What the fuck is happening in Charlottesville?

[HeroicXPharaoh]

Neo-Nazi protestors, and now an anti-nazi protest was attacked ? Are we in the fucking 40's again?

1 Dead, 19 Injured
Videos of car attack
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Below: Happens at roughly 8:25
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1nAKEeqYAqXKL
Below: skip to 7:29
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1lDxLkeLygzJm

[TaoO5]

1 dead 19 injured

[Poison]

Neo-Nazi coming out cus trump, they think racism, xenophobia, homophobia is ok now

[Gaydow]

No different than Black Lives Matter protests. Just this time people are calling the white protestors racist and nazis.
Not a Trump supporter but the man is right. Media in America is fucking retarded, they're biased and make anyone that doesn't support the new pussy snowflake agenda seem like "racists" or "bigots".

https://fortune.com/2015/11/02/liberal-media/

This shit's actually making me side with Trump.

[[MPGH]AVGN]

Two groups, Nazis and Antifa, got into some shit in Charlottesville in an attempt to settle which group is the dumbest.

[Rudol Von Stroheim]

So on Friday pro-confederate people protested taking down a statue of person who was associated with the Confederacy in the Civil War (protest took place in Uni. of Virginia). Think protesting taking down the Confederate flag kind of deal.

However, what makes them "White Nationalists" was some kind of weird ass chant they were saying "you will not replace us". Which clearly means they (at least the leading voices in the crowd) consider their identity to be on the line if that statue was taken down, a position taken by many blatant white nationalists who think that their culture is being destroyed and that they have their birth right to this land and African Americans the birth right to their land in Africa and the rest of the races to their origin.

This contrasts their position to mine which would be "I wanted history to remain intact no matter what the story behind it. Maybe altered so that the full picture of that person could be known, but the fact of how he was viewed by others must remain intact". So at this point I feel satisfied to say that this crowd was dominantly white nationalist (and thus, making it the "2 right 4 me" opinion. I could say why I disagree with their position, but I would rather just stick to the topic at hand, the violence).

There were also counter-protesters (obviously) there. General non-Confederate people. I don't really know their story since they weren't as vocal about it on any videos I found or on any articles I looked at. So they are a big question mark for me.

The situation at some point descended into violence, obviously, this is 2017, politics doesn't go well for us.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/vi...a-campus-video

So that brings us to Saturday. Since the two sides were supporting the same causes as Friday night (one being an all-white group of gun totting confederates and the other being BLM "anti-fascists") I would like to assume that they were the same people from last night. That situation also erupted into similar violence which resulted in the car hitting people in a BLM crowd. This time I get to see a better picture of the Leftists. They seem like a conglomerate of things. The ordinary moderates to the more extreme antifa-esque crowd were there.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...sville/536661/

 

Since I was watching CNN, most of the people there (who weren't pro Trump) said it was the White Nationalist's fault for having one of their own plowing into people as well as being "intimidating" due to their makeshift shields and weapons (and those with guns as well) which seems like they raring to fight (so they were most likely to be the instigators) and/or trying to intimidate the opposition (the photos show the shields), not go out and protest like a normal crowd. They are also W.N, and their particular brand of politics has been associated with violence towards others (KKK / neo nazis aren't the most peaceful bunch), so that increases the odds a tad bit.

I'm not totally sure where to side on this. On both days I haven't seen any sources actually INDICATE who started the riot, so I can't really put blame solely on one side in that regard.

However, the W.N were definitely armed with makeshift weapons to protect against attack so it seems like they were expecting violence.
On the other hand, we definitely have seen how pro-Trump crowds go when anti-Trumpers get involved so that may be why they had weapons, to be safe against instigators.

And lets not forget that the leftist side wasn't completely unarmed, either (though not to the same degree at the pictures)



So at this point I decided to consider the information too inconclusive to derive any conclusion. All we have are pictures of people with and without weapons on both sides (one side more than the other [or so it may seem. There aren't any NUMBERS to that. so don't just assume the pictures paint an accurate picture]), video showing heated protests and anti-protests, and chaotic violence. We can only make a bunch of hypotheses of what is MOST LIKELY the root cause from that, not the definitive cause.

As for the car, he PROBABLY did commit domestic terrorism. It could've been road rage or something like that, buuut considering just how often I see leftists get hit by cars and what actually took place in the video, he likely did domestic terrorism. I can condemn him but I can't say he represents the totality of those sharing his ideology but instead see if there is a stemming problem in his ideology/crowd which may foster his decision, just as I would a Muslim.



So when I hear just about every CNN person ACTIVELY trash the protesters as if they were the sole instigators involved with undeniable proof, either they have some hidden spin objectives or they know things that I don't, in which case I would really like to see it. Sure, they can say bad about the car guy, but I would like that to be treated like they would Muslim terrorism and say "hey, until there is a clear cut linkage to this guy and the majority of people's opinion's there, we will focus on the bad THIS ONE GUY DID.

