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    The Reason For Extremists

    The extremists do not follow Islam they follow Wahhabism. Most of them do not even know what Wahabism is and think it is Islam that they are following. Wahhabis kill more Muslims than non Muslims; they kill anyone who does not agree with them.

    What is Wahhabism?

    Wahhabism (Arabic: وهابية‎, Wahhābiyyah) is a radical religious movement or offshoot branch of Islam variously described as "orthodox", "ultraconservative", "austere", "fundamentalist", "puritanical" (or "puritan"), an Islamic "reform movement" to restore "pure monotheistic worship", or an "extremist movement". It aspires to return to the earliest fundamental Islamic sources of the Quran and Hadith with different interpretation from mainstream Islam, inspired by the teachings of Medieval theologian Ibn Taymiyyah and early jurist Ahmad ibn Hanbal. In July 2013, European Parliament identified the Wahhabi movement as the source of global terrorism and a threat to traditional and diverse Muslim cultures of the whole world. Many buildings associated with early Islam, including mazaars, mausoleums, and other artifacts, have been destroyed in Saudi Arabia by Wahhabis from the early 19th century through the present day.

    The majority of the world's Wahhabis are from Qatar, UAE, and Saudi Arabia. 22.9% of all Saudis are Wahhabis (concentrated in Najd). 46.87% of Qataris and 44.8% of Emiratis are Wahhabis. 5.7% of Bahrainis are Wahhabis and 2.17% of Kuwaitis are Wahhabis. A number of terrorist organizations adhering to the Wahhabi movement include al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and, more recently, ISIS.

    Initially, Wahhabism was a revivalist movement instigated by an eighteenth century theologian, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (1703–1792) from Najd, Saudi Arabia, who was opposed by his own father and brother for his non-traditional interpretation of Islam. He attacked a "perceived moral decline and political weakness" in the Arabian Peninsula and condemned what he perceived as idolatry, the popular cult of saints, and shrine and tomb visitation, advocating a purging of the widespread practices by Muslims that he considered impurities and innovations in Islam. He eventually convinced the local Amir, Uthman ibn Mu'ammar, to help him in his struggle. The movement gained unchallenged precedence in most of the Arabian Peninsula through an alliance between Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab and the House of Muhammad ibn Saud, which provided political and financial power for the religious revival represented by Ibn Abd al-Wahhab. The alliance created the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, where Mohammed bin Abd Al-Wahhab's teachings are state-sponsored and the dominant form of Islam in Saudi Arabia.

    The terms Wahhabi and Salafi and ahl al-hadith (people of hadith) are often used interchangeably, but Wahhabism has also been called "a particular orientation within Salafism", considered ultra-conservative and which rejects traditional Islamic legal scholarship as unnecessary innovation. Salafism, on the other hand, has been termed as the hybridation between the teachings of Ibn Abdul-Wahhab and others which have taken place since the 1960s.
    If you want to continue to read about it: Wahhabi movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Map of the Middle East before WW1




    Map of the Middle East after WW1



    Before world war one, most of the middle east was controlled by the Ottoman Empire. Modern day countries such as iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc did not even exist. After the fall of the Ottoman Empire, all of those countries had their borders mapped out by the Zionists controlling western governments. They purposefully had those borders to create ethnic conflict in the region and then they put puppet dictators controlled by them in power.

    Sykes–Picot Agreement

    The Sykes–Picot Agreement, officially known as the Asia Minor Agreement, was a secret agreement between the governments of the United Kingdom and France, with the assent of Russia, defining their proposed spheres of influence and control in the Middle East should the Triple Entente succeed in defeating the Ottoman Empire during World War I. The negotiation of the treaty occurred between November 1915 and March 1916. The agreement was concluded on 16 May 1916.

    The agreement effectively divided the Arab provinces of the Ottoman Empire outside the Arabian peninsula into areas of future British and French control or influence. The terms were negotiated by the French diplomat François Georges-Picot and British Sir Mark Sykes.

