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    Quote Originally Posted by samerlol View Post
    I am not dodging the question,i want you to answer it by yourself!!What? yes, cuz when i speak to someone, i am sure he will understand everything i say, but when i come to you, It's like speaking with an animal(talking with your self!!).

    when 2 people discussion about anything.. they start say about it's pros and cons, and start give new ideas on it, or maybe thinking to find another source to replace it.

    but when i come to debate in this forum, i found i am debating for no thing.. no understand... they give you incorrect resources and false understanding for quran and start saying look... look what your religion did and look what muslims did, then i start laughing on how this people call themselfs about freedom and privacy and even they don't accept the truth when it's come to them.?!

    when a child didn't complete 9 months and got killed and west says these are Terrorists??!?! they supporting terrorists??! i say you are terrorists, by supporting illegal action and start blame another people for being a muslim?

    Let's say you allow the freedom, why france wants to change the Principles of islam ?? to be balanced?!(it's will be disaster) and they want from women whos wearing hijab to take it off? where is the freedom you speaking on it???
    You got owned. Just fuck off.

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    Statement: There are 2 types of people in every religion (correct me if im wrong) the first is called the extremist and the other is normal

    Question: Which one is Muhammad?


    Quote Originally Posted by samerlol View Post
    I am not dodging the question,
    Uh-huh. Well lets check that.


    Quote Originally Posted by samerlol View Post
    i want you to answer it by yourself!!
    Translation: "You should answer it!"
    >Dodge.
    Quote Originally Posted by samerlol View Post
    What? yes, cuz when i speak to someone, i am sure he will understand everything i say, but when i come to you, It's like speaking with an animal(talking with your self!!).?
    Translation: Calling me an animal.
    >Dodge

    Quote Originally Posted by samerlol View Post
    when 2 people discussion about anything.. they start say about it's pros and cons, and start give new ideas on it, or maybe thinking to find another source to replace it.
    Counter: It's a simple question. It's got nothing to do with "pros and cons" or "new ideas".
    >Dodge

    Quote Originally Posted by samerlol View Post
    but when i come to debate in this forum, i found i am debating for no thing.. no understand... they give you incorrect resources and false understanding for quran and start saying look... look what your religion did and look what muslims did, then i start laughing on how this people call themselfs about freedom and privacy and even they don't accept the truth when it's come to them.?!
    I'm literally asking you a question to your statement. That's it.
    >More dodging.


    Quote Originally Posted by samerlol View Post
    when a child didn't complete 9 months and got killed and west says these are Terrorists??!?! they supporting terrorists??! i say you are terrorists, by supporting illegal action and start blame another people for being a muslim?

    Let's say you allow the freedom, why france wants to change the Principles of islam ?? to be balanced?!(it's will be disaster) and they want from women whos wearing hijab to take it off? where is the freedom you speaking on it???
    Completely irrelevant to the conversation and an obvious red herring.
    >More dodging.



    Really, if you can't answer a question about your own statement, either don't make one or admit you don't know the answer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post
    Statement: There are 2 types of people in every religion (correct me if im wrong) the first is called the extremist and the other is normal

    Question: Which one is Muhammad?



    Uh-huh. Well lets check that.



    Translation: "You should answer it!"
    >Dodge.

    Translation: Calling me an animal.
    >Dodge


    Counter: It's a simple question. It's got nothing to do with "pros and cons" or "new ideas".
    >Dodge


    I'm literally asking you a question to your statement. That's it.
    >More dodging.




    Completely irrelevant to the conversation and an obvious red herring.
    >More dodging.



    Really, if you can't answer a question about your own statement, either don't make one or admit you don't know the answer.
    haha, funny to do an accurate.. you think am dodging? this is why called you an animal...Yes, start dodging..

    I don't even need to answer you, if you are know that you come to here for kidding, not coming for knowledge, right? so fuck off ..
    I will stop wasting my time as i said before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samerlol View Post
    haha, funny to do an accurate.. you think am dodging? this is why called you an animal...Yes, start dodging..

    I don't even need to answer you, if you are know that you come to here for kidding, not coming for knowledge, right? so fuck off ..
    I will stop wasting my time as i said before.
    I don't understand your mentality.

    You make a statement.

    I want clarification on that statement.



    That's how simple this is.

    Either answer the question or don't post. Simple as that.


