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    Quote Originally Posted by robinvanpersie View Post
    I was talking about what Muslims believe. Every verse from the Quran is a revelation from God, none of them were from prophet Muhammad pbuh. The only Narrator of the Quran is God no one else. It is all down to belief.
    Should I care about what they believe, or what they can demonstrate to be true? Because many people believe in many silly things, I don't think you take them seriously.

    Quote Originally Posted by robinvanpersie View Post
    Reading things can prove anything if it is backed up well. You read about the Earth being spherical, the Earth orbiting the Sun, the Sun being bigger than the moon etc.
    Uh, dumbass, just because it's in a book does not make it true. These things are all verifiable without the book, your god is not.


    Quote Originally Posted by robinvanpersie View Post
    It is all down to the reader.
    If it's dependent upon the reader, then it's subjective. If it's subjective it's not an objective fact. If it's not an objective fact then it's relatively useless to anyone who isn't already in the subjective view.


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    I am not worry if you belived in allah as a god or not, because allah said in his book(holy quraan) "For each one are successive [angels] before and behind him who protect him by the decree of Allah . Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves. And when Allah intends for a people ill, there is no repelling it. And there is not for them besides Him any patron."

    and this "Then is one to whom the evil of his deed has been made attractive so he considers it good [like one rightly guided]? For indeed, Allah sends astray whom He wills and guides whom He wills. So do not let yourself perish over them in regret. Indeed, Allah is Knowing of what they do."
    So you come here, to the debate section, only to admit that you have no evidence for your god and say "to each his own".


    Yeesh, if you want to preach do it somewhere else please.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    Should I care about what they believe, or what they can demonstrate to be true? Because many people believe in many silly things, I don't think you take them seriously.



    Uh, dumbass, just because it's in a book does not make it true. These things are all verifiable without the book, your god is not.



    If it's dependent upon the reader, then it's subjective. If it's subjective it's not an objective fact. If it's not an objective fact then it's relatively useless to anyone who isn't already in the subjective view.


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    So you come here, to the debate section, only to admit that you have no evidence for your god and say "to each his own".


    Yeesh, if you want to preach do it somewhere else please.

    You said you are atheist, and atheist don't believe there is god who created this world and created us, god also given to us some things different about anything, it's brain, The difference between animals and humans is brain, without brain you weren't set down on a chair who created by humans that they can't made anything without brain, and without brain we were not see this screen you see it and talking to me, brain is big proof on you that you didn't use it to know there is god.

    The best way you can see that you have brain or mind you can use it is here, you believe that i am human and i am live in somewhere in this world talking with you, so you used your brain to believe i am human not a bot, mean i am not computer who you are talking with him.

    if you really don't believe in god, so you shouldn't use your mind or brain to do anything, you like an animal walking on street for nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post
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    Should I care about what they believe, or what they can demonstrate to be true? Because many people believe in many silly things, I don't think you take them seriously.
    You should care not to talk about something you do not know. You said that some of the verses in the Quran were from God to prophet Muhammad pbuh, when all of them are.


    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post
    [COLOR="Black"][COLOR="Black"]Uh, dumbass, just because it's in a book does not make it true. These things are all verifiable without the book, your god is not.
    Verifiable by data which again is in books. You keep saying that when you haven't read the Quran.

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    [COLOR="Black"]If it's dependent upon the reader, then it's subjective. If it's subjective it's not an objective fact. If it's not an objective fact then it's relatively useless to anyone who isn't already in the subjective view.
    Not necessarily. I will refer back to my example. The sun being larger than the moon is an objective fact, but whether they believe in the objective fact still depends of the reader:

    "The Sun is bigger than the moon."

    Reader with the aim to understand: That is a possibility because the distance things are viewed from affects how large something is.

    Reader with the aim to find fault: That is nonsense. When I see them in the sky they look like they are the same size. Sometimes I have seen the moon to be bigger than the Sun during specific times of the year.
    Science is learning about the creation, Islam is learning about the creator.

    Alif, Lam, Meem. - 2:1 Quran
    This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah(God) - 2:2 Quran
    Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them, - 2:3 Quran
    And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith]. - 2:4 Quran
    Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. - 2:5 Quran
    Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. - 2:6 Quran

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    @robinvanpersie, I tried to send message to you at MPGH.net but server go down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robinvanpersie View Post
    You should care not to talk about something you do not know. You said that some of the verses in the Quran were from God to prophet Muhammad pbuh, when all of them are.



    Verifiable by data which again is in books. You keep saying that when you haven't read the Quran.


