Atheist & Proud.

**unicorn69** · 02-13-2012

Originally Posted by Ethereal

Are you kidding me right now?

I never denied talking about Islam in general..nor did I deny talking about sects.
Islamic sects are not simply "denominations," if that word is understood to mean various valid approaches to the same religion. Members of one Islamic group do not usually recognize members of other groups as fellow Muslims, and open conflict between sects is not uncommon.

example: Ibadi Muslims‎,Kharijites‎, Quranist Muslims‎ , Shi'a Muslims‎, Sufis‎, Sunni Muslims‎

So basically you're telling me because I didn't state something about them in the OP,
that I'm not allowed to discuss them later on in an argument when it's presented to me?
That seems pretty ridiculous.

Now, just because there are different sects or groups of Muslims doesn't mean that the Qur'ran itself is completely different.
It means that they practice in a different way. So I am again talking about Islam as a whole too.
Do you get it now? Do you see how I can discuss both sects and Islam as whole and not be contradicting myself like you say?

So what's your point? What's your argument? Islam is not peaceful because the Qur'ran supposedly advocates violence? What's the point of bringing up different sects if your just going to say the Qur'ran is essentially the same for different sects?

**[MPGH]Ethereal** · 02-13-2012

Originally Posted by unicorn69

So what's your point? What's your argument? Islam is not peaceful because the Qur'ran supposedly advocates violence? What's the point of bringing up different sects if your just going to say the Qur'ran is essentially the same for different sects?

The point I was trying to convey to you was that it wasn't just Islam attacking infidels,
or people invading their country. That they also wage violence amongst themselves.
Like all religions it's fundamentally flawed, but I feel Islam is more than others,
considering that the violence aren't just isolated incidents, but are extremely abundant in the Middle East.
I understand there are peaceful Muslims, but even still..extremists still represent Islam..
and it's not really my call to say if they're following their own book right or wrong..
I will say that I've read the Qur'an and I can completely understand how some verses can be interpreted to go either violent or non-violent.

**Cole** · 02-13-2012

woah lawdy lawd..it seems this thread has gone in all sorts of directions...

if you need to argue like this as a warning (as posted before considering this is infract bait) i would suggest to keep it to vms..

**BoxHead1080** · 02-17-2012

**Wretched** · 02-25-2012

Religion has ruined many things in this world, and the reality is right there.
But no human has simply seen the reality, because we're too focused on what we think is correct.
Atheism could be the right way.
Perhaps Christianity is.
But I'm not one to argue about religion... Because I'm extremely ignorant in the subject.

**zubni** · 04-30-2012

@Jilly personal I do believe there is a maker of the Universe. Which Jesus Christ the holy ghost and living spirit. I don't get you Atheists seriously. You think all of this stuff was formed outta no where or the big bang theory. God is your creator.

**nevs666** · 04-30-2012