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    Quote Originally Posted by dylanwarcraft View Post
    I would say that Christians were more violent, Once rome accepted it (btw christianity is entirely based off roman ideals of christianity so dont even try to disconnect now) they went on and spread the religion throughout there territories and western europe (including UK) by essentially killing off the people that refused it ... but I digress. Islam actually simply was before the war in mekkha happened. Muhammad (SWT) asked men of his tribe to go about and spread the religions not by war but by good deeds and to help people regardless of wealth or physical well being. Then when men from other tribes started to move them away from there homes and killed them due to being Muslim Muhammad fought back (kinda the opposite of christians) and in tern took what would then be the arab nations to be a muslim nation. Forward about 90-134 years Romans see that the muslims are not only cutting off trade but are also spreading there religion throughtout there roman kingdoms (Mind you still peacefully). The Romans being crude killer fighting machines hell bent on ruling the world (similar to mini hitlers) would want to see to the end of the arab nations and start the "holy crusades". Where essentially they slaughter thousands and rape civilians you know for that child molesting religion that oppressis women and outsider beliefs.

    Of course the arab nations being well cultured having better infrastructure and being better educated were capable of defeating the romans (which we have proof of since most of the middle east is muslim) Once the muslim empires get through the sieging and wars against there peoples they continue to spread religion and gain in technological power. Which is why today we have most of our mathematics and ship/trade/health inventions. And then when most of the world starts progressing into a huge amount of modern tech and traversing the planet becomes easier muslims spread across the world and the wackjob muslims travel with them (every religion has them just christian wack jobs are pretttyyyyy normal after hundreds of years of killing raping pillaging and stealing).
    What Roman Ideals are you talking about? I'm curious because Jesus was killed by the Romans and I have no Idea what "roman ideals" means at the time.( since they were all worshipping the Greek/Roman gods of Zeus and whatnot.)
    +Not only that, Romans killed christians. What Ideals did Christianity possibly have off of the romans who slaughtered them?
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    Honestly I don't understand the naivety of the rest of your post.

    I'm going to guess you haven't actually read a history book or studied this at all. Because not only are you wrong, you seem to be at the level of uninformed I can only guess came from a lack of any research on the topic.

    Your perception of the middle east and rome is just childish nonsense.
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    But who are we kidding, with an unclear view of what's right and wrong, it's no wonder people kept using Islam for war, conquest, and immoral actions.

    http://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Ab...n_the_Qur%27an






    Probably posted too much for another stupid muslim who doesn't want to research anything, *sigh*.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Johnson View Post
    I'm just asking a little question here, which I would like you guys to discuss.


    How come your prophet is the only prophet in the abrahimic religions that spread his message through violence(conquests and such)?

    Christianity spread with missionaries.

    Judiasm spread with families/tribes etc...

    Almost all other prophets that were mentioned in the Quran such as Noah also spread their message with peaceful ways.

    However, Islam was the only religion that was spread in a violent manner.


    inb4 all you apologetic muslims. It's important to recognize the flaws of your religion, it doesn't make you a sinner.
    You're wrong buddy, learn Islam. The more you know and the more you like it. Trust me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dylanwarcraft View Post
    I would say that Christians were more violent, Once rome accepted it (btw christianity is entirely based off roman ideals of christianity so dont even try to disconnect now) they went on and spread the religion throughout there territories and western europe (including UK) by essentially killing off the people that refused it ... but I digress. Islam actually simply was before the war in mekkha happened. Muhammad (SWT) asked men of his tribe to go about and spread the religions not by war but by good deeds and to help people regardless of wealth or physical well being. Then when men from other tribes started to move them away from there homes and killed them due to being Muslim Muhammad fought back (kinda the opposite of christians) and in tern took what would then be the arab nations to be a muslim nation. Forward about 90-134 years Romans see that the muslims are not only cutting off trade but are also spreading there religion throughtout there roman kingdoms (Mind you still peacefully). The Romans being crude killer fighting machines hell bent on ruling the world (similar to mini hitlers) would want to see to the end of the arab nations and start the "holy crusades". Where essentially they slaughter thousands and rape civilians you know for that child molesting religion that oppressis women and outsider beliefs.

    Of course the arab nations being well cultured having better infrastructure and being better educated were capable of defeating the romans (which we have proof of since most of the middle east is muslim) Once the muslim empires get through the sieging and wars against there peoples they continue to spread religion and gain in technological power. Which is why today we have most of our mathematics and ship/trade/health inventions. And then when most of the world starts progressing into a huge amount of modern tech and traversing the planet becomes easier muslims spread across the world and the wackjob muslims travel with them (every religion has them just christian wack jobs are pretttyyyyy normal after hundreds of years of killing raping pillaging and stealing).
    There is so much wrong with these too paragraphs it's not even funny.


