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    Why we should defend the right to be offensive

    Free speech can make for uncomfortable listening, argues Roger Scruton, but it needs to be defended even when it gives offence.
    To people like me, educated in post-war Britain, free speech has been a firm premise of the British way of life. As John Stuart Mill expressed the point:


    "The peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error."
    That famous statement is not the last word on the question, but it is the first word and was, during my youth, the received opinion of all educated people. The law, we believed, would protect the heretics, the dissidents and the doubters against any punishments devised to intimidate or silence them, for the very reason that truth and argument are sacred, and must be protected from those who seek to suppress them.
    Moreover, public opinion was entirely on the side of the law, ready to shame those who assumed the right to silence their opponents, whatever the matter under discussion, and however extreme or absurd the views expressed.

    All that is now changing. Under the Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006, it is an offence to stir up hatred towards religious and racial groups. "Stirring up hatred" is an expression both loaded and undefined. Do I stir up hatred towards a religious group by criticising its beliefs in outspoken terms? Under the terms of the act, I would have to use "threatening words and behaviour" and also intend to stir up hatred.
    But is giving offence a reason to convict someone of a crime? The robust English view used to be that the correct response to offensive words is to ignore them, or to answer them with a rebuke. If you invoke the law at all, it should be to protect the one who gives the offence, and not the one who takes it. Now, it seems, it is all the other way round.


    (Original post: https://www****c.co.uk/news/magazine-34613855)
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    Quote Originally Posted by GerrysamHD View Post
    Free speech can make for uncomfortable listening, argues Roger Scruton, but it needs to be defended even when it gives offence.
    To people like me, educated in post-war Britain, free speech has been a firm premise of the British way of life. As John Stuart Mill expressed the point:


    "The peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error."
    That famous statement is not the last word on the question, but it is the first word and was, during my youth, the received opinion of all educated people. The law, we believed, would protect the heretics, the dissidents and the doubters against any punishments devised to intimidate or silence them, for the very reason that truth and argument are sacred, and must be protected from those who seek to suppress them.
    Moreover, public opinion was entirely on the side of the law, ready to shame those who assumed the right to silence their opponents, whatever the matter under discussion, and however extreme or absurd the views expressed.

    All that is now changing. Under the Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006, it is an offence to stir up hatred towards religious and racial groups. "Stirring up hatred" is an expression both loaded and undefined. Do I stir up hatred towards a religious group by criticising its beliefs in outspoken terms? Under the terms of the act, I would have to use "threatening words and behaviour" and also intend to stir up hatred.
    But is giving offence a reason to convict someone of a crime? The robust English view used to be that the correct response to offensive words is to ignore them, or to answer them with a rebuke. If you invoke the law at all, it should be to protect the one who gives the offence, and not the one who takes it. Now, it seems, it is all the other way round.


    (Original post: https://www****c.co.uk/news/magazine-34613855)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TKD- View Post
    Nice copy pasta 10/10
    Atleast he mentions the source, unlike that Hopsin guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KazuhiraM View Post
    Atleast he mentions the source, unlike that Hopsin guy.
    You're right but still just something lazy about a a thread that is just copy pasta

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    Example of an 11 year old xbox playing supremacist at it's best.
    I thought it was interesting, different opinions of the world are what makes us human and without them how can we expect to increase our knowledge and improve or adapt our culture and understanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GerrysamHD View Post


    I thought it was interesting, different opinions of the world are what makes us human and without them how can we expect to increase our knowledge and improve or adapt our culture and understanding.
    Generally being offensive, how is that in any way good.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    Generally being offensive, how is that in any way good.
    People get offended if you have different opinions than them, being offended is a very broad word
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