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    Christmas

    So I'm not a Christian, but I'm going to go ahead and start a discussion about something I believe is important.

    Christmas has lost its religious significance.

    I'm sure we all know it and we all see it.

    There are more people taking their kids to sit on santa's lap than there are people going to church on christmas eve.

    I believe this is very dangerous, people are drifting away from religion.


    What do you guys think?

    "Religions are, by definition, metaphors, after all: God is a dream, a hope, a woman, an ironist, a father, a city, a house of many rooms, a watchmaker who left his prize chronometer in the desert, someone who loves you—even, perhaps, against all evidence, a celestial being whose only interest is to make sure your football team, army, business, or marriage thrives, prospers, and triumphs over all opposition. Religions are places to stand and look and act, vantage points from which to view the world. So none of this is happening. Such things could not occur. Never a word of it is literally true.”


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    I go to church every week, not because I want to but because my parents force me, I was baptised and my mother is kinda religious and she just doesn't get that I don't give a fuck. To me, religion is just a pain in the ass so this shit doesn't really annoy me but I have noticed it.

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    I think it's great that it's lost its religious "significance".
    Religion has and will likely always lead to war, don't get me wrong, I love the idea of people killing people.
    It's just that it's senseless and usually unjustified and it's led by a source that doesn't exist caused by people with very strong belief in this system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Johnson View Post
    So I'm not a Christian

    Christmas has lost its religious significance.

    I believe this is very dangerous, people are drifting away from religion.


    Can you explain this further?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtm4 View Post
    Can you explain this further?
    People no longer recognize christmas as being Jesus's birthday.

    Santa is more celebrated in christmas than jesus.

    Need I say more?

    "Religions are, by definition, metaphors, after all: God is a dream, a hope, a woman, an ironist, a father, a city, a house of many rooms, a watchmaker who left his prize chronometer in the desert, someone who loves you—even, perhaps, against all evidence, a celestial being whose only interest is to make sure your football team, army, business, or marriage thrives, prospers, and triumphs over all opposition. Religions are places to stand and look and act, vantage points from which to view the world. So none of this is happening. Such things could not occur. Never a word of it is literally true.”


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    Christmas is a Pagan tradition anyway, all the way up intil the Church jacked it to assimilate the populace.
    I am the seer in the dark,
    the vagabond of yore,
    valediction.
    I am the sum of all your parts,
    and proprietor of all.
    A miasma,
    the conclusion,
    blackmonger of Inlé,
    valediction.
    Synapses fray,
    my form now vivid,
    as torpor sets and blood grows tepid.
    With every ounce of flesh now offered,
    I hold your corpse within my coffers.
    Knitted cells now split asunder,
    stand alongside me brother.
    Take your place amongst my Owsla,
    we march at dawn now and forever.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Johnson View Post


    People no longer recognize christmas as being Jesus's birthday.

    Santa is more celebrated in christmas than jesus.

    Need I say more?
    Okay, so why do you find it dangerous if people are "drifting away from religion"?

    As a "non believer" I ask you, Is it so wrong to celebrate something in the spirit of good will and consumerism without religion involved?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtm4 View Post
    Okay, so why do you find it dangerous if people are "drifting away from religion"?

    As a "non believer" I ask you, Is it so wrong to celebrate something in the spirit of good will and consumerism without religion involved?
    It's alright when you put it that way, but really the only reason I see it's a problem is because i'm a believer.

    If you're a non-believer then you could care less.

    But let me put it in a way that you can relate to.

    If every year on your birthday, your family and friends gave your siblings presents along with you.

    It's all in the spirit of good will, but it still defeats the purpose since it's no longer special towards you.

    It's not the best comparison but it's the best i can do.

    "Religions are, by definition, metaphors, after all: God is a dream, a hope, a woman, an ironist, a father, a city, a house of many rooms, a watchmaker who left his prize chronometer in the desert, someone who loves you—even, perhaps, against all evidence, a celestial being whose only interest is to make sure your football team, army, business, or marriage thrives, prospers, and triumphs over all opposition. Religions are places to stand and look and act, vantage points from which to view the world. So none of this is happening. Such things could not occur. Never a word of it is literally true.”


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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Johnson View Post


    It's alright when you put it that way, but really the only reason I see it's a problem is because i'm a believer.

    If you're a non-believer then you could care less.

    But let me put it in a way that you can relate to.

    If every year on your birthday, your family and friends gave your siblings presents along with you.

    It's all in the spirit of good will, but it still defