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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunatic View Post


    1. There is no social gap, we are not the same type of country & never will be.
    2. This country was founded by a group of rich people trying to dodge high taxes.
    3. USA is a capitalist country that's been run into the ground by socialist leaders.
    4. Our country will do just fine once our dollar is worth more and our debts less.
    5. Switzerland is a capitalist country & the taxes are very low, the fuck are you talking about?
    I don't get where u found that last piece of informatiom but I can assure you it's wrong. Is a very socialistic country.

    The fact you are bringing up stuff in the past, which isnt even 100% correct. Just partly. Loads of people escaped for whole different reasons (like religion).

    But times are changing and so should your country. But alright you have a different (educated) point of view on the matter. Which is alright for me.

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    I find it funny how people do this; it's like they try to group everyone who doesn't like Trump together by making a video of the worst individuals with that opinion.
    If I cared enough, I could make a compilation of all the dumbasses who like Trump. It wouldn't be hard either.

    Trump is going to win, whether you choose to accept that is up to you. It's not a dictatorship; he won't be able to do what he pleases and pass any law he chooses without consequence. I hope he acts more mature when he becomes president, though. Right now he acts like a child who can't answer a question correctly.

    To all the people who don't like Trump (I don't like Trump because of how immature he acts) and use the "He wants to build a wall. Therefore, racist" argument need to think a little more.
    I doubt he'll make a wall, but what he wants to do is secure the border more so it's harder for immigrants to get into the country illegally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cohen View Post
    I find it funny how people do this; it's like they try to group everyone who doesn't like Trump together by making a video of the worst individuals with that opinion.
    If I cared enough, I could make a compilation of all the dumbasses who like Trump. It wouldn't be hard either.

    Trump is going to win, whether you choose to accept that is up to you. It's not a dictatorship; he won't be able to do what he pleases and pass any law he chooses without consequence. I hope he acts more mature when he becomes president, though. Right now he acts like a child who can't answer a question correctly.

    To all the people who don't like Trump (I don't like Trump because of how immature he acts) and use the "He wants to build a wall. Therefore, racist" argument need to think a little more.
    I doubt he'll make a wall, but what he wants to do is secure the border more so it's harder for immigrants to get into the country illegally.
    He has said a lot more than that. Read some of his quotes. Honestly, knowing that both the republicans and democrats don't like him. Not much will probably happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Sam View Post
    He has said a lot more than that. Read some of his quotes. Honestly, knowing that both the republicans and democrats don't like him. Not much will probably happen.
    I know most of the bad and stupid things he's said.
    I don't know why he'd want to make himself seem like a moron, especially because he wants to be in one of the highest positions of power in the world.

    I do hope he starts to act and talk like he at least has half of a brain when/if he becomes President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cohen View Post

    I know most of the bad and stupid things he's said.
    I don't know why he'd want to make himself seem like a moron, especially because he wants to be in one of the highest positions of power in the world.

    I do hope he starts to act and talk like he at least has half of a brain when/if he becomes President.
    Well I've read a small (neutral) biography about him. He is great at bluffing, communicating and getting what he want. (One of the major reasons he is a succelful bussinessman and having a good shot becoming president). He isn't very bright though. I think it mostly comes to the fact he is quite narcistic. He is completely in love with himself and practically listens to no one (you can't learn if you don't accept others knowledge). Several advisors told him its really time to start acting more presidential. After many many times he said he would. On his second 'presedential' speech he said: "F* it" and started to blabber the way he usually does.

    What I'm trying to say is, that I don't expect him to change much. Sire he can't be AS moronic as now. But it's kind of in his nature to do w.e he wants.

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    As someone that comes from Massachusetts, I'm a far left leaning liberal (passive aggressive brag: we are the college capital of the world so I'd argue that we're the highest educated in the nation, though of course as I said that's arguable). Anyways, I'm a Bernie supporter, cause I like his policy. Europe is the best imo when it comes to running countries as they have the most well defined middle class which usually means a country is doing well and Bernie's policies seem to push us in that direction. After watching the documentary, Inequality For All (I'd highly recommend this btw, it'll either piss you off extremely, or you'll like it), I'm pretty convinced by Robert Reich (who was Secretary of Labor so I trust his word). Not gonna bother changing anyone's opinions and don't bother trying to change mine because when it comes to politics everyone is stubborn af. At this point I highly doubt Bernie Sanders will win the presidency so I'll just stand at the sideline while everything burns.