    Not necessarily. I will refer back to my example. The sun being larger than the moon is an objective fact, but whether they believe in the objective fact still depends of the reader:

    "The Sun is bigger than the moon."

    Reader with the aim to understand: That is a possibility because the distance things are viewed from affects how large something is.
    Robin, please tell me you understand the concept that just because it is in a book does not make it true.
    -Verifiable data means that it does not require a book to tell you it's true. If you can do that then please, show me your god.

    Most the quran is from the voice of Muhammad and tells of muhammad's history. None of this was from god. The only parts that are "from god" are the parts where god is actually speaking or telling Muhammad things. If you want to claim that the books is entirely from god, you'd be outright lying as you already admitted it was works compiled by man earlier.

    Yes, but you are equating belief with truth. I can believe the moon is larger, that does not make it so.

    "Reader with the aim to find fault: That is nonsense. When I see them in the sky they look like they are the same size. Sometimes I have seen the moon to be bigger than the Sun during specific times of the year."
    -So basically you are saying "don't be skeptic about anything"

    Jeez robin. If we just took everything every book said to be true, we'd be believing in every conspiracy theory and sand-religion there is....oh wait. You already do that.



    Quote Originally Posted by samerlol View Post
    if you really don't believe in god, so you shouldn't use your mind or brain to do anything, you like an animal walking on street for nothing.
    Yeah, you clearly don't understand what atheism or any other religious belief is for that matter. I'm not wasting my time with stupid, have fun kiddo


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    Quote Originally Posted by Organized Chaos View Post
    WAHTS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MUSLIM AND A TRAMPOLINE!?!?!
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    stop being retarded in a debate .
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    I think that people believe too much on the news and TV things there brains are full of lies, just cause in the middle east the majority are muslim and the crime rate is huge due to its poverty rate, they think that everywhere a muslim is there is a huge amount of crime and terror, the TV has troen away their reputation and play with their believes. Juts my opinion.
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    Religon does not define the people.Just becouse you are muslim It dosent mean you are bad guys.Does 100% people in jail are muslim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post

    Robin, please tell me you understand the concept that just because it is in a book does not make it true.
    -Verifiable data means that it does not require a book to tell you it's true. If you can do that then please, show me your god.

    Most the quran is from the voice of Muhammad and tells of muhammad's history. None of this was from god. The only parts that are "from god" are the parts where god is actually speaking or telling Muhammad things. If you want to claim that the books is entirely from god, you'd be outright lying as you already admitted it was works compiled by man earlier.

    Yes, but you are equating belief with truth. I can believe the moon is larger, that does not make it so.

    "Reader with the aim to find fault: That is nonsense. When I see them in the sky they look like they are the same size. Sometimes I have seen the moon to be bigger than the Sun during specific times of the year."
    -So basically you are saying "don't be skeptic about anything"

    Jeez robin. If we just took everything every book said to be true, we'd be believing in every conspiracy theory and sand-religion there is....oh wait. You already do that.





    Yeah, you clearly don't understand what atheism or any other religious belief is for that matter. I'm not wasting my time with stupid, have fun kiddo


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    Thanks you.. If i didn't understand the atheism, can you tell me to replay what i can say about you as a atheist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by viceangel View Post
    Religon does not define the people.Just becouse you are muslim It dosent mean you are bad guys.Does 100% people in jail are muslim?
    It does not define, only influences. Then again, I could be wrong if you talk to some of the muslims here who take Islam as their identity.

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    Thanks you.. If i didn't understand the atheism, can you tell me to replay what i can say about you as a atheist.
    Sorry, you lost the chance for a debate when you replied with that brain shit. Maybe next time kiddo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post
    It does not define, only influences.
    So every muslim get influences by it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by viceangel View Post
    So every muslim get influences by it?
    Well yes. Not all to the same extent, but I don't see how the concept of a religion you follow influences your life to be ridiculous.

    I mean that is the point of a religion, is it not?


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    Quote Originally Posted by viceangel View Post
    So every muslim get influences by it?

    I don't know why we talk with someone who never wants to understand the truth with some logic.
    I am a Muslim and I Love prophet #Jesus. I cannot call myself a Muslim unless I believe in and honor Jesus, peace be upon him. His miraculous birth brought an enormous amount of goodness and light to this world. May we draw closer to all the prophets of Allah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samerlol View Post
    I don't know why we talk with someone who never wants to understand the truth with some logic.
    Says the guy who equated atheism to being braindead......

    I always found it funny how people like you will insult others yet expect to be taken seriously.


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