My first PC to be built from scratch...

[FangedBeast]

Great, so - my sister went to go and get a new laptop, so i thought that was a good time to tell my mum that i'd found a good pc costing £550 but you have to build it yourself and she was like "NUUUUUUUUUU! it costs too much, and there's no guarrentee, you know - the last time we had a pc build [by a family friend] the fan broke down [GPU fan]"

So narrow minded -.-'

anyways, like any help on like persuasion? when she said about the fan, i was like you know, that was one of them one off/coincidence..

[Alen]

Great, so - my sister went to go and get a new laptop, so i thought that was a good time to tell my mum that i'd found a good pc costing £550 but you have to build it yourself and she was like "NUUUUUUUUUU! it costs too much, and there's no guarrentee, you know - the last time we had a pc build [by a family friend] the fan broke down [GPU fan]"

So narrow minded -.-'

anyways, like any help on like persuasion? when she said about the fan, i was like you know, that was one of them one off/coincidence..

Tell her that such a PC would cost well over a grand or so in normal retail and that fan replacements costs a few pounds at most. It truly must have been an isolated event, I've never had fans die on me within their normal lifespan. If it makes her feel better, tell her that everything is easily replaceable and probably has longer warranties than if you bought the PC as a bundle

[FangedBeast]

Tell her that such a PC would cost well over a grand or so in normal retail and that fan replacements costs a few pounds at most. It truly must have been an isolated event, I've never had fans die on me within their normal lifespan. If it makes her feel better, tell her that everything is easily replaceable and probably has longer warranties than if you bought the PC as a bundle

hmm, idk.
i'm seriously starting to think about just upgrading the shit pc i have now and maxing everything i can ;/
pretty shit pc it is.

2GB RAM [maxed this out last month]
Intel pentium d 3GHz [LGA775 socket i belive]
intel express family shitset -.-

HP Pavilion g3100.uk

Also, earlier - i looked on google about PSUs and apparently buying an unknown/cheap brand can fry things e.g GFX card..

*sigh* hard life for an asian.

Edit: *sigh no.2* apparently the best cpu i can have is the q9550 and it costs £200

FML. JUST FML.

Also, any more convincing reasons for warranties?
My sister's POV: My dad won't do it because of the car crash and him going abroad to see my grandad
Mum's POV: No guarrentee, costs a lot ;s
Dad's POV [Most likely going to pay for the PC /IF/ i get it]: No guarrentee, likes prebuilt.

Just a note: my dad is narrowminded and my mum is a little narrow minded
my dad thought that buying a new hard drive would speed up my pc even though i told him 194709357 times that it was the RAM... #facepalm

[FangedBeast]

Also, just a question, why is like the 5770 like so expensive?
like the 6450 costs about £50 while the 5770 costs £70-100+

[Ravallo]

Also, just a question, why is like the 5770 like so expensive?
like the 6450 costs about £50 while the 5770 costs £70-100+

You should see it like this, the 6450 is a replacement of the 5450, not of the (more expensive) 5770.

The 6450 would be a much better choice for a Home Theatre PC, the 5770 would be a better choice for a Gaming PC, perhaps even the GT 430 would.

[Alen]

Also, just a question, why is like the 5770 like so expensive?
like the 6450 costs about £50 while the 5770 costs £70-100+

Something like what Ravallo said. Typically both Nvidia and AMD (ATI) follow a traditional naming scheme, where the first number repesents the series (e.g. Nvidia's 4XX series or 5XX series and AMD/ATI's 5XXX series and 6XXX series), the numbers after that represent the specific "rank" within the series. Nowadays Nvidia uses X50 for its mid-range cards, X60 for it's gaming cards and X70 / X80 for it's high end gaming cards. Anything lower is mostly budget / low power stuff. AMD/ATI used to have the X750 and X770 as the gaming cards and X850 and X870 as the high end ones, as of the 6k series X770 is the entry level gaming card, with the X850 or X870 taking the old X770 place and the X950 and X970 taking the previous X850 and X870 places.

tl;dr

6450 << 6770 < 6850 < 5770

[FangedBeast]

right...
so the 6770 is just misplaced?
i just had a quick look on google and the 5770 is £100+ o.o normal? Considering its in the 5 series...
+ why is it priced high when someone can get like a 6950 ect...

Also, any more convincing reasons for warranties?
My sister's POV: My dad won't do it because of the car crash and him going abroad to see my grand dad
Mum's POV: No guarrentee, costs a lot ;s
Dad's POV [Most likely going to pay for the PC /IF/ i get it]: No guarrentee, likes prebuilt.

Just a note: my dad is narrowminded and my mum is a little narrow minded
my dad thought that buying a new hard drive would speed up my pc even though i told him 194709357 times that it was the RAM... #facepalm

also, after reading shit, i'd prefer if i didnt buy a cheap PSU, i'd rather have a reputable psu
this comes cheap and is popular on scan.co.uk.. is it good/safe?
[url]https://www.scan.co.uk/products/650w-psu-ezcool-silent-ps-05-uncertified-sli-crossfire-quiet-fan-atx-v203

seeing as the total is now like £570 i guess i will have to downgrade on the gfx card... and i guess i kind would have to since my sister would order it and when she puts it into her basket, she'd be like "OMFG WHAT IS DIS!?!?! 200 POUNDS? UMAD?!?!" so the question is, what to downgrade to? the original 6850 as i said in the first place?
though, considering i will have a 1440x900 res ~ its most suited anyways?
+ better value? https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+HD+6850

[Alen]

right...
so the 6770 is just misplaced?
i just had a quick look on google and the 5770 is £100+ o.o normal? Considering its in the 5 series...
+ why is it priced high when someone can get like a 6950 ect...