    British–Zionist discussions during the negotiations

    Following the outbreak of World War I, Zionism was first discussed at a British Cabinet level on 9 November 1914, four days after Britain's declaration of war on the Ottoman Empire. At a Cabinet meeting David Lloyd George, Chancellor of the Exchequer, "referred to the ultimate destiny of Palestine." Lloyd George's law firm Lloyd George, Roberts and Co had been engaged a decade before by the Zionists to work on the Uganda Scheme.[9] In a discussion after the meeting with fellow Zionist Herbert Samuel, who had a seat in the Cabinet as President of the Local Government Board, Lloyd George assured him that "he was very keen to see a Jewish state established in Palestine." Samuel then outlined the Zionist position more fully in a conversation with Foreign Secretary Edward Grey. He spoke of Zionist aspirations for the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish state, and of the importance of its geographical position to the British Empire. Samuel's memoirs state: "I mentioned that two things would be essential—that the state should be neutralized, since it could not be large enough to defend itself, and that the free access of Christian pilgrims should be guaranteed. ... I also said it would be a great advantage if the remainder of Syria were annexed by France, as it would be far better for the state to have a European power as neighbour than the Turk" The same evening, Prime Minister H. H. Asquith announced that the dismemberment of the Turkish Empire had become a war aim in a speech at the Lord Mayor's Banquet.

    In January 1915, Samuel submitted a Zionist memorandum entitled The Future of Palestine to the Cabinet after discussions with Weizmann and Lloyd George. On 5 February 1915, Samuel had another discussion with Grey: "When I asked him what his solution was he said it might be possible to neutralize the country under international guarantee ... and to vest the government of the country in some kind of Council to be established by the Jews" After further conversations with Lloyd George and Grey, Samuel circulated a revised text to the Cabinet in the middle of March 1915.

    Zionism or the Jewish question were not considered by the report of the de Bunsen Committee, prepared to determine British wartime policy toward the Ottoman Empire, submitted in June 1915.

    Prior to the departure of Sykes to meet Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Sazonov in Petrograd on 27 February 1916, Sykes was approached with a plan by Samuel. The plan put forward by Samuel was in the form of a memorandum which Sykes thought prudent to commit to memory and destroy.[citation needed] Commenting on it, Sykes wrote to Samuel suggesting that if Belgium should assume the administration of Palestine it might be more acceptable to France as an alternative to the international administration which she wanted and the Zionists did not. Of the boundaries marked on a map attached to the memorandum he wrote:

    "By excluding Hebron and the East of the Jordan there is less to discuss with the Moslems, as the Mosque of Omar then becomes the only matter of vital importance to discuss with them and further does away with any contact with the bedouins, who never cross the river except on business. I imagine that the principal object of Zionism is the realization of the ideal of an existing center of nationality rather than boundaries or extent of territory. The moment I return I will let you know how things stand at Pd."
    Sykes–Picot Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Ottoman Empire ruled the middle east for around 600 years and there was hardly any conflict during that time. Conversely the last 100 years the middle east has seen so much conflict because of the Zionists. The western governments do not want to do anything because they are controlled by Zionists. Everyone now knows politics is a just a game and to be a good politician you need to be a good liar.

    The money the west pays for oil is just reinvested back into western companies. Al-Waleed bin Talal is a Saudi prince and has fortune of 20-30 million dollars. All of that money is in shares of western companies, AOL, Apple Inc., MCI Inc., Motorola, Fox News. The rest of the money is used to brainwash Muslims into Wahabi ideology across the Middle East and Africa, they spend billions. It leads to ignorant people in the middle east hating the west and ignorant westerners hating Muslims.
    Science is learning about the creation, Islam is learning about the creator.

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    This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah(God) - 2:2 Quran
    Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them, - 2:3 Quran
    And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith]. - 2:4 Quran
    Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. - 2:5 Quran
    Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. - 2:6 Quran

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    Quote Originally Posted by robinvanpersie View Post
    Most of them do not even know what Wahabism is and think it is Islam that they are following.
    I find it absolutely hilarious that you say this, considering how Wahabis follow the Quran in its exact and most literal interpretation. By what Muhammad himself preached, and by what the Quran states, Wahabis would actually be considered the truest of Muslims.
    When the earth is changed into a humid dungeon,
    In which Hope like a bat
    Goes beating the walls with her timid wings
    And knocking her head against the rotten ceiling;
    When the rain stretching out its endless train
    Imitates the bars of a vast prison
    And a silent horde of loathsome spiders
    Comes to spin their webs in the depths of our brains,
    All at once the bells leap with rage
    And hurl a frightful roar at heaven,
    Even as wandering spirits with no country
    Burst into a stubborn, whimpering cry.
    — And without drums or music, long hearses
    Pass by slowly in my soul; Hope, vanquished,
    Weeps, and atrocious, despotic Anguish
    On my bowed skull plants her black flag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aborted View Post

