Africa = Lost cause?

[[MPGH]Flengo]

Africa could easily have the most prosperous countries in the world if those damn greedy militias would stop pillaging every village for workers in the Diamond mines/riverbeds/quarries

We both know that's not going to stop anytime soon.

[Lehsyrus]

We both know that's not going to stop anytime soon.

A couple of the countries have already liberated themselves from the power induced hands of the militia's that were governing the local communities. It also took people multiple centuries to finally get sick of Britain and decide to liberate themselves, even if we were a newly founded nation at the time it only took a couple people to rally the troops, the same goes for the countries in Africa. So no, we do not know that. That's a biased statement based on situational thinking, the kind of thinking that leads a country to its demise of liberty.

[[MPGH]Flengo]

A couple of the countries have already liberated themselves from the power induced hands of the militia's that were governing the local communities. It also took people multiple centuries to finally get sick of Britain and decide to liberate themselves, even if we were a newly founded nation at the time it only took a couple people to rally the troops, the same goes for the countries in Africa. So no, we do not know that. That's a biased statement based on situational thinking, the kind of thinking that leads a country to its demise of liberty.

It'll decrease, yes. But there will always be one ****** which won't stop and will end up being the worst of them all.

I do hope it stops, but I don't see it happening in the near future.

[Empire]

Africa could easily have the most prosperous countries in the world if those damn greedy militias would stop pillaging every village for workers in the Diamond mines/riverbeds/quarries

Gems don't make you a wealthy country, nor do they provide any power.

[Lehsyrus]

Gems don't make you a wealthy country, nor do they provide any power.

On the contrary, if there were no Diamonds there would be no reason for the slavery of innocent people for the Diamond mines, nor would there be reason for so much death, nor the militias themselves. They'd most likely still only be tight knit groupings of communities governing themselves. There are reasons why many Africans in Sierra Leone spend day after day hunting for Diamonds in back-breaking, weather pounding conditions just for a couple gems that will only make them a couple cents each day, and that is because if they find just the right Gem, said persons entire life will go from poverty to a decent living. The Diamond trade in Sierra Leone is a 60 billion dollar industry, and the value of a dollar is much higher over there in comparison to our own. And the most enriched deposits of Diamonds are only existing in Sierra Leone, many other countries have their own deposits with much higher value. So to be honest man, in this case it could make the country wealthy in comparison to the situation that is going on in each individual country at the moment. And monetary gain does equal power in this days society.

[scotbud123]

On the contrary, if there were no Diamonds there would be no reason for the slavery of innocent people for the Diamond mines, nor would there be reason for so much death, nor the militias themselves. They'd most likely still only be tight knit groupings of communities governing themselves. There are reasons why many Africans in Sierra Leone spend day after day hunting for Diamonds in back-breaking, weather pounding conditions just for a couple gems that will only make them a couple cents each day, and that is because if they find just the right Gem, said persons entire life will go from poverty to a decent living. The Diamond trade in Sierra Leone is a 60 billion dollar industry, and the value of a dollar is much higher over there in comparison to our own. And the most enriched deposits of Diamonds are only existing in Sierra Leone, many other countries have their own deposits with much higher value. So to be honest man, in this case it could make the country wealthy in comparison to the situation that is going on in each individual country at the moment. And monetary gain does equal power in this days society.

That's all 100% true, sadly most of the common people aren't going to see even a quarter (1\4th not 25 cents) of that money. (And it's not going to really benefit them either.)

[Empire]

On the contrary, if there were no Diamonds there would be no reason for the slavery of innocent people for the Diamond mines, nor would there be reason for so much death, nor the militias themselves. They'd most likely still only be tight knit groupings of communities governing themselves. There are reasons why many Africans in Sierra Leone spend day after day hunting for Diamonds in back-breaking, weather pounding conditions just for a couple gems that will only make them a couple cents each day, and that is because if they find just the right Gem, said persons entire life will go from poverty to a decent living. The Diamond trade in Sierra Leone is a 60 billion dollar industry, and the value of a dollar is much higher over there in comparison to our own. And the most enriched deposits of Diamonds are only existing in Sierra Leone, many other countries have their own deposits with much higher value. So to be honest man, in this case it could make the country wealthy in comparison to the situation that is going on in each individual country at the moment. And monetary gain does equal power in this days society.

So again, they don't make the country wealthy.

Just because gems sell doesn't mean jack really. Gems are only able to sell in limited amounts because of inflation. Also this value of the dollar nonsense is stupid. 60 billion a year may be a lot over there, but in international scales its nothing. Also there amount to gain is very limited to the amount people want to buy on the market. The whole gem business isn't as great as you might think. Its not a everyday thing to buy a diamond.

Monetary gain does equal power but its got a limit and you'd do well to remember that money alone isn't what will win a war or gain influence.

[Lehsyrus]

So again, they don't make the country wealthy.

