Karok Blaster/Cestus.

[alexsasuke13]

I personally,don't like how they renamed "Blaster" to "Cestus",Blaster fits it better,but meh.

What do you think about it?OP,not OP?I think it's a little OP just because of weaving that helps A LOT,and Blaster is a lot more funnier than pillar,lol.
I was watching videos of karok blaster like mad(I'm from EU)so I decided to DL NA again and do some solo runs with him,it rocks.

Your opinion?

PS:If it's an useless thread,just delete it.

[tenkan]

Agreed. Cestus sounds so retarded.

[masterasia]

Probably the reason why they named its Cestus is because a cestus is a battle glove that can be fitted with weapons, while blaster just sounds juvenile, and doesn't fit the dark undertones behind Vindictus.

[Methodeman]

I do way less damage with blasters then with pillar though. If you are good with pillar, you can attack non-stop. If you are good with blaster, you still need to attack in openings.
And weaving is not better than absorb shock imo.

[578943233]

Cestus, because I've never heard of such thing.

[Pie]

Lol here's the definition.

Cestus | Define Cestus at Dictionary.com

1.
a girdle or belt, especially as worn by women of ancient Greece.
2.
Classical Mythology . the girdle of Venus, decorated with every object that could arouse amorous desire.
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3. a hand covering made of leather strips and often covered with metal studs, worn by boxers.

[alexsasuke13]

I do way less damage with blasters then with pillar though. If you are good with pillar, you can attack non-stop. If you are good with blaster, you still need to attack in openings.
And weaving is not better than absorb shock imo.

Not sure if troll,or just stupid..Weaving>Absorb Shock,and Blaster can do more damage,it's just that you can't use it.And give some arguments if you say absorb shock is better.

[Nico]

Not sure if troll,or just stupid..Weaving>Absorb Shock,and Blaster can do more damage,it's just that you can't use it.And give some arguments if you say absorb shock is better.

Give some arguments if you say Weaving is better.

[Methodeman]

Not sure if troll,or just stupid..Weaving>Absorb Shock,and Blaster can do more damage,it's just that you can't use it.And give some arguments if you say absorb shock is better.

I'd say you are stupid then.

Weaving works on a L or R or dodge. Absorb shock works on a L, LL,LLL, LLLR, LLRR, LLLRR, LRLLRR, RRRRR, dodge or whatever fucking combination you want.
That gives you way more attack combination that can be used against any attack the boss launches at you.

In some battles I've done a lot, I can keep attackin 100% of the time, dealing non-stop damage. With weaving, you can't attack anytime you want, you still need openings. Unless you spam weaving attack, but I'm still going to do more attack with LLRR spamming.

With absorb shock, when the boss is doing a fast 3-4 hits combo against you, you can still do a LLRR, absorb every hit and deal damage.
How are you going to do damage on that 3-4 hits combo with weaving? You will dodge and attack. Or deal damage with a L/R and dodge, then attack in the opening after.
But with absorb shock, I will have attacked DURING the attack + AFTER the attack, dealing potentially double the damage.

I can go in colru, against gray, and deal-non-stop damage against the mega spin attacks, and 5 hits combos. Please do that with weaving and record it to show it to us.

Maybe against a slow boss, weaving is better, because you have big openings to unleash full LLLLR combos. But when the openings are small, like bosses on hero, you deal your damage when the boss is attacking, you don't even need openings.

And blast attack is a really risky move, because you don't have a lot of openings you can use it. You have like 1 second or more delay before you can move/attack again. If the boss does some quick 90 degrees attack on his side, like most raids/high level bosses have, he will hit you and you won't be able to move to dodge it.


Please give me some arguments why weaving is better?

[shm0ke]

It is NOT OP. While weaving may be used to negate most, if not all, damage, a blaster Karok has low DPS compared to other weapons.
A skilled Karok will have a much higher DPS, but such a Karok is rare.

