Collabs.

[[MPGH]Ethereal]

I suck @ them..
Basically all I've ever done is start them,
and they always get ownt because I don't know how far to bring them,
or really know what the other person wants to do with them..
so'z no mas collabs.

[Ryan]

That's because you've been doing them the stupid way.
Starter does them up to a point that's not necessarily even half-way, but a setup for the finisher to do something with.
Finisher either finishes based on the boundaries set by the starter, or changes it completely.
Post thread.
No communication in between.
It's very limiting and completely takes the personal feel away from art. This is why I don't do collabs very often, but the ones I am doing, I'm doing with Kyle or Evelyn, and we're TALKING about things to make and steps to take.
Kyle and I have spent AT LEAST an hour or two looking at elements of /3 work to try out.
Not to mention going back and forth a number of times with the .psd, and changing things NOT because the other doesn't like it, but because we both have a common goal, and a level of knowledge to reach it.
That's a collaboration.
The classic "you start, I finish" routine is rather amateur to be frank.

Unfortunately I have to post this on mobile because my mobo was raped, so I can't really speak for my activity with collabs, or MPGH for that matter.
Also taking into account that Kyle's GONE, for fuck's sake...

But I digress.
That's my opinion.
I've realized that in art, especially art forums, there's a large gap between the big guys and the little guys, with few in between.
But whether or not you're in one of those groups isn't based solely on skill, if you catch my drift (in spite of the ranking system, which I think is somewhat flawed in it's over-usage and sense of self-grandeur it gives to a few).

I'll be straight, you should have joined the big boy group a while ago.

[[MPGH]Ethereal]

That's because you've been doing them the stupid way.
Starter does them up to a point that's not necessarily even half-way, but a setup for the finisher to do something with.
Finisher either finishes based on the boundaries set by the starter, or changes it completely.
Post thread.
No communication in between.
It's very limiting and completely takes the personal feel away from art. This is why I don't do collabs very often, but the ones I am doing, I'm doing with Kyle or Evelyn, and we're TALKING about things to make and steps to take.
Kyle and I have spent AT LEAST an hour or two looking at elements of /3 work to try out.
Not to mention going back and forth a number of times with the .psd, and changing things NOT because the other doesn't like it, but because we both have a common goal, and a level of knowledge to reach it.
That's a collaboration.
The classic "you start, I finish" routine is rather amateur to be frank.

Unfortunately I have to post this on mobile because my mobo was raped, so I can't really speak for my activity with collabs, or MPGH for that matter.
Also taking into account that Kyle's GONE, for fuck's sake...

But I digress.
That's my opinion.
I've realized that in art, especially art forums, there's a large gap between the big guys and the little guys, with few in between.
But whether or not you're in one of those groups isn't based solely on skill, if you catch my drift (in spite of the ranking system, which I think is somewhat flawed in it's over-usage and sense of self-grandeur it gives to a few).

I'll be straight, you should have joined the big boy group a while ago.

Even when I do communicate with people, still no luck with them.

Not sure what you're even talking about with "big boy" group..
tbh I go through phases with Digi gfx..
sometimes I'm into it, and sometimes meh. No.

[Ryan]

Even when I do communicate with people, still no luck with them.

Not sure what you're even talking about with "big boy" group..
tbh I go through phases with Digi gfx..
sometimes I'm into it, and sometimes meh. No.

Takes two to tango.
You can't collab with someone who's not with the big guys and expect communication to be effective.

Big guys:

- Enjoy art, not make it stressful and dramatic
- Communicate
- Get better because they enjoy it
- Work when they have inspiration and a fantastic idea
- Build their style with elements and original ideas, not copies

Little guys:

- Enjoy art in a way that they've created for themselves, not one that it should be enjoyed
- Slam each other for fun, and not for fun
- Get better to hit the next class/rank
- Work because they feel like they need to get something done, to accomplish something
- Copy styles

That's really a synopsis of it, but all in all, it's my opinion.
However, I've given it quite a bit of thought.

[[MPGH]Ethereal]

Takes two to tango.
You can't collab with someone who's not with the big guys and expect communication to be effective.

Big guys:

- Enjoy art, not make it stressful and dramatic
- Communicate
- Get better because they enjoy it
- Work when they have inspiration and a fantastic idea
- Build their style with elements and original ideas, not copies

Little guys:

- Enjoy art in a way that they've created for themselves, not one that it should be enjoyed
- Slam each other for fun, and not for fun
- Get better to hit the next class/rank
- Work because they feel like they need to get something done, to accomplish something
- Copy styles

That's really a synopsis of it, but all in all, it's my opinion.
However, I've given it quite a bit of thought.

*Shrugs*
Don't really care about groups.
If you think I'm a little guy that's fine.
I'm not here to live up to anyones expectations, because frankly Idgaf about shit like that. If I had time to sit down and immerse myself into a drawing or painting, I would. But I don't. I work full time. I go to school. I go to the gym 4-5 times a week for 3 hours. I try to have a social life.
So photoshop, illy w/e that's just getting my fix of art that I can't have due to time restrictions.

[Ryan]

*Shrugs*
Don't really care about groups.
If you think I'm a little guy that's fine.
I'm not here to live up to anyones expectations, because frankly Idgaf about shit like that. If I had time to sit down and immerse myself into a drawing or painting, I would. But I don't. I work full time. I go to school. I go to the gym 4-5 times a week for 3 hours. I try to have a social life.
So photoshop, illy w/e that's just getting my fix of art that I can't have due to time restrictions.

I was just telling you why they don't work out...
It's not you.

[[MPGH]Ethereal]

I was just telling you why they don't work out...
It's not you.

Just seems like you were implying that I'm a "little guy"
Which hey..some of your examples might explain me..
but not all.

I don't really style rip, cept for my last style (a little)
I don't give a crap about classes..when have I talked about my class?
When have I gotten classed?
Everytime I do a tag or LP I don't just try to piss through it to get it over with..

Fuck it..this just got off topic. Just close the thread.
Don't feel like even elaborating anymore because I don't need to.

[Ryan]

I considered you to be in between...
Sorry if you thought I was pointing any of that at you.

[[MPGH]Ethereal]

I considered you to be in between...
Sorry if you thought I was pointing any of that at you.

It's all good Ryan. You're being honest and I appreciate it.
I guess my man cunt is bleeding again, so maybe Ryguy can come plug it up for me.

btw the people I collabed with are better then me..
so it IS me.

[Ryan]

If you tried a serious collab, I think you would feel differently, but I can't make you.

[[MPGH]Ethereal]

If you tried a serious collab, I think you would feel differently, but I can't make you.

Nah. RQ. Becoming full time troll.

Besides there is only a handful of "artists" here anyway.
So I guess the majority are "little guys"

zwnt. no trolls.

[Ryguy]

I would collab with you <3 jk i dont see that working out too well. You still want me to close this?

[[MPGH]Ethereal]

I would collab with you <3 jk i dont see that working out too well. You still want me to close this?

Yah might as well.