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    Quote Originally Posted by J Miliam View Post





    What lies were he elected on

    We can start by him not doing jack shit he said he was going to do.
    He talked a big game, yet got very little done. America doesn't need a couch potato president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post


    We can start by him not doing jack shit he said he was going to do.
    He talked a big game, yet got very little done. America doesn't need a couch potato president.
    Because you can do a lot of shit when congress keeps knocking down everything you try to do, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJ View Post
    Obama bombed Irag, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Libya during his predidency so far. All without congressional approval, or a declaration of war. He bombed Libya without even consulting the congress... That's abusing his War Powers. Obama believes because Libya isn't firing back that it does not count as a war. So, according to him, it's okay to bomb people without congressional approval as long as they don't fight back. That's the /fp

    Lets look at what socalism is. It's a big-government philosophy that uses wealth redistribution to fund a massive nanny state of cradle-to-grave entitlements. Socialism provides entitlements through massive taxation, and also believes that heavy government regulation leads to a better society. It does all this in the name of "social justice."

    Obama will raise taxes for the explicit purpose of taking better care of the lower and middle classes with that redistributed money.

    Obama care is socializing medicine, If you want me to explain to you why this (or anything I'm saying) is bad I will.

    Obama’s welfare spending reached $888 billion in a single fiscal year, 2010. That's more then the Bush administration spent on the entire Iraq war from "shock and awe" in 2003 until he left office.

    This is soft core socalism, turning a harder and harder core every year.


    Okay, now lets get to the lies. I'm just going to site a youtube video, as I feel it would explain it better then I would be able to.


    Not to mention the lies about the wars and our troops.

    Where's the links and proof to your bombing claims .

    Being diverse doesn't mean it's a bad thing. I don't get how distributing wealth is such a bad thing. Rich people will still be rich either way, just not as rich. Middle and lower class will be able to stay on their feet. I mean, look at Luxembourg. Richest country in the world. Nobody's poor, most people are average, but there are still rich people.

    Not gonna watch vids, just explain that shit. Listening to music, don't want to interrupt it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Miliam View Post
    Because you can do a lot of shit when congress keeps knocking down everything you try to do, right?
    He's a liar, a war monger, and a socalist. The congress is there to keep the president in check, but the thing is, Obama keeps underminding the congress, and the constitution. This is a slap in the face for the American people


    EDIT: Okay, I'll educate you a little more I guess. The government would require taxes to fund social programs. Lets think about that. On one hand, it means a government forcibly taking money from people. At the same time it means to place a burden on an activity which ultimately limits it. Taxation reduces your economic freedom, placing an undue burden on your ability to prosper while a parasitic government leeches from you. Time and time again has shown that a reduction in tax rates will stimulate the economy and a production of more revenue. Even JFK knew that.

    as far as you not taking 3-4 mins to watch a video, and find out some importaint information that effect you and everyone you love, that's not on me... that's your loss
    I don't think you should be talking politics J
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJ View Post
    He's a liar, a war monger, and a socalist. The congress is there to keep the president in check, but the thing is, Obama keeps underminding the congress, and the constitution. This is a slap in the face for the American people


    I don't think you should be talking politics J
    Says the man wanting to keep rich people rich, and poor people poor

    Hasn't lied as far as I know, hasn't created war at all, and diversity isn't always a bad thing. Stop being so caught up in this democracy and take advice from other successful countries. We can go back to normal once everything is fine.

    Congress is only holding back what good can be done. Explain to me what bills and why they should have been knocked down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J Miliam View Post
    Says the man wanting to keep rich people rich, and poor people poor ((**WTF are you talking about?? what man??**))

    Hasn't lied as far as I know, hasn't created war at all, and diversity isn't always a bad thing. Stop being so caught up in this democracy and take advice from other successful countries. We can go back to normal once everything is fine.

    Congress is only holding back what good can be done. Explain to me what bills and why they should have been knocked down.
    Obama has lied several times, and made tons of campaign promises that he did not keep in order to gain votes. It's a fact... sorry.

    It really isn't my job to teach you about our goverment. How about this instead... Do your own research? That's the problem... People are ignorant to what actually happens in the world around them, and instead of taking it upon themselfs to learn the truth, they just take the lazy route (your lazy) and just assume that what they know is correct. And the things that they don't know about they just pretend their right even though they don't even understand what they're arguing in favor of.



    EDIT: If you want to know the details about the bombings, do this. 1) Go to google.com 2) type in, "Obama bombed countries". 3)Scroll, and click... 4) read
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJ View Post
    Obama has lied several times, and made tons of campaign promises that he did not keep in order to gain votes. It's a fact... sorry.

    It really isn't my job to teach you about our goverment. How about this instead... Do your own research? That's the problem... People are ignorant to what actually happens in the world around them, and instead of taking it upon themselfs to learn the truth, they just take the lazy route (your lazy) and just assume that what they know is correct. And the things that they don't know about they just pretend their right even though they don't even understand what they're arguing in favor of.



    EDIT: If you want to know the details about the bombings, do this. 1) Go to google.com 2) type in, "Obama bombed countries". 3)Scroll, and click... 4) read
    Are you really too lazy to prove your own point? Or is it that you have no point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Miliam View Post
    Are you really too lazy to prove your own point? Or is it that you have no point?
    You are a prime example of why American children get such a bum rap when comparing other countries children to our own.