    Edit: I will say that I give props to Trump for being able to use the media to gather support and saying what he believes without giving a fuck whereas Hillary seems to say what she thinks people want to hear (pander pander pander).
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    Nice talk @Bernard. I guess you are right about the stubbornes. Coming from a europeam country it's still frustrating to see what happens. I'm not frustrated though for those who cote with legitimate reasons. But those people who don't even know whats going on is for me a real bother and hard to just accept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Sam View Post
    Nice talk @bernard I guess you are right about the stubbornes. Coming from a europeam country it's still frustrating to see what happens. I'm not frustrated though for those who cote with legitimate reasons. But those people who don't even know whats going on is for me a real bother and hard to just accept.
    My logic is this: Europe is usually rated pretty highly for average quality of life/happiness (however that's measured). What does Europe seem to have a lot of? A big middle class, moderately high taxes, and social programs that makes things like healthcare, education, childcare, etc. cheaper if not free. So clearly they're doing something right and we should just copy them. I do believe that corporations use to be taxed like 70% or some absurd high number like that but over time it was lower to like 20%ish? And now we have a giant concentration of wealth in a few hands and many who work a ton and yet can't earn enough to survive which is bullshit. Fuck the whole idea of trickle down economics, it clearly isn't working. In the end, everyone just vote what you believe in and we'll see who wins, and if what you vote for ruins our nation then just remember you brought it upon yourself. Whatever.
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    Somehow people think the democratics are ruining the economy but, what do they expect? The huge economic mess George Bush Jr. Left behind? I think he did quite ok lol. Let's see what happens though..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Sam View Post
    Nice talk. I guess you are right about the stubbornes. Coming from a europeam country it's still frustrating to see what happens. I'm not frustrated though for those who cote with legitimate reasons. But those people who don't even know whats going on is for me a real bother and hard to just accept.

    You're the one who doesn't know what's going on. You're the one being too stubborn to accept the fact that this is a Capitalist country, not a socialist one. Your shitty opinions wont change that and trying to compare Europe as a hole to us doesn't help either. You aren't even from our country, yet claim to hate Trump, while knowing nothing about him. You are the only one who's frustrating in this thread tbh. You're basically as stupid and hypocritical as our own socialist libtards preaching for Sanders. Socialism doesn't work and telling me to look at Switzerland as an example, which actually is a capitalist country, is simply moronic and proves you don't even know anything about Europe. At the end of the day, it's my money and you support taking more of it from me. This makes you and anyone with similar intentions a thief, no matter how you disguise your true intentions as "Good" or "For the people" or "For us all". You simply want to take my money and give it to someone else against my wishes... Fuck off with the socialism please, we all know it's bullshit that won't work.

    This is a capitalist country. If anyone lives in this country and believes they will get ahead simply by working a 9-5 normal job is a fucking retard and deserves all the hardships coming to them. They shouldn't start a family while working a shitty job with no future and if they do, it's still not my fucking problem. If I worked at Walmart, I shouldn't be starting a family because I will not be able to support them off of that wage. In the case of it being a mistake or unwanted child, get it aborted because we all know over population is a problem right now and we really don't need anymore people. If the person has beliefs that say they can't get an abortion and they decide to keep the child even though they know they cannot support them, they deserve all the hardship coming to them for having such a stupid belief and that again isn't my fucking problem. Everyone who knows how capitalism works should know that working is only the first step in creating your own American dream. If someone wishes to succeed in a Capitalist country, they need to not only work hard, but take huge risks with the money they earn if they have hopes of turning any profit. This goes for both new business owners and people trying to get into the stock market. The average new business loses money its first year, but that's part of the risk associated with Capitalism. Someone starts a new business knowing they will lose money, but hope to make it successful anyways and fight through the hardship to become a successful entrepreneur. If someone wants to get into the stock market they have to not only invest a decent portion of their money for a long period of time, but risk losing it all in the process. Now tell me why the people who failed at doing this or didn't even try should be rewarded with my money that I'd use to start a new business someday? They shouldn't because we already have food stamps, welfare, education help, dirt cheap community college, healthcare, & so much more set up to help these people not die and succeed in life. Anything else would be a luxury, not a necessity and that's a fact, not an opinion.


    All these socialists just sit around and complain about how they want everything for free and deserve things I've never felt I even deserve, while I work my ass off playing the Capitalist game they should be playing instead of complaining about. Let's keep in mind that having opinions does not make them facts and only being able to call opponents racist bigots because they believe in hard facts over one sided opinions is moronic in itself. Just because they don't want to take any of the many opportunities we have in our country, doesn't make them not exist. Same for the idiots saying that getting into college on a free ride is impossible, when really they are just lazy asses who didn't try hard enough and blew the many opportunities their public schools most likely offered them. Three of my close friends from high school got degrees for free from very expensive colleges because they worked their asses off in public school and got extremely good grades, so yea, there's no excuse to not succeed in American education either. We are a nation of winners and losers who all have an equal opportunity, but that doesn't mean we can all win and that's simply an unchangeable fact of life. Anyone born with nothing can become rich, just the same as anyone born with everything can become poor. Anyone who claims rich people are stupid is actually the stupid one because they are not rich themselves and probably never will be proving they lost. This nation went from 18 year olds storming the beaches of Normandy, while facing certain death to 18 year olds needing a safe place to heal because "words do hurt" and it's just fucking PATHETIC! That's why I don't give a shit if Trump isn't politically correct and couldn't care less what other countries care think of what he says.




    Love how @Wyo will probably vote for Hillary or Bernie, yet says Trump supporters can't think for themselves.

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    I am not attacking you @Lunatic . In fact I thibk it's nice that you have valid opinions and reasons to vote for trump. Happy to see some people still actually think before voting.

    Saying I know nothing of what's going on is not true and won't really take it serious.

    Furthermore all I can say is that we just have different views and opinions, which is ok

    Also I have lived in Switzerland for quite some years. My second nationality is Swiss. You apparently have no idea how the tax system works there. Yes the federal taxes are low but I doubt you are even aware there are canton taxes you have to pay, and trust me it'll change a lot
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