    I find it absolutely hilarious that you say this, considering how Wahabis follow the Quran in its exact and most literal interpretation. By what Muhammad himself preached, and by what the Quran states, Wahabis would actually be considered the truest of Muslims.
    No they don't. Look at my other thread at when fighting is justified in Islam. Also committing suicide is a major sin and they agree with suicide attacks. Anyone who has studied Islam know they are not following what the Quran teaches.
    Last edited by robinvanpersie; 07-15-2014 at 08:39 AM.
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    And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith]. - 2:4 Quran
    Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. - 2:5 Quran
    Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. - 2:6 Quran

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    Quote Originally Posted by robinvanpersie View Post

    1. Before world war one, most of the middle east was controlled by the Ottoman Empire. Modern day countries such as iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc did not even exist. After the fall of the Ottoman Empire, all of those countries had their borders mapped out by the Zionists controlling western governments. They purposefully had those borders to create ethnic conflict in the region and then they put puppet dictators controlled by them in power.

    2. The Ottoman Empire ruled the middle east for around 600 years and there was hardly any conflict during that time. Conversely the last 100 years the middle east has seen so much conflict because of the Zionists. The western governments do not want to do anything because they are controlled by Zionists. Everyone now knows politics is a just a game and to be a good politician you need to be a good liar.

    3. The money the west pays for oil is just reinvested back into western companies. Al-Waleed bin Talal is a Saudi prince and has fortune of 20-30 million dollars. All of that money is in shares of western companies, AOL, Apple Inc., MCI Inc., Motorola, Fox News. The rest of the money is used to brainwash Muslims into Wahabi ideology across the Middle East and Africa, they spend billions. It leads to ignorant people in the middle east hating the west and ignorant westerners hating Muslims.
    1. *sigh* typical muslim blaming "zionist" for everything. Of course there is no link or proof this. Anyone who isn't familiar with robin know this: Robin likes to make outrageous claims then never, EVER back them up.
    Zionist count: 1
    Reason: Blaming Zionist for creating the middle eastern countries borders.
    Objection: No proof, no logic either. It's attributing zionism to conflicts that have no relation.

    2. The ottoman empire ruled for almost 600 years, however "hardly any conflict" is a blatant lie. It not only rose through war, it had a lot of wars throughout the length of the empire. To say there was "more war" in the middle east in the last 100 years than the ottoman empire would be foolishly ignorant of history.
    List of wars involving the Ottoman Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Zionist count: 2
    Reason: Blaming the conflict(all of it) on zionist.
    Objection: No proof or logic. "Zionist did it" without any reason as to why they would.
    Reason#2: Blaming the lack of intervention on zionist.
    Objection: Again, any lack of intervention can be attributed to zionist if there is no requirement of proof. It's an unfalsifiable claim, which is a fallacy.
    Unfalsifiability

    3. The irony? If they spent billions to have ignorant Muslims hate against the west, then you clearly fell for it as you think Zionist cause everything.
    -Not that this has any proof backing it, but just a thought.

    ================================================== ============

    In short the OP provided no proof to back his claims.

    If you make a thread talking about general world history, you need proof or at least a logical chain of events. Simply chalking up close to a hundred years of history to "it's the zionist fault" will just make you look like a complete idiot.


    If I was mod of this section I'd temp-ban users for posting this shit.
    Last edited by Empire; 07-15-2014 at 04:06 PM.


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    The US has sent 84 billion dollars of American tax payers money to Israel. Why on earth would they do that if the American government is not being controlled by Zionists? Why did Britain decide to go to the middle east and create a Jewish state if it is not controlled by Zionists? For what purpose and what business of theirs was it to go and invade land thousands of miles away for the purpose of Zionist Jews. You have no common sense. You will only believe something if they actually claim it on TV which they obviously won't. I bet you still believe the Iraq war was about weapons of mass destruction and Saddam Hussein.
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    Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. - 2:5 Quran
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    Quote Originally Posted by robinvanpersie View Post
    The jews did it.
    99% of all your arguments rit thur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robinvanpersie View Post
    The extremists do not follow Islam they follow Wahhabism. Most of them do not even know what Wahabism is and think it is Islam that they are following. Wahhabis kill more Muslims than non Muslims; they kill anyone who does not agree with them.
    They should all be drowned at birth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by robinvanpersie View Post
    The US has sent 84 billion dollars of American tax payers money to Israel. Why on earth would they do that if the American government is not being controlled by Zionists? Why did Britain decide to go to the middle east and create a Jewish state if it is not controlled by Zionists? For what purpose and what business of theirs was it to go and invade land thousands of miles away for the purpose of Zionist Jews. You have no common sense. You will only believe something if they actually claim it on TV which they obviously won't. I bet you still believe the Iraq war was about weapons of mass destruction and Saddam Hussein.
    How do you know they're Zionists? Where's the proof? Are you sure it's not Scientologists or Illurmanazis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robinvanpersie View Post
    The US has sent 84 billion dollars of American tax payers money to Israel. Why on earth would they do that if the American government is not being controlled by Zionists? Why did Britain decide to go to the middle east and create a Jewish state if it is not controlled by Zionists? For what purpose and what business of theirs was it to go and invade land thousands of miles away for the purpose of Zionist Jews. You have no common sense. You will only believe something if they actually claim it on TV which they obviously won't. I bet you still believe the Iraq war was about weapons of mass destruction and Saddam Hussein.
    Man you are just fucking stupid.