Pillar Karoks still have higher DPS compared to the average blaster Karok.

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And blast attack is a really risky move, because you don't have a lot of openings you can use it. You have like 1 second or more delay before you can move/attack again. If the boss does some quick 90 degrees attack on his side, like most raids/high level bosses have, he will hit you and you won't be able to move to dodge it.

Not quite. The blast attack isn't a very risky move when used correctly. I can always pull off a blast attack w/o getting hit. I know your exaggerating about the 1s delay, but the delay is surprisingly short. In response to the last statement, if you position your Karok correctly, you will not get hit.

I have to agree with many of your arguments about AS though. Pillar Karoks do have more damage potential than a blaster.

[alexsasuke13]

I'd say you are stupid then.

Weaving works on a L or R or dodge. Absorb shock works on a L, LL,LLL, LLLR, LLRR, LLLRR, LRLLRR, RRRRR, dodge or whatever fucking combination you want.
That gives you way more attack combination that can be used against any attack the boss launches at you.

In some battles I've done a lot, I can keep attackin 100% of the time, dealing non-stop damage. With weaving, you can't attack anytime you want, you still need openings. Unless you spam weaving attack, but I'm still going to do more attack with LLRR spamming.

With absorb shock, when the boss is doing a fast 3-4 hits combo against you, you can still do a LLRR, absorb every hit and deal damage.
How are you going to do damage on that 3-4 hits combo with weaving? You will dodge and attack. Or deal damage with a L/R and dodge, then attack in the opening after.
But with absorb shock, I will have attacked DURING the attack + AFTER the attack, dealing potentially double the damage.

I can go in colru, against gray, and deal-non-stop damage against the mega spin attacks, and 5 hits combos. Please do that with weaving and record it to show it to us.

Maybe against a slow boss, weaving is better, because you have big openings to unleash full LLLLR combos. But when the openings are small, like bosses on hero, you deal your damage when the boss is attacking, you don't even need openings.

And blast attack is a really risky move, because you don't have a lot of openings you can use it. You have like 1 second or more delay before you can move/attack again. If the boss does some quick 90 degrees attack on his side, like most raids/high level bosses have, he will hit you and you won't be able to move to dodge it.


Please give me some arguments why weaving is better?

If you look at this video,you can see that with weaving you don't need to f wait until your heal recharges again,and can attack him.I don't get why you say it's risky,it's really easy to play with it.I can't do a video because I'm from EU not NA.

And I don't give a .. if you can attack idk how much times while using absorb shock and <> many times when you use weaving.I just want to have fun,and blaster is more funnier to play than the slooow pillar.

Also,give a TL;DR.

[Methodeman]

If you look at this video,you can see that with weaving you don't need to f wait until your heal recharges again,and can attack him.I don't get why you say it's risky,it's really easy to play with it.I can't do a video because I'm from EU not NA.

And I don't give a .. if you can attack idk how much times while using absorb shock and <> many times when you use weaving.I just want to have fun,and blaster is more funnier to play than the slooow pillar.

Also,give a TL;DR.

Ok then.
1st You haven't tried blasters if you are from EU then. I did try blaster. That makes your argument kinda invalid. Yeah, I can look at raidhunter and say "Hey look at that, spear Lann is so freakin easy to use, you can dodge anything and never get hit" But that's not the reality

2nd. Who the hell waits for HP to regen when using absorb shock? You just keep attacking. If you wait until your HP regen, you're playing REALLY wrong.

3rd. I never said blasters are risky. I said "Blast attack" can be risky. It's 1 single attack I was talking about (and shm0ke actually understood it this way too).
But you probably don't know about that, since you haven't tried blasters yet.

4th. Of course, play what you like more. I never said: Go pillars, it's better and fuck blasters. I play blasters since they got out and it's pretty fun to play. I was referring to the fact that you said weaving is better than absorb shock. Which isn't.