Just because gems sell doesn't mean jack really. Gems are only able to sell in limited amounts because of inflation. Also this value of the dollar nonsense is stupid. 60 billion a year may be a lot over there, but in international scales its nothing. Also there amount to gain is very limited to the amount people want to buy on the market. The whole gem business isn't as great as you might think. Its not a everyday thing to buy a diamond.

Monetary gain does equal power but its got a limit and you'd do well to remember that money alone isn't what will win a war or gain influence.

It doesn't matter how much 60 billion costs on an international scale for them though. They provide most of their own sustenance for each other in each community, foreign aid is usually stolen by the militias (saw it first hand when I went over to Uganda with the Peace Corp), so they need to provide for themselves. That being said, that 60 billion spread throughout the communities could turn peoples lives over for the best. Hell, we gave a hundred bucks to a community, came back a week later and they had fifty new types of medicine, a new warehouse built (not really "warehouse" more like "average sized structure") and that warehouse was filled with enough grain to last them three years.

I'm running off first hand experience here man, for them it does equal power because it can save their lives. And you can't have power if you're dead.

[Empire]

It doesn't matter how much 60 billion costs on an international scale for them though. They provide most of their own sustenance for each other in each community, foreign aid is usually stolen by the militias (saw it first hand when I went over to Uganda with the Peace Corp), so they need to provide for themselves. That being said, that 60 billion spread throughout the communities could turn peoples lives over for the best. Hell, we gave a hundred bucks to a community, came back a week later and they had fifty new types of medicine, a new warehouse built (not really "warehouse" more like "average sized structure") and that warehouse was filled with enough grain to last them three years.

I'm running off first hand experience here man, for them it does equal power because it can save their lives. And you can't have power if you're dead.

I don't believe there is anyone in the history of man to sell gems and spread the wealth to the entire nation.

If you took any normal business model you'd realize that a company keeps its profits within the company.

[Lehsyrus]

I don't believe there is anyone in the history of man to sell gems and spread the wealth to the entire nation.

If you took any normal business model you'd realize that a company keeps its profits within the company.

I'm not talking individually. If said governments in the nations industrialized upon the wealth of the deposits using a federal systematic business model then it would be for the countries economic gain, not an individuals. Basically, wipe out the militias, take over the Diamond deposits, set up mines and hire the locals there for a decent wage, sell the diamonds to jewelers to be cut or set up such a system in the country itself to cut out the middleman, and they would be seeing major profits in comparison to what they had before roll in. If they base the entire approach for the good of the community it will work. If they end up being just like the militias it obviously will not.

[Empire]

I'm not talking individually. If said governments in the nations industrialized upon the wealth of the deposits using a federal systematic business model then it would be for the countries economic gain, not an individuals. Basically, wipe out the militias, take over the Diamond deposits, set up mines and hire the locals there for a decent wage, sell the diamonds to jewelers to be cut or set up such a system in the country itself to cut out the middleman, and they would be seeing major profits in comparison to what they had before roll in. If they base the entire approach for the good of the community it will work. If they end up being just like the militias it obviously will not.

The problem is that in your scenario the militia would just take the profit or run the mines. If you got rid of the militia the country would naturally improve anyway.

[Lehsyrus]

The problem is that in your scenario the militia would just take the profit or run the mines. If you got rid of the militia the country would naturally improve anyway.

We'd also need a government in place to keep the militia's from creating themselves again There would be more than just the Diamonds involved and that's the problem they're having now

[Tony Stark`]

I dont think its a lost cause I just planned to not go to college and I think im gonna build an orphanage In kenya like kinda a village Idea where kids are put in a house with 8 kids and two parents I want to get kids who lost both there parents, i wanna give them a better chance at life Im gonna work for a couple years to get the money to do this but i dont think its a lost cause at all

[Empire]

We'd also need a government in place to keep the militia's from creating themselves again There would be more than just the Diamonds involved and that's the problem they're having now

Yes but the problem is that the options are limited really. The best idea would be to have a better military run by the government. But then you'd either be fighting the militia all day, or it would result into the same thing.

I'd go for the extermination. If you wiped out every last member in a short period of time they would cease to exist, and not many people want to just up and start a new one.
-But that would require foreign aid. I highly doubt any country would just do that much for free. Also it would require secrecy, another thing almost impossible.

[Lehsyrus]

Yes but the problem is that the options are limited really. The best idea would be to have a better military run by the government. But then you'd either be fighting the militia all day, or it would result into the same thing.

I'd go for the extermination. If you wiped out every last member in a short period of time they would cease to exist, and not many people want to just up and start a new one.
-But that would require foreign aid. I highly doubt any country would just do that much for free. Also it would require secrecy, another thing almost impossible.

Very true, a simple execution of the militia's in total would be fantastic, but you know some countries would expect to individually own their own deposits at that point, leading to sovereign nations in each country which would ultimately end in disaster