    First, let me make something clear to you. The crusades were not lead by the Roman Empire, they happened 500 years later. They were lead by the Roman Catholic Church. Although its name is is identical to rome, they are completely separate things.

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    Second, the Romans, at first, were completely against Christianity. Christianity was spread by St.Paul, who started churches in asia minor and greece. He later took his message to Rome, where him and Christians(who were mostly poor and/or slaves ) were prosecuted. In fact, Christians were blamed by Nero when a part of Rome burned down, which lead to Christians being murdered and arrested.


    So not only were you completely wrong about the Romans "spreading" Christianity, you also missed the fact that Jesus was crucified by the Romans.


    I don't understand why you think that romans and christians are the same thing even though they were pretty much enemies.

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    I'm not going to write further because I just saw (myboi)Empire's post so.

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangBaik View Post
    You're wrong buddy, learn Islam. The more you know and the more you like it. Trust me.
    BTW, I'm a muslim and have been a muslim for a long period of my life. I've gotten several certificates from several islamic schools and have read over 95 books on islam/muhammad/the companions, etc...

    So before you tell ME learn about islam, please go educate yourself.

    Also if you wish to debate; debate. Don't just say "You're wrong" without an argument.

    "“Religions are, by definition, metaphors, after all: God is a dream, a hope, a woman, an ironist, a father, a city, a house of many rooms, a watchmaker who left his prize chronometer in the desert, someone who loves you—even, perhaps, against all evidence, a celestial being whose only interest is to make sure your football team, army, business, or marriage thrives, prospers, and triumphs over all opposition. Religions are places to stand and look and act, vantage points from which to view the world. So none of this is happening. Such things could not occur. Never a word of it is literally true.” .”
    I was Martin Johnson

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    SO you dont fucking believe your own prophet is PERFECT? If u dont, u are a tard. If yes... hmm... Alhamdulillah

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangBaik View Post
    SO you dont fucking believe your own prophet is PERFECT? If u dont, u are a tard. If yes... hmm... Alhamdulillah
    From an outsiders point of view.

    He owned slaves, started a war, and didn't really set up a good system for future generations.

    He wasn't perfect by Muslim eyes, from mine he's just as bad as every other shmuck in history.


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    "Man has enslaved each other since they invented gods to forgive them for doing it." ~Abraham Lincoln~

    No religion is better then the other, each and every, has its up and downs..

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    There are people want to Distortion Islam Messages and tell people that Islam want to kill people, child, Women( Not Warriors), Elderly man.

    I want you to see what is MAJOR sins of Islam:

    70 MAJOR SINS IN ISLAM :

    01. Associating anything with ALLAH
    02. Murder
    03. Practising magic
    04. Not Praying
    05. Not paying Zakat
    06. Not fasting on a Day of Ramadan
    without excuse
    07. Not performing Hajj, while being able
    to do so
    08. Disrespect to parents
    09. Abandoning relatives
    10. Fornication and Adultery
    11. Homosexuality (sodomy)
    12. Interest (Riba)
    13. Wrongfully consuming the property of
    an orphan
    14. Lying about Allah and His Messenger
    (sala allahu alayhe wa salam)
    15. Running away from the battlefield
    16. A leader deceiving his people and
    being unjust to them
    17. Pride and arrogance
    18. Bearing false witness
    19. Drinking Khamr (wine)
    20. Gambling
    21. Slandering chaste women
    22. Stealing from the spoils of war
    23. Stealing
    24. Highway Robbery
    25. Taking false oath
    26. Oppression
    27. Illegal gain
    28. Consuming wealth acquired
    unlawfully
    29. Committing suicide
    30. Frequent lying
    31. Judging unjustly
    32. Giving and Accepting bribes
    33. Woman imitating man and man
    imitating woman
    34. Being cuckold
    35. Marrying a divorced woman in order
    to make her lawful for the husband
    36. Not protecting oneself from urine
    37. Showing-off
    38. Learning knowledge of the religion for
    the sake of this world and concealing
    that knowledge
    39. Betrayal of trust
    40. Recounting favours
    41. Denying Allah’s Decree
    42. Listening to people’s private
    conversations / eavesdropping
    43. Carrying tales
    44. Cursing
    45. Breaking contracts
    46. Believing in fortune-tellers and
    astrologers
    47. A woman’s bad conduct towards her
    husband
    48. Making statues and pictures
    49. Lamenting, wailing, tearing the
    clothing, and doing other things of this
    sort when an affliction befalls
    50. Treating others unjustly
    51. Overbearing conduct toward the wife,
    the servant, the weak, and animals
    52. Offending one’s neighbour
    53. Offending and abusing Muslims
    54. Offending people and having an
    arrogant attitude toward them
    55. Trailing one’s garment in pride
    56. Men wearing silk and gold
    57. A slave running away from his master
    58. Slaughtering an animal which has
    been dedicated to anyone other than
    ALLAH
    59. To knowingly ascribe one’s paternity
    to a father other than one’s own
    60. Arguing and disputing violently
    61. Withholding excess water
    62. Giving short weight or measure
    63. Feeling insecure from ALLAH’s Plan
    64. Offending ALLAH’s righteous friends
    65. Not praying in congregation but
    praying alone without an excuse
    66. Persistently missing Friday Prayers
    without any excuse
    67. Usurping the rights of the heir
    through bequests
    68. Deceiving and plotting evil
    69. Spying for the enemy of the Muslims
    70. Cursing or insulting any of the
    Companions of ALLAH’s Messenger (Sala
    allahu alayhe wa salam)
    May Allah (swt) Help us abstaining from
    falling into Major Sins