This brings us to Trump's statements/tweet. I feel like that is a statement I would've given (though for different reasons). Instead of just saying both sides are wrong, I would've said the only reason why I'm not harder on one side is because I don't know who instigated it. I would also make clear that my political views would be separate from my views on who did the wrong thing. Also, instead of tweeting, I would've just given what I'm writing now.

If anyone could add any important info that may determine who is at fault here, I would be open to seeing it.

[Copperhorse]

2 police officers killed flying their helicopter over the rally as well.

[Rudol Von Stroheim]

anyone that doesn't support the new pussy snowflake agenda seem like "racists" or "bigots".

This seems like what White Nationalists would say. YOU WILL NOT REPLACE US. Most White Nationalists are of the belief that the Left is trying to eradicate them and their culture (mostly their culture) and replace them with foreigners. They also tend to believe that they have their right to this land and African Americans Africa, etc for all races.

For Example:


So if the leading voice of the crowd is saying "You will not replace us", it would seem to fit that most of those people feel the same way the W.N in the above video does, making them blatant White Nationalists, regardless of whether that makes them bad or not.

Note: The sound to my computer isn't working so I can't listen to these videos so if they don't say "You will not replace us", I'll just give this

https://www****c.com/news/av/world-as...not-replace-us

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I guess I can type bbc but not bbc?

Anyways, here https://www.b <Remove this space> bc.com/news/av/world-asia-40911744/white-us-nationalists-chant-you-will-not-replace-us

[Bernard]

Anyone who supports any version of any kind of Confederacy should be seen as threats to the union of the United States and should be treated as such. The Confederacy committed treason against our great country. Any statue commemorating these traitors should in fact be taken down. As for the history, it's well written in history books and the internet. Fuck the Confederacy. Nearly a million Americans died to protect the United States from them. Anyone that says that being a part of the Confederacy is a part of their history is basically saying that their history is tainted with treason against our nation and that they're proud of being traitors.

And fuck anyone who thinks that this country is theirs. If you're a citizen of the United States, you belong here just as much as anyone else. This isn't a white country, a black country, not even a Native American country even though they were here first. The United States is a country where those from all around the world come to strike gold. If you fail at that, don't blame others for your own shortcomings.

[Predator]

[Royce]

No different than Black Lives Matter protests. Just this time people are calling the white protestors racist and nazis.
Not a Trump supporter but the man is right. Media in America is fucking retarded, they're biased and make anyone that doesn't support the new pussy snowflake agenda seem like "racists" or "bigots".

https://fortune.com/2015/11/02/liberal-media/

This shit's actually making me side with Trump.

Lmao shadow you are really retarded.

[[MPGH]Cursed]

Lmao shadow you are really retarded.

Instead of just calling him retarded, please debate what he said. PLEASE debate and not insult, as I would love to shut you down because Shadow has a valid point. But from what I am seeing, there are actually some racists though.

[Rudol Von Stroheim]

Anyone who supports any version of any kind of Confederacy should be seen as threats to the union of the United States and should be treated as such. The Confederacy committed treason against our great country. Any statue commemorating these traitors should in fact be taken down. As for the history, it's well written in history books and the internet. Fuck the Confederacy. Nearly a million Americans died to protect the United States from them. Anyone that says that being a part of the Confederacy is a part of their history is basically saying that their history is tainted with treason against our nation and that they're proud of being traitors.

"More than any other part of America, the South stands apart. Thousands of Northerners and foreigners have migrated to it ... but Southerners they will not become. For this is still a place where you must have either been born or have 'people' there, to feel it is your native ground. "Natives will tell you this. They are proud to be Americans, but they are also proud to be Virginians, South Carolinians, Tennesseeans, Mississippians and Texans. But they are conscious of another loyalty too, one that transcends the usual ties of national patriotism and state pride. It is a loyalty to a place where habits are strong and memories are long. If those memories could speak, they would tell stories of a region powerfully shaped by its history and determined to pass it on to future generations."
— Tim Jacobson, Heritage of the South

I theorize that this kind of thinking is the reason why many Southerners identify with the Confederacy. They are Southerners before Americans. And they see the Confederacy different from how you see it.

They don't see "Nearly a million Americans died to protect the United States from them. Anyone that says that being a part of the Confederacy is a part of their history is basically saying that their history is tainted with treason against our nation and that they're proud of being traitors" but maybe they see their national identity (as Southerners) in a country controlled by Northerners (in their eyes) for whatever reason (I'm not one of them so it isn't up to me to try to see the logic behind them). Ironically it makes them very unpatriotic (the south is known to be Nationalistic)

NOTE: I'm not refuting your point, just theorizing the reasoning why the people who do like the Confederates would think so (even though it may seem illogical when compared to your reasoning as to why they are treasonous).

[LetumKeys]

This is why I dont drink tap water.

[Lunatic]

Lmao shadow you are really retarded.

Maybe try engaging in a debate for once... It's far more useful than just attacking everything you don't agree with like an autistic ape.