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    I will present my points, you present yours
    1- Most of the Muslims we see are terrorists, Jihad, Al-Qaeda, SFA, then how is it a religion of peace ?
    Wow, this is an extremely uneducated and cultural insensitive thing to say, first of all, muslims are seperated into two groups, Sunnis, and the Shiites. They don't like each other, and there are more Shiites, while most Jihadist groups are Sunnite. But even then, most sunnis aren't terrorists, they are innocent bystanders being bombed, shelled and murdered. The religion actually has "thou shalt not kill", so all these groups, although they claim it's for the religion, they are mostly idiots who want to shoot people. Terrorism has no religion.
    2- In the past, your profit Muhammad went and killed innocent people to spread the religion, how does that make it a peaceful religion?
    Well, not very different from other religions, look this up before you say anything stupid.
    3- When Muhammad invaded the countries, he forced people to pay 'Zikya or convert to Islam, so if they didn't pay, they would die, how does that make Islam a peaceful religion?
    Answer to number 2, and again, if you followed the bible word for word, xenophobia and homophobia is encouraged, black people are inferior, slaves are okay.

    Actually, targeting islam is stupid, as a religion, it is peaceful, even more than most religions right now. Look at hinduism for example, YOU CAN BURN YOUR FUCKING WIFE IF SHE DOESNT MAKE YOU COFFEE EVERY MORNING.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyan0gen View Post
    I will present my points, you present yours
    1- Most of the Muslims we see are terrorists, Jihad, Al-Qaeda, SFA, then how is it a religion of peace ?
    Wow, this is an extremely uneducated and cultural insensitive thing to say, first of all, muslims are seperated into two groups, Sunnis, and the Shiites. They don't like each other, and there are more Shiites, while most Jihadist groups are Sunnite. But even then, most sunnis aren't terrorists, they are innocent bystanders being bombed, shelled and murdered. The religion actually has "thou shalt not kill", so all these groups, although they claim it's for the religion, they are mostly idiots who want to shoot people. Terrorism has no religion.
    2- In the past, your profit Muhammad went and killed innocent people to spread the religion, how does that make it a peaceful religion?
    Well, not very different from other religions, look this up before you say anything stupid.
    3- When Muhammad invaded the countries, he forced people to pay 'Zikya or convert to Islam, so if they didn't pay, they would die, how does that make Islam a peaceful religion?
    Answer to number 2, and again, if you followed the bible word for word, xenophobia and homophobia is encouraged, black people are inferior, slaves are okay.

    Actually, targeting islam is stupid, as a religion, it is peaceful, even more than most religions right now. Look at hinduism for example, YOU CAN BURN YOUR FUCKING WIFE IF SHE DOESNT MAKE YOU COFFEE EVERY MORNING.
    1. No true scotsman
    2. doesn't make it ok.
    3. Same as 2.

    Once again, atheism is the victor in these discussions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post

    1. No true scotsman
    2. doesn't make it ok.
    3. Same as 2.

    Once again, atheism is the victor in these discussions.
    Good thing I am an athiest, but I still want to defend those attacked just for what they believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post

    1. No true scotsman
    2. doesn't make it ok.
    3. Same as 2.

    Once again, atheism is the victor in these discussions.
    Ok I've been watching this whole time but I'm really sick of you using the no true scotsman fallacy. It's so fucking dumb.

    No true scotsman states that saying anything along the lines of "no true scotmans would do x" is a fallacy. Well this doesn't fucking apply to this scenario.

    What they're saying is that violence, unreasonable killing, etc... isn't part of Islam's teachings. They're not saying that no true muslim would kill. They're saying that Islam's scriptures, teachings, etc.. don't tell you to do this. This has nothing to do with the scotsman fallacy.

    Just because most of the people you're debating are dirt dumb doesn't mean you say shit you know they have knowledge of.

    Also, quit talking about the religion's history. Islam was spread through war. Cool. Does that make the religion's scriptures and teachings violent themselves? No. Does that change anything about the religion itself? No. History's history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferris Bueller View Post
    They're saying that Islam's scriptures, teachings, etc.. don't tell you to do this.
    Except they do....because they did......

    Do you need to read Islamic history/text again?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferris Bueller View Post
    Also, quit talking about the religion's history. Islam was spread through war. Cool. Does that make the religion's scriptures and teachings violent themselves? No. Does that change anything about the religion itself? No. History's history.
    Islamic history is that of those related to Muhammad and his followers as featured in the holy books of Islam.