    Another way ? Go and live beside Muslim and see his manners, Real Muslims never hate someone and he know that this someone hate him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xXwhitepandaXx View Post
    "Man has enslaved each other since they invented gods to forgive them for doing it." ~Abraham Lincoln~

    No religion is better then the other, each and every, has its up and downs..
    Well then aren't all religions equally as bad and we shouldn't follow them?

    You see this is a common argument muslims put up. "My religion is just as bad as YOUR religion, so its ok!" Which anyone can see how stupid that is, but on a fundamental level it's surprising people don't realize that it's not ok to begin with.


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    Quote Originally Posted by samerlol View Post
    There are people want to Distortion Islam Messages and tell people that Islam want to kill people, child, Women( Not Warriors), Elderly man.

    I want you to see what is MAJOR sins of Islam:

    70 MAJOR SINS IN ISLAM :

    01. Associating anything with ALLAH
    02. Murder
    03. Practising magic
    04. Not Praying
    05. Not paying Zakat
    06. Not fasting on a Day of Ramadan
    without excuse
    07. Not performing Hajj, while being able
    to do so
    08. Disrespect to parents
    09. Abandoning relatives
    10. Fornication and Adultery
    11. Homosexuality (sodomy)
    12. Interest (Riba)
    13. Wrongfully consuming the property of
    an orphan
    14. Lying about Allah and His Messenger
    (sala allahu alayhe wa salam)
    15. Running away from the battlefield
    16. A leader deceiving his people and
    being unjust to them
    17. Pride and arrogance
    18. Bearing false witness
    19. Drinking Khamr (wine)
    20. Gambling
    21. Slandering chaste women
    22. Stealing from the spoils of war
    23. Stealing
    24. Highway Robbery
    25. Taking false oath
    26. Oppression
    27. Illegal gain
    28. Consuming wealth acquired
    unlawfully
    29. Committing suicide
    30. Frequent lying
    31. Judging unjustly
    32. Giving and Accepting bribes
    33. Woman imitating man and man
    imitating woman
    34. Being cuckold
    35. Marrying a divorced woman in order
    to make her lawful for the husband
    36. Not protecting oneself from urine
    37. Showing-off
    38. Learning knowledge of the religion for
    the sake of this world and concealing
    that knowledge
    39. Betrayal of trust
    40. Recounting favours
    41. Denying Allah’s Decree
    42. Listening to people’s private
    conversations / eavesdropping
    43. Carrying tales
    44. Cursing
    45. Breaking contracts
    46. Believing in fortune-tellers and
    astrologers
    47. A woman’s bad conduct towards her
    husband
    48. Making statues and pictures
    49. Lamenting, wailing, tearing the
    clothing, and doing other things of this
    sort when an affliction befalls
    50. Treating others unjustly
    51. Overbearing conduct toward the wife,
    the servant, the weak, and animals
    52. Offending one’s neighbour
    53. Offending and abusing Muslims
    54. Offending people and having an
    arrogant attitude toward them
    55. Trailing one’s garment in pride
    56. Men wearing silk and gold
    57. A slave running away from his master
    58. Slaughtering an animal which has
    been dedicated to anyone other than
    ALLAH
    59. To knowingly ascribe one’s paternity
    to a father other than one’s own
    60. Arguing and disputing violently
    61. Withholding excess water
    62. Giving short weight or measure
    63. Feeling insecure from ALLAH’s Plan
    64. Offending ALLAH’s righteous friends
    65. Not praying in congregation but
    praying alone without an excuse
    66. Persistently missing Friday Prayers
    without any excuse
    67. Usurping the rights of the heir
    through bequests
    68. Deceiving and plotting evil
    69. Spying for the enemy of the Muslims
    70. Cursing or insulting any of the
    Companions of ALLAH’s Messenger (Sala
    allahu alayhe wa salam)
    May Allah (swt) Help us abstaining from
    falling into Major Sins

    Another way ? Go and live beside Muslim and see his manners, Real Muslims never hate someone and he know that this someone hate him.
    Its not like Muslim is the only religion that has sins..

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