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    Quote Originally Posted by FLAMESABER View Post
    So, you're saying that this world, this whole universe, you, me and everything in the universe are made without a creator ???

    The God does exists !!!




    Science can't do this...can't make even a fraction of the universe...Science fails !!!
    That is what you believe, bro' (:

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    This sohould really be moved to the debate corner. Ya still talking about this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arhk View Post


    Believing in the power of the-self is an entertaining prospect but it doesn't hold up very well.
    So I believe in teh power of the self through Christ who strengthens me /yea
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    Fixed =l I've been mixing up words alot today
    "If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first." John 15:18

    "True strength isn't determined by when a man has a lot and gives enough, but when he has nothing left but keeps on giving."
    "A man is determined by the strength of his will."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arhk View Post


    Was just tryin' to keep spirits up on the matter didn't want anyone to start insinuating I was needlessly making things appear so depressing.
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    I also updated that post a bit with some more context btw

    We can abstract from the principle of the fact after some more scrutiny the meaning of existence itself begins to unravel and keep our eyes on the idea of the meaning of life then. But inevitably Atheism does lead to that prospect since it has nothing in place to actually validate what existence is to mean.

    Believing in the power of the-self is an entertaining aspect but it doesn't hold up very well.
    If you are claiming there is an objective purpose for our existence, please demonstrate that there is an objective purpose for our existence. We can spend all day pondering on what it truly means to exist but that will ultimately be nothing more than mental masturbation.
    "We swallow greedily any lie that flatters us, but we sip only little by little at a truth we find bitter." ~ Denis Diderot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axel View Post
    That is what you believe, bro' (:
    Hmm.. ok then tell me what you think !! How this universe came into existence ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paroxysm View Post
    If you are claiming there is an objective purpose for our existence, please demonstrate that there is an objective purpose for our existence. We can spend all day pondering on what it truly means to exist but that will ultimately be nothing more than mental masturbation.
    I'm just posing what true Atheism is. Most people choose to not believe without understanding they are disregarding what it means to exist.
    Believing in God gives perspective meaning. And if he turns out to be real (which is my belief, along with Christ) it would give existence meaning (beyond simple personal perspective meaning). But Atheist believe in nothing so they can't even derive any true meaning of any supernatural perspective they have on existence since, they have none.
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    "A man is determined by the strength of his will."
    "Courage has nothing to do with ascertaining any sense of certainty, but the will to go on even
    in the face of uncertainty." - Arhk



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    Quote Originally Posted by FLAMESABER View Post
    So, you're saying that this world, this whole universe, you, me and everything in the universe are made without a creator ???

    The God does exists !!!




    Science can't do this...can't make even a fraction of the universe...Science fails !!!
    Don't worry, I'll be gentle.

    No one is saying the universe was made without a creator god, the problem comes when you say it did.

    By saying the universe was created by a god, you are making a positive claim to knowledge, now please prove that your claim is in fact true.

    TL;DR
    have the burden of proof, get cracking.
    "We swallow greedily any lie that flatters us, but we sip only little by little at a truth we find bitter." ~ Denis Diderot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paroxysm View Post
    Don't worry, I'll be gentle.

    No one is saying the universe was made without a creator god, the problem comes when you say it did.

    By saying the universe was created by a god, you are making a positive claim to knowledge, now please prove that your claim is in fact true.

    TL;DR
    have the burden of proof, get cracking.
    Prove to me why and how could he not?
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    "A man is determined by the strength of his will."
    "Courage has nothing to do with ascertaining any sense of certainty, but the will to go on even
    in the face of uncertainty." - Arhk



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    Quote Originally Posted by Arhk View Post


    I'm just posing what true Atheism is. Most people choose to not believe without understanding they are disregarding what it means to exist.
    Believing in God gives perspective meaning. And if he turns out to be real (which is my belief, along with Christ) it would give existence meaning (beyond simple personal perspective meaning). But Atheist believe in nothing so they can't even derive any true meaning of any supernatural perspective they have on existence since, they have none.
    ~
    Wait, has your argument this whole time been that atheists can't derive an objective meaning to existence? This has been a waste of time because no one is arguing with you about that. I have no issue with saying I have no objective meaning or purpose to my existence, I don't see how that's a problem. However you still fall into the same trap of saying "Atheist believe in nothing", that's not true, atheists can believe anything, atheists can believe in life after death, atheists can believe in karma (homage to OP), atheists can believe in anything other than the positive claim that a God exists.
    "We swallow greedily any lie that flatters us, but we sip only little by little at a truth we find bitter." ~ Denis Diderot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paroxysm View Post
    Wait, has your argument this whole time been that atheists can't derive an objective meaning to existence? This has been a waste of time because no one is arguing with you about that. I have no issue with saying I have no objective meaning or purpose to my existence, I don't see how that's a problem. However you still fall into the same trap of saying "Atheist believe in nothing", that's not true, atheists can believe anything, atheists can believe in life after death, atheists can believe in karma (homage to OP), atheists can believe in anything other than the positive claim that a God exists.
    *cough* *cough* "true Atheism" / talkin' to myself this entire time
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    "Courage has nothing to do with ascertaining any sense of certainty, but the will to go on even
    in the face of uncertainty." - Arhk



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    Quote Originally Posted by Arhk View Post


    Prove to me why and how could he not?
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    What I'm saying:

    "There is no good reason to believe in deities because there is no evidence for their existence."

    What you think I'm saying:

    "I know there is no God."
    "We swallow greedily any lie that flatters us, but we sip only little by little at a truth we find bitter." ~ Denis Diderot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arhk View Post


    *cough* *cough* "true Atheism" / talkin' to myself this entire time
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    Fine Arhk please define "true atheism".
    "We swallow greedily any lie that flatters us, but we sip only little by little at a truth we find bitter." ~ Denis Diderot

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    You put him where he belongs, Parox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paroxysm View Post
    Fine Arhk please define "true atheism".
    That's what I talked about the entire time....
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    There was the fact that my statements weren't so much in response to yours but just goin' with what I was thinkin' / we honestly weren't having a argument to begin with, I was talking about something and you were talking about something we weren't very much debating but taking from the others statements to write up ideas.
    Last edited by Arhk; 06-11-2010 at 08:57 AM.
    "If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first." John 15:18

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    "A man is determined by the strength of his will."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arhk View Post


    That's what I talked about the entire time....
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    He didn't ask you, to say that.
    He asked you, to define your meaning of ''True Atheism''.

    As I asked you, to define ''Optimism''.

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