    You're asking me to look up, and explain things that are COMMON KNOWLEDGE. They are facts... Use your head, or google.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJ View Post
    You are a prime example of why American children get such a bum rap when comparing other countries children to our own.

    You're asking me to look up, and explain things that are COMMON KNOWLEDGE. They are facts... Use your head, or google.
    If it was common knowledge, why don't I know this shit. That's like going into a debate and not presenting the facts yourself, just referring to a fucking encyclopedia. You're not even trying to be convincing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Miliam View Post
    Because you can do a lot of shit when congress keeps knocking down everything you try to do, right?
    Right..well then don't make promises to the American people you can't keep.
    Also, Obama has been talking about "Bypassing" Congress to implement his plans forever now..
    Don't see that happening either. So again..more talk, no action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Miliam View Post
    If it was common knowledge, why don't I know this shit. That's like going into a debate and not presenting the facts yourself, just referring to a fucking encyclopedia. You're not even trying to be convincing.
    Gee I wonder why you didn't know?

    I did present the facts, I just don't feel as if I should go though all the trouble of siting sources when you can find the information very easily yourself using google. Information that most educated people already know.

    Obama DID bomb 4 countries.
    Obama bombed countries WITHOUT congressional approval or a declaration of war. (Abusing his war powers)
    Obama IS working to create more socialized programs.
    Obama LIED during his campaign about how he will conduct himself, and the withdraw of our troops.(The issues that got him elected)

    Enough about Obama though. This thread is about our personal freedoms being attacked by our goverment, and how Ron Paul predicted the situation, and has a solution for us to get out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post


    Right..well then don't make promises to the American people you can't keep.
    Also, Obama has been talking about "Bypassing" Congress to implement his plans forever now..
    Don't see that happening either. So again..more talk, no action.
    You can't predict congressional responses to things.

    Quote Originally Posted by RJ View Post
    Gee I wonder why you didn't know?

    I did present the facts, I just don't feel as if I should go though all the trouble of siting sources when you can find the information very easily yourself using google. Information that most educated people already know.

    Obama DID bomb 4 countries.
    Obama bombed countries WITHOUT congressional approval or a declaration of war. (Abusing his war powers)
    Obama IS working to create more socialized programs.
    Obama LIED during his campaign about how he will conduct himself, and the withdraw of our troops.(The issues that got him elected)

    Enough about Obama though. This thread is about our personal freedoms being attacked by our goverment, and how Ron Paul predicted the situation, and has a solution for us to get out of it.
    If he did bomb, wouldn't it be for a good reason? Just because congress didn't have any notice doesn't mean it was wrong. And wouldn't the media be blowing this up like crazy?

    Socialize programs = bad programs? As I've previously stated, diversity isn't always a bad thing, contrary to popular belief.

    He did withdraw the troops /fp. Probably not in a short period of time, but he kept that promise.

    He never lied about conducting himself. I don't even see where this would even be much of an important topic if he did, either way
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    Quote Originally Posted by J Miliam View Post
    You can't predict congressional responses. to things.
    DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATION OF A PRESIDENT THAT DOESN'T NEED CONGRESSIONAL APPROVIAL!? Say good bye to our Bill of Rights, our freedom, our right to remain anonymous infront of our goverment, and the value of our currency. And, say hello to a socialized police state.

    “Freedom is not defined by safety. Freedom is defined by the ability of citizens to live without government interference. Government cannot create a world without risks, nor would we really wish to live in such a fictional place. Only a totalitarian society would even claim absolute safety as a worthy ideal, because it would require total state control over its citizens’ lives. Liberty has meaning only if we still believe in it when terrible things happen and a false government security blanket beckons.”
    ― Ron Paul


    EDIT: I responded to your edit in your previous post by quoting and replying inside of the quote itself using "**" to show seperation. @J Miliam
    Quote Originally Posted by J Miliam View Post



    If he did bomb, wouldn't it be for a good reason? Just because congress didn't have any notice doesn't mean it was wrong. And wouldn't the media be blowing this up like crazy? **YES IT DOES MEAN IT WAS WRONG! The President is supposed to have congressional approval, and a decloration of war TO GO TO WAR! If this trend of illegal wars continues America will be policing the globe. They are talking about putting ground troops in Lybia, commiting yet ANOTHER generation of Americans to ANOTHER WAR.**

    Socialize programs = bad programs? As I've previously stated, diversity isn't always a bad thing, contrary to popular belief.**Let me explain something to you about socialized medicine. Almost ALL of the worlds major medical breakthroughs come from America, or free market countries. Why? (I'm only going to get into 1 reason) Because there is no research without investment. There is no investment if there is no money to be made.**

    He did withdraw the troops /fp. Probably not in a short period of time, but he kept that promise.
    **No he didn't! He's said he's going to pull them all out of Iraq (What about the other countries we invaded illegally?) by the end of 2011. Well the end is almost here, and all our troops aren't home.**
    He never lied about conducting himself. I don't even see where this would even be much of an important topic if he did, either way **He totally lied... Look at the video**
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    Quote Originally Posted by J Miliam View Post

    He did withdraw the troops /fp. Probably not in a short period of time, but he kept that promise.
    Ahem.



    Quote Originally Posted by RJ View Post
    Obama has lied several times, and made tons of campaign promises that he did not keep in order to gain votes. It's a fact... sorry.
    EVERY person campaigning has done that, some more than others. I've noticed Ron Paul doesn't change his stances drastically, he has some very drastic decisions/solutions, but he is firm with them.



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