The 5770 should definitely be sub-100. It is at least over here

Also, any more convincing reasons for warranties?
My sister's POV: My dad won't do it because of the car crash and him going abroad to see my grand dad
Mum's POV: No guarrentee, costs a lot ;s
Dad's POV [Most likely going to pay for the PC /IF/ i get it]: No guarrentee, likes prebuilt.

> sister
lolwat? unrelated?
> mum
Costs a lot? Retail gaming PCs with such gfx power easily go over a grand.
> dad
Easy as fuck to build a PC, if nothing else pay some techy guy to build it for you.

Just a note: my dad is narrowminded and my mum is a little narrow minded
my dad thought that buying a new hard drive would speed up my pc even though i told him 194709357 times that it was the RAM... #facepalm

Depending on the PC, upgrading the HDD can be the single most noticeable change (oh the bliss of having an SSD...).

also, after reading shit, i'd prefer if i didnt buy a cheap PSU, i'd rather have a reputable psu
this comes cheap and is popular on scan.co.uk.. is it good/safe?
[url]https://www.scan.co.uk/products/650w-psu-ezcool-silent-ps-05-uncertified-sli-crossfire-quiet-fan-atx-v203

I don't see how that is a reputable PSU... However as I said, anything that meets the requirements will more than suffice. No prebuilts have good PSUs, since it's simply not worth it. You can always just have it switched if it dies during the warranty period (though I very much doubt it will).

seeing as the total is now like £570 i guess i will have to downgrade on the gfx card... and i guess i kind would have to since my sister would order it and when she puts it into her basket, she'd be like "OMFG WHAT IS DIS!?!?! 200 POUNDS? UMAD?!?!" so the question is, what to downgrade to? the original 6850 as i said in the first place?
though, considering i will have a 1440x900 res ~ its most suited anyways?
+ better value? https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+HD+6850

The 6850 (or perhaps the 6870, if you can manage) should still offer good performance, but you will most likely notice that not all games with cool graphics work perfectly. However is should be more than enough to any game you would possibly won't, albeit perhaps not all of them at max quality.

[FangedBeast]

The 5770 should definitely be sub-100. It is at least over here

idk :s i looked on scan.co.uk and theres nothing... i search on similar hardware sites, nothing.. only the 5450... i search on google, b00m - £100
EDIT: I think i know know, after some reading, turns out AMD rebadged it from the 5770 to the 6770 ;/

> sister
lolwat? unrelated?
> mum
Costs a lot? Retail gaming PCs with such gfx power easily go over a grand.
> dad
Easy as fuck to build a PC, if nothing else pay some techy guy to build it for you.

sister > nah, thats my sisters point of view, she's saying that my dad won't do it/buy it...
mum > yeah, i told her that on amazon, it totaled to about £700
dad > yeah, about the building part, i know how to build it generally, i just need to know how to wire and shit [e.g technical stuff]... any tuts? (preferably video) ~ i'd rather not pay a tech dude ;p ~ bullshit prices.

Depending on the PC, upgrading the HDD can be the single most noticeable change (oh the bliss of having an SSD...).

no, he thought like having a bigger hard-drive would solve things, not the speed of the hard drive... if you get me..

I don't see how that is a reputable PSU... However as I said, anything that meets the requirements will more than suffice. No prebuilts have good PSUs, since it's simply not worth it. You can always just have it switched if it dies during the warranty period (though I very much doubt it will).

Well i've seen on google that some PSU's say they serve 500w ect but they have like some 12v shit on the rails [or something that a good PSU has] or something and it can't deliver what it says...

The 6850 (or perhaps the 6870, if you can manage) should still offer good performance, but you will most likely notice that not all games with cool graphics work perfectly. However is should be more than enough to any game you would possibly won't, albeit perhaps not all of them at max quality.

idk. low res though... :s buuut, about the 6870 vs 6850, ive googled that too, apparently the 6850 has more overclock headroom and has a better performance/price ratio... and i've seen somewhere that theres a 7% or something like that increase in performance for a 33% price increase... ~ true about the price increase, its like £100 for a 6850 and like £130 for a 6870

[Alen]

Just youtube the how-to videos, you've literally got millions of tuts on how to build a PC. Watch a few and you'll get the hang of it soon enough.

As far as the 6850 vs 6870 goes, yeah, you pretty much get the idea. Though every bit of performance counts too, which is why I recommend you get the best that you possibly can.

[Delko DJ]

for gpu i suggest you a nvidia gts 450 or gtx 570

[FangedBeast]

Just youtube the how-to videos, you've literally got millions of tuts on how to build a PC. Watch a few and you'll get the hang of it soon enough.

As far as the 6850 vs 6870 goes, yeah, you pretty much get the idea. Though every bit of performance counts too, which is why I recommend you get the best that you possibly can.

hmm. im just now confused on molex ect, will the psu give me some? or mobo? how many? :s

i guess. ty.

for gpu i suggest you a nvidia gts 450 or gtx 570

nahh.

i'll probably come back with more answers so don't close this yet xD

[FangedBeast]

right, a new question.. what motherboard should i get??
because i wanna reduce waste [of money] and buy things i dont need...
also, i've seen on youtube [6870 benchmarking videos] that they dont use a high tech motherboard they use like 770 chipsets ect ~ though they still have a similar build.

Also, i now want a bitfenix shinobi since I found out that the antec 300 had no grate/filter at the bottom of the case...

[Alen]

Well if you want to save money, I wouldn't go with anything less than something like the 870. Also I don't quite think you need filters for where the air is going out, but that's your choice (I believe the Antec drives the air out at the bottom and back or something? Might be wrong, haven't seen the 300 in a while).

[FangedBeast]

Nah, the Antec 300 doesn't have a grate/filter at the bottom, i also checked on google.. ty for the motherboard suggestion though