I have 9k def on my karok. I tried going all out rage with blaster, attacking non-stop like a psycho on steroids. And I really haven't done a lot of damage compared to going with a pillar. And I got hit a lot, because I was going pure DPS (just like going spear lann with 9k def and spin2win all along), so if I was actually doing all the dodging necessary, I would have done way less damage.
With a pillar I would do more damage and I don't even need to dodge, because I can absorb any attack.

"TL;DR": Showing the video of a no-lifer that probably got a +15 or something doesn't prove anything. You will see that your blaster will not have as much attack speed as this dude. And he probably has a low defense set with force+w/b that gives him even more attack speed.
Yeah, I can go and do lionotus with blasters. He's pretty easy to dodge. I can't solo him in 30 minutes of course, because I don't have a +14ish blaster.
Lionotus isn't a tough boss either.

If it was a debate between sword and spear Lann, I could insert a video with raidhunter but that doesn't prove anything.

[alexsasuke13]

Ok then.
1st You haven't tried blasters if you are from EU then. I did try blaster. That makes your argument kinda invalid. Yeah, I can look at raidhunter and say "Hey look at that, spear Lann is so freakin easy to use, you can dodge anything and never get hit" But that's not the reality

2nd. Who the hell waits for HP to regen when using absorb shock? You just keep attacking. If you wait until your HP regen, you're playing REALLY wrong.

3rd. I never said blasters are risky. I said "Blast attack" can be risky. It's 1 single attack I was talking about (and shm0ke actually understood it this way too).
But you probably don't know about that, since you haven't tried blasters yet.

4th. Of course, play what you like more. I never said: Go pillars, it's better and fuck blasters. I play blasters since they got out and it's pretty fun to play. I was referring to the fact that you said weaving is better than absorb shock. Which isn't.

I have 9k def on my karok. I tried going all out rage with blaster, attacking non-stop like a psycho on steroids. And I really haven't done a lot of damage compared to going with a pillar. And I got hit a lot, because I was going pure DPS (just like going spear lann with 9k def and spin2win all along), so if I was actually doing all the dodging necessary, I would have done way less damage.
With a pillar I would do more damage and I don't even need to dodge, because I can absorb any attack.

"TL;DR": Showing the video of a no-lifer that probably got a +15 or something doesn't prove anything. You will see that your blaster will not have as much attack speed as this dude. And he probably has a low defense set with force+w/b that gives him even more attack speed.
Yeah, I can go and do lionotus with blasters. He's pretty easy to dodge. I can't solo him in 30 minutes of course, because I don't have a +14ish blaster.
Lionotus isn't a tough boss either.

If it was a debate between sword and spear Lann, I could insert a video with raidhunter but that doesn't prove anything.

How do you know he's a no-lifer?You checked him or what?I can get a +15 weapon without no-life,lol.And yes,I said that BLASTER ATTACK is not risky for me,because I know when to attk.And it doesn't make my argument invalid,I did go to NA with my AOL Desktop and did some solo runs with blaster.A Lann is WAY Different than a Karok.

And I'm not going to start a "fight" I just said my opinion,some says that sword lann is better some says that spear is better.If you know how to use blaster and weaving it can be better than absorb shock.

[Methodeman]

How do you know he's a no-lifer?You checked him or what?I can get a +15 weapon without no-life,lol.And yes,I said that BLASTER ATTACK is not risky for me,because I know when to attk.And it doesn't make my argument invalid,I did go to NA with my AOL Desktop and did some solo runs with blaster.A Lann is WAY Different than a Karok.

And I'm not going to start a "fight" I just said my opinion,some says that sword lann is better some says that spear is better.If you know how to use blaster and weaving it can be better than absorb shock.

We just asked to give arguments why weaving is better and you don't give any...

The only argument you gave is that you have to wait for HP to regen with absorb. That's no where near a reason why weave is better than absorb.

[alexsasuke13]

That wasn't my only argument.Please,read carefully.