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    Bethesda threatened to sue Notch

    Bethesda are suing us, here's the full story! : The Word of Notch
    A lot of people want more details about what is going on, so here is everything I know:

    First of all, I love Bethesda. I assume this nonsense is partly just their lawyers being lawyers, and a result of trademark law being the way it is.

    About half a year ago, our lawyers recommended us to register “Minecraft” as a trademark, so we did. I had voted against it initially, but we did it anyway. Better safe than sorry, and all that. At the same time, we also applied for “Scrolls”, the new game we’re working on. We knew of no similarly named games, and we had even googled it to make sure. I’m not even sure if you CAN trademark individual words, like “Scrolls”, but we sent in the application anyway.

    (Disclosure: We’ve enforced the trademark for Minecraft once, when there was a minecraft clone on iOS, using our name. People were emailing me saying our iOS version was buggy and bad, so we asked them to change the name of their game, and they did.)

    A while later, out of the blue, we got contacted by Bethesda’s lawyers. They wanted to know more about the “Scrolls” trademark we were applying for, and claimed it conflicted with their existing trademark “The Elder Scrolls”. I agree that the word “Scrolls” is part of that trademark, but as a gamer, I have never ever considered that series of (very good) role playing games to be about scrolls in any way, nor was that ever the focal point of neither their marketing nor the public image.
    The implication that you could own the right to all individual words within a trademark is also a bit scary. We looked things up and realized they didn’t have much of a case, but we still took it seriously. Nothing about Scrolls is meant to in any way derive from or allude to their games. We suggested a compromise where we’d agree to never put any words in front of “Scrolls”, and instead call sequels and other things something along the lines of “Scrolls - The Banana Expansion”. I’m not sure if they ever got back to us with a reply to this.

    Today, I got a 15 page letter from some Swedish lawyer firm, saying they demand us to stop using the name Scrolls, that they will sue us (and have already paid the fee to the Swedish court), and that they demand a pile of money up front before the legal process has even started.

    I assume this is all some more or less automated response to us applying for the trademark. I sincerely hope Bethesda isn’t pulling a Tim Langdell.
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    I think they'll win the case, Notch that is.

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    Saw it on the forums announcements. Read it today.

    Elder of Scrolls.

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    Bethesda hasn't got much of a case tbh. Their lawyers are testing the waters to see if notch REALLY wants that trademark.

    The idea is basically that if they can easily get it, why not have it, in case they think of something great in the future and need that tm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remorse View Post
    Bethesda hasn't got much of a case tbh. Their lawyers are testing the waters to see if notch REALLY wants that trademark.

    The idea is basically that if they can easily get it, why not have it, in case they think of something great in the future and need that tm.
    I think it's more serious than that.

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    What a bunch of fuck-tards

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    Scrolls =/= Elder of Scrolls

    There's some huge fucking difference in that.

    Just like

    Super Apple =/= Apple.

    Elder of Scrolls =/= Scrolls

    It's just a fancier name, and a more non fancier name.

    Big difference. IMO that is.

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    Those faggots
    nothing to do with scrolls
    /notch wins.

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    if notch would lose, i would be terribly confused.


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    Notchhas a couple of million now he gonna shit on them





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    Let the courts decide, it can go any way.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave84311 View Post
    Let the courts decide, it can go any way.
    True but you gotta root for your favorite side, right?

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    Depends how good the lawyers are i surpose
    how well they state there aguments.
    and if there is jury.

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    I'm pretty sure Notch will win



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    Bethesda don't have a case. Bethesda trademarked the phrase in it's entirety, "The Elder Scrolls", for them to argue that this include the individual words scrolls wold also mean that anyone seeking to trademark the words "the" and "elder" would also get sued. They're simply using scare tactics. I hope Notch agrees to take them to court. And I'll laugh as he makes a mockery of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    Bethesda don't have a case. Bethesda trademarked the phrase in it's entirety, "The Elder Scrolls", for them to argue that this include the individual words scrolls wold also mean that anyone seeking to trademark the words "the" and "elder" would also get sued. They're simply using scare tactics. I hope Notch agrees to take them to court. And I'll laugh as he makes a mockery of them.
    I'm pretty sure Notch will take them to court. As Notch is walking out of the courtroom he should just turn around and scream out SMD BETCHES



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