    US military and economic aid investments in the Middle East still can't buy peace

    Israel recieved only what, 20-30% more than everyone else?


    Seriously, just get the fuck out. This thread is done on the first page.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    Man you are just fucking stupid.

    US military and economic aid investments in the Middle East still can't buy peace

    Israel recieved only what, 20-30% more than everyone else?


    Seriously, just get the fuck out. This thread is done on the first page.
    All those countries have puppet governments for the Zionists. The total aid for those 10 countries was 299 billion while Israel alone has received 185 billion, more than half. Israel received 123 billion in military aid while all those 10 countries put together received 127 billion. You didn't answer why Israel is receiving so much and why did Britain create Israel in the first place if their governments are not controlled by Zionists?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nevs666 View Post
    99% of all your arguments rit thur.
    I am not talking about Jews but Zionists there is a big difference. Zionists do not believe in God and they are the ones that people hate.
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    How do you know they're Zionists? Where's the proof? Are you sure it's not Scientologists or Illurmanazis?
    The Illuminati are the ones who have created Zionism and Wahabism. Zionism is the political movement using Judaism as an excuse, and Wahabism is the political movement using Islam as an excuse. The people who are Zionists are in the illuminati/New world order/or whatever it is you want to call it. The goal was to make people hate Judaism and Islam.
    Science is learning about the creation, Islam is learning about the creator.

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    And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith]. - 2:4 Quran
    Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. - 2:5 Quran
    Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. - 2:6 Quran

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    Quote Originally Posted by robinvanpersie View Post
    The US has sent 84 billion dollars of American tax payers money to Israel. Why on earth would they do that if the American government is not being controlled by Zionists? Why did Britain decide to go to the middle east and create a Jewish state if it is not controlled by Zionists? For what purpose and what business of theirs was it to go and invade land thousands of miles away for the purpose of Zionist Jews. You have no common sense. You will only believe something if they actually claim it on TV which they obviously won't. I bet you still believe the Iraq war was about weapons of mass destruction and Saddam Hussein.
    The money is sent because we are in a written binding agreement to protect and provide aid to Israel, we signed it at the end of WWII. Get rid of your tinfoil hat fool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lehsyrus View Post


    The money is sent because we are in a written binding agreement to protect and provide aid to Israel, we signed it at the end of WWII. Get rid of your tinfoil hat fool.
    Why was the agreement signed to send billions in military aid to Israel every year and to even create the Jewish state of Israel? It is common sense the people in power were Zionists who signed it. It is like the US government announcing that they are going to create a scientologist state and that they are going to send billions in military aid every year. Obviously if that happens then scientologists have an influence on the government.
    Science is learning about the creation, Islam is learning about the creator.

    Alif, Lam, Meem. - 2:1 Quran
    This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah(God) - 2:2 Quran
    Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them, - 2:3 Quran
    And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith]. - 2:4 Quran
    Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. - 2:5 Quran
    Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. - 2:6 Quran

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lehsyrus View Post


    The money is sent because we are in a written binding agreement to protect and provide aid to Israel, we signed it at the end of WWII. Get rid of your tinfoil hat fool.
    Why was the agreement signed to send billions in military aid to Israel every year and to even create the Jewish state of Israel? It is common sense the people in power were Zionists who signed it. It is like the US government announcing that they are going to create a scientologist state and that they are going to send billions in military aid every year. Obviously if that happens then scientologists have an influence on the government.
    Science is learning about the creation, Islam is learning about the creator.

    Alif, Lam, Meem. - 2:1 Quran
    This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah(God) - 2:2 Quran
    Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them, - 2:3 Quran
    And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith]. - 2:4 Quran
    Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. - 2:5 Quran
    Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. - 2:6 Quran

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