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    Quote Originally Posted by Liz View Post
    The only truth I know, and this transcends religion, race, ethnic group, or even country. people should do right by other people, that's the only way this world will get better. WE just have to do right by others, help where we can, and stop caring so much about what others think happens after we die, when we die, we wont see them, so why worry. It's whilst we are here, that life is tough enough as it is, that we should help each other out, and make this world a truly great one.
    I agree, and that would be awesome. If only the religion problems in the world today were based entirely on what everyone believes will happen when they die. But, it's much more than that. A person's religion determines the principle they live by, their attitude, how they go about their day, how they treat others, and overall how well they function in a society. And in most cases, these religions are built to function in the culture and society they were started in, and so they do not mix at all. For example, When, either the jews or the muslims i cannot remember, Migrated from where there religion had been based out of for many years and had developed the prohibition of pork consumption, to a new land and turned that area into a jewish/muslim majority, well it turns out this area was big on hogs, and the previous situation this area was in allowed for these hogs to be kept in check. Now, they cant eat pork, so they have no reason to kill these animals, and in a short matter they become over populated. Wouldnt be a problem, only, these animals burrow into the ground to find food, and i mean large holes, so you have an over populated group of animals that burrow into the ground to find food, and because there over populated food becomes scarce and so they dig more and more, and eventually destroy countless crops and kill off miles of forestry. So the jews/muslims are starving and they go back where they came from.

    Jist: A religion, without reform, is made for the culture and environment it was largely created in and does not mix well with others without consequence.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bawls of steel View Post
    Very good point Liz, but the thing is the bible doesn't say anything
    about not making Muslims or Jews your friends because they are against Jesus.
    Those excerpts I posted earlier are directly from the Qu'ran
    Muslims advocate personal and religious scrutiny
    Fundamentally, they are not a religion of peace.
    They are a religion of self proclaimed superiority.
    Sorry i keep quoting and editing you steel, But Jesus said exactly that which the Qu'ran says about Christians and others.

    He told his followers to abandon their family of non believers, he told a man wishing to bury his father before he followed Jesus on their journey and Jesus said to him "Leave the Dead to the Dead and follow me to the kingdom of heaven, For any man who would put his hand to the plow and look back does not belong in my fathers Kingdom."

    In other words he's telling the man to leave his father(actually dead) to the rest of his family and friends who are non believers(metaphorically dead) and that by looking back or re thinking leaving behind the "dead" they do not belong in his fathers kingdom(heaven).
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    Quote Originally Posted by cole32547 View Post
    I agree, and that would be awesome. If only the religion problems in the world today were based entirely on what everyone believes will happen when they die. But, it's much more than that. A person's religion determines the principle they live by, their attitude, how they go about their day, how they treat others, and overall how well they function in a society. And in most cases, these religions are built to function in the culture and society they were started in, and so they do not mix at all. For example, When, either the jews or the muslims i cannot remember, Migrated from where there religion had been based out of for many years and had developed the prohibition of pork consumption, to a new land and turned that area into a jewish/muslim majority, well it turns out this area was big on hogs, and the previous situation this area was in allowed for these hogs to be kept in check. Now, they cant eat pork, so they have no reason to kill these animals, and in a short matter they become over populated. Wouldnt be a problem, only, these animals burrow into the ground to find food, and i mean large holes, so you have an over populated group of animals that burrow into the ground to find food, and because there over populated food becomes scarce and so they dig more and more, and eventually destroy countless crops and kill off miles of forestry. So the jews/muslims are starving and they go back where they came from.

    Jist: A religion, without reform, is made for the culture and environment it was largely created in and does not mix well with others without consequence.




    Sorry i keep quoting and editing you steel, But Jesus said exactly that which the Qu'ran says about Christians and others.

    He told his followers to abandon their family of non believers, he told a man wishing to bury his father before he followed Jesus on their journey and Jesus said to him "Leave the Dead to the Dead and follow me to the kingdom of heaven, For any man who would put his hand to the plow and look back does not belong in my fathers Kingdom."

