).

    Thats it. This proves any argument 100%.
    NOTE: Do not give percent until given full amount of terrorist as well.
    NOTE: You are going to want to(if possible) use the same source.
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    2. Not all terrorist are muslims.
    -This requires 2 stats.

    Put the amount of known terrorist.
    Put the amount of known Islamic extremist.
    NOTE: Do not put misleading information[more below]
    NOTE: You are definitely going to need the same source for this.
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    ************MISLEADING INFORMATION********************************

    Ok due to another poster(bengali), I feel the need to explain statistics to you.

    Take this chart:



    This chart has 2 things:
    1. The names of terrorist organizations.
    2. The percentage of said terrorist to the whole.

    What this chart does not have, is a title or linking information(present). Which means you need to follow a link to view what this chart is explaining. Let me explain how dangerous this is.



    Now we can take that Islamic extremist only make up 6% of the total terrorist amount from this pie chart.(assuming the data backs it up, which it does not in this case).



    Now this pie chart shows the amount of terrorist attacks(by quantity). As you can see Islam only meets 6% of the quantity of attacks. This is actually what the pie chart is for, the quantity of attacks.
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    ------------------------------------The most important part of misleading information--------------------------------------
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    Ok now you know that in the US Islamic extremist only make up 6% of the total terrorist attacks.(from this timeframe).

    What you still don't know is: Deathcount.

    Quantity of attacks isn't really important so much as amount of people killed. Killing 1 or 2 people in a hundred bombings is not as killing thousands with one bombing.


    Just as people overreact about muslims being terrorist, you must also remember to not overreact about statistics that seemingly point in your favor, because they may end up biting you in the ass.

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    That concludes my lesson for the muslims of mpgh.
    Last edited by Empire; 08-12-2012 at 12:10 AM.


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    Do you even thought what a debate is? Firstly people are not here to publish scientific journals its just about discussing. And secondly most of the information on the internet is unreliable so google is not your friend. That thirdly:

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
    - Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by robinvanpersie View Post
    Do you even thought what a debate is? Firstly people are not here to publish scientific journals its just about discussing. And secondly most of the information on the internet is unreliable so google is not your friend. That thirdly:

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
    - Mark Twain
    Seriously man......... I give you fucking good advice, pretty much a step by step guide to win these spam threads you keep making about "not all muslims are terrorist" and you reply with that?

    Pfft, I could just win your debates for you lol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    Seriously man......... I give you fucking good advice, pretty much a step by step guide to win these spam threads you keep making about "not all muslims are terrorist" and you reply with that?

    Pfft, I could just win your debates for you lol.
    I didnt create no such thread, youre confusing me someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robinvanpersie View Post
    I didnt create no such thread, youre confusing me someone else.
    Sorry, its just that you two are basically the same person.


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    Right, I wouldn't take tips from someone who uses Wikipedia as a source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bengali View Post
    Right, I wouldn't take tips from someone who uses Wikipedia as a source.
    Says the guy who posted 3 links in which the authors couldn't read a basic pie chart or statistics?
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    Please, do come back when you have posted an actual link that is relevant to your thread(in any of them) or argument backed with data and not some moron posting on a blog about how he can't read a pie chart.


    Also: Learn to use the source button kid. Wikipedia isn't just a free-for-all posting fest, and you can check for yourself on the sources.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    Says the guy who posted 3 links in which the authors couldn't read a basic pie chart or statistics?
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    Please, do come back when you have posted an actual link that is relevant to your thread(in any of them) or argument backed with data and not some moron posting on a blog about how he can't read a pie chart.


    Also: Learn to use the source button kid. Wikipedia isn't just a free-for-all posting fest, and you can check for yourself on the sources.
    Someone is mad.

    Stop making false accusations in the hopes of winning a debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bengali View Post
    Someone is mad.

    Stop making false accusations in the hopes of winning a debate.
    Meanwhile your post quality is next to that of horse shit, but go right on ahead QQ'ing kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lehsyrus View Post


    Meanwhile your post quality is next to that of horse shit, but go right on ahead QQ'ing kid.
    I see the "QQ'ing" more from you people actually. And low quality posts? Lol yea if there's anyone who knows low quality it would be you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bengali View Post
    Someone is mad.

    Stop making false accusations in the hopes of winning a debate.
    There isn't a debate. I'm literally giving you the win button and you are too stupid to realize it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bengali View Post
    I see the "QQ'ing" more from you people actually. And low quality posts? Lol yea if there's anyone who knows low quality it would be you.
    So the ability to judge the quality of post is somehow derived from the fact that they make shit post?

    Are you just an idiot, or are you trolling..........


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    TBH, the numbers of people killed means nothing. Because given an OPPURTUNITY any one of those groups would like to kill the MOST. Just because a certain category gets lucky and hits a goldmine of death, doesn't make it any less dangerous.

    Ask a Muslim Extremist how many Christians/Jews he wants to kill. He would say "all of them" if he could.

    Ask a KKK member how many Blacks he wants to kill. He would say "all of them" if he could.


    So your logic is flawed to concentrate on the population that does less attacks. Matter of fact, you would want to concentrate on the group that has done the most attacks. Each of those groups if given the OPPURTUNITY will kill the most people.


    Edit @Empire

    This is a reply to another topic Empire sent me to, sorry for the um, misleading w.e.
    Last edited by KING; 09-06-2013 at 10:47 AM.

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    Really ?

    All muslims are NOT Terrorist.
    I live in Turkey. I'm muslim. I have never been away.. And am i terrorist ?


    Can you see ; Iraq and Afghanistan ?? Where is freedom ??

    F#$% Oil !
    Last edited by Kankisiz; 09-06-2013 at 10:57 AM.

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    Soryy double post. Please remove this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KING View Post
    TBH, the numbers of people killed means nothing. Because given an OPPURTUNITY any one of those groups would like to kill the MOST. Just because a certain category gets lucky and hits a goldmine of death, doesn't make it any less dangerous.

    Ask a Muslim Extremist how many Christians/Jews he wants to kill. He would say "all of them" if he could.

    Ask a KKK member how many Blacks he wants to kill. He would say "all of them" if he could.


    So your logic is flawed to concentrate on the population that does less attacks. Matter of fact, you would want to concentrate on the group that has done the most attacks. Each of those groups if given the OPPURTUNITY will kill the most people.


    Edit @Empire

    This is a reply to another topic Empire sent me to, sorry for the um, misleading w.e.
    Ugh king.......


    You also need to realize what counts as "terrorist" activities, what scale the attacks are on, and what actually happened.
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    Making the assumption that every terrorist wants to kill everyone is a very odd stereotype, because in this case and scenario, people didn't die a lot of these attacks. Most of these "terrorist" aren't really out there for blood either, because there are a lot better ways to do that honestly. However, loss of human life should always be looked at first imo, as that is generally what tells people how serious they are and how much of "threat" they represent.
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    Again, scale/quanity vs quality.



    You need to understand the statistics better than to just assume they correlate with what you want to say.
    Last edited by Empire; 09-06-2013 at 01:08 PM.


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