    Please, do not trifle me with this "it doesn't matter". If Muhammad decapitated people, don't cry to me when someone says he supports violence.

    It's like you can't even comprehend how stupid it is to say it does not support it when there is blatant, offensive violence throughout Islamic text. Not only that, but commands to do violence, some even everlasting.


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    Hey guys if you don't join my religeon I'll kill you and eat your flesh and marry your six year old daughters. <---- Islam "freedom fighter" logic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by theanonymoussniffer View Post
    Hey guys if you don't join my religeon I'll kill you and eat your flesh and marry your six year old daughters. <---- Islam "freedom fighter" logic.
    What was it, "death to atheist" or something under sharia?

    Seems like a peaceful religion...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post
    Statement: There are 2 types of people in every religion (correct me if im wrong) the first is called the extremist and the other is normal

    Question: Which one is Muhammad?
    Big no. Religion is religion, religious are religious. Either a Muslim or not. Following Islam correctly or witnesses that no gods but only god who is Allah and Muhammad and other prophets are Allah's prophets? A Muslim (Though if he doesn't follow Islam correctly he will be punished until he is done of sins and then be in heaven). Other than that? Not a Muslim.

    And to answer your question, Muhammed is a Muslim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post
    in the holy books of Islam.
    Which holy books? There's only one holy book which is Qur'an. Prophet Speech is not always true. And that's how scholars define the type of that speech whether it was told to people and it is wrong (Wrong speech and prophet didn't say that) or a weak speech (90% untrue) or a correct speech (prophet said that).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frought View Post
    Big no. Religion is religion, religious are religious. Either a Muslim or not. Following Islam correctly or witnesses that no gods but only god who is Allah and Muhammad and other prophets are Allah's prophets? A Muslim (Though if he doesn't follow Islam correctly he will be punished until he is done of sins and then be in heaven). Other than that? Not a Muslim.

    And to answer your question, Muhammed is a Muslim.
    You guys really need to learn to read.

    The guy I was quoting said there are two types of people in every religion. To say "muhammad is a muslim" is irrelevant. We already accepted that he was a muslim, that's why I asked which one

    Which one was Muhammad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frought View Post
    Which holy books? There's only one holy book which is Qur'an. Prophet Speech is not always true. And that's how scholars define the type of that speech whether it was told to people and it is wrong (Wrong speech and prophet didn't say that) or a weak speech (90% untrue) or a correct speech (prophet said that).
    Well I could use just the quran. The hadiths back up the quran and are used in Islam, but that's ok if you choose to ignore them for the sake of evidence that doesn't benefit you.

    Either way.


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    don`t mistake religion with cultural beliefs, Islam as a religion is a great religion, it is said by great scientists. also, you say most Muslims you see are terrorists, why are you attacking Muslims with you`re worlds man? terrorists who claim to be Muslims or Jihadest would accumulate 1% or total Muslims. extremism is in all religions, its the media that's attacking Islam that dragged you on that too, you see Islam being blamed for everything in movies and shows, in the news, didn't you ever wonder why they don't show the bad Jews or the bad christens. you're falling for what they want you to fall for you fool, wake up and see the good side of Islam, read the history, Islam didn't teach terrorism, in fact Islam forbids these acts and any act that leads to such acts, the world fought Islam the moment it was out and they still fight it and they will keep fighting it, because they're scarred that it is the right religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seamaster View Post
    don`t mistake religion with cultural beliefs, Islam as a religion is a great religion, it is said by great scientists. also, you say most Muslims you see are terrorists, why are you attacking Muslims with you`re worlds man? terrorists who claim to be Muslims or Jihadest would accumulate 1% or total Muslims. extremism is in all religions, its the media that's attacking Islam that dragged you on that too, you see Islam being blamed for everything in movies and shows, in the news, didn't you ever wonder why they don't show the bad Jews or the bad christens. you're falling for what they want you to fall for you fool, wake up and see the good side of Islam, read the history, Islam didn't teach terrorism, in fact Islam forbids these acts and any act that leads to such acts, the world fought Islam the moment it was out and they still fight it and they will keep fighting it, because they're scarred that it is the right religion.
    I read that muhammad beheaded and executed people in the hundreds.

    Care to comment?
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