    In other words he's telling the man to leave his father(actually dead) to the rest of his family and friends who are non believers(metaphorically dead) and that by looking back or re thinking leaving behind the "dead" they do not belong in his fathers kingdom(heaven).
    That wasn't the point I was making.
    I don't really live my life for the bible word for word
    but find me in the bible in one place,
    where it says "Don't take jews or Muslims as your friends"
    That in itself is a pretty shitty message
    There is good and bad in every culture, and yes every religion.
    But to promote the denial of friendship under religious bias...
    Well that is just wrong, in my opinion.
    I'm sure there are good Muslims, I'm not saying that.
    But the fundamentals of this religion,
    Make it kind of easy to be taken out of context in an extremist way
    Especially in some places in the Middle east,
    that don't have proper funding for education.
    Ignorance to everything else but Islam's values,builds extremism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bawls of steel View Post
    That wasn't the point I was making.
    I don't really live my life for the bible word for word
    but find me in the bible in one place,
    where it says "Don't take jews or Muslims as your friends"
    That in itself is a pretty shitty message
    There is good and bad in every culture, and yes every religion.
    But to promote the denial of friendship under religious bias...
    Well that is just wrong, in my opinion.
    I'm sure there are good Muslims, I'm not saying that.
    But the fundamentals of this religion,
    Make it kind of easy to be taken out of context in an extremist way
    Especially in some places in the Middle east,
    that don't have proper funding for education.
    Ignorance to everything else but Islam's values,builds extremism.
    yeah, its wrong, But it happens all the time, Just so happens the Islamic people express that value much more because they have such a large and radical religion, as compared to, say, Orthodox Jewish communities who Have little or no contact to the world outside of their own "haven" unless it is with other Orthodox Jews. So yes you're right, the Islamic people left to their own are an unstable people, these people will never be able to adopt democracy and im not saying that because they are unable to intellectually or anything like that, but because of the tyrants, democracy is people's choice, and without even being close to having the enforcement and technology that we in America have, Tyrants will always end up electing themselves eventually and will always have support because of how much dissent there is in those countries.
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    Also people gotta remember, we dont know what those men THOUSANDS of years ago were thinking, how they expressed themselves, their daily life, how can we possibly want to relate those writings to OUR life when they did not get bombarded with as much as we do, that's prob why countries in the middle east are less advanced, bc they keep trying to recollect those ancient days when the world demands change.


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    Exactly, what the middle east needs is a major reform in their religion that is needed to adapt to current times, it will diversify them sure, and it does all religions that have done it when its been needed of them to do it, Major Jewish Reform after their temple was destroyed is what caused Christianity to become recognized as its own religion after 40 years of being a branch of Judaism. If they don't reform willingly soon i'm sure it will get to the point in the future where they must or their religion will die out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cole32547 View Post
    Exactly, what the middle east needs is a major reform in their religion that is needed to adapt to current times, it will diversify them sure, and it does all religions that have done it when its been needed of them to do it, Major Jewish Reform after their temple was destroyed is what caused Christianity to become recognized as its own religion after 40 years of being a branch of Judaism. If they don't reform willingly soon i'm sure it will get to the point in the future where they must or their religion will die out.
    Acutally, we have Israel and we still have a very strong muslim and Jewish thing there.

    Saudia Arabia is a perfect example, it is a modern country with a powerful king, a powerful military, an allies and trusted member of USA and Israel, and yet it laws is the Q'uran, the laws are ALL base on the Muslim rules of the Q'uran. Everything is about it and the King.

    So, I see your logic as flawed.

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    the only thing thats keeping muslim alive is the oil!
    in the future when we will move to sunlight/electric stuff i guess its will be end of islam
    if he wont stop his terrorism and racism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouzie View Post
    Acutally, we have Israel and we still have a very strong muslim and Jewish thing there.

    Saudia Arabia is a perfect example, it is a modern country with a powerful king, a powerful military, an allies and trusted member of USA and Israel, and yet it laws is the Q'uran, the laws are ALL base on the Muslim rules of the Q'uran. Everything is about it and the King.

    So, I see your logic as flawed.

    Saudi Arabia is a modern country, but it doesn't represent the whole. For the Majority of Middle eastern countries, Democracy would fail at this point. Modernization and reform is needed ,i believe, For these countries to adopt a more stable ,structured, system. But, its not as if the people living in these countries don't understand that their society is not at a position to adopt Democracy due to having an unstable structure. Where i have lived, people understood this, they weren't happy about it, but they understood it. And about the oil thing, maybe it will ruin them maybe not, it is entirely up to them. Possibly the reduction in fossil fuel use will give them cause for a big change that will improve their general comfort of living, maybe it will ruin them and comfort of living will decrease, or maybe they'll find a way to keep going on as they have been. I can't say. And please no one say that these countries do have a stable structured system, because when, in the majority of these countries, you have people living in fear of turning on their car, driving down the street, going to sleep to gunshots and bombings, and the many random killings they have on the streets every day and every night from bored soldiers sitting on rooftops. Then their is no stability, and no structure, what so ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardrock80s View Post
    DONT READ THIS GARBAGE
    Muslim will always be garbage and killers
    you want read about killing innocent people?

    Your a Fag-Get A Fucking Life-Your A Racist Bastard Whore, Stressed On Your Peiod
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    Quote Originally Posted by raphaterz View Post

    Your a Fag-Get A Fucking Life-Your A Racist Bastard Whore, Stressed On Your Peiod
    ~Fuck You

    Fuck off you pussy muslim

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    This whole section fails. Its full of racist bigots.



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    As paroxysm would probally say:

    Facts can be proven.

    -So whole thread is fail lulz.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post
    As paroxysm would probally say:

    Facts can be proven.

    -So whole thread is fail lulz.
    The moment Dave gives me Mod of the debate section all these

    "Don't judge Islam for one day you will be a muslim"
    douchebags are getting banned.
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    I think you should be the mod of the debate lulz, your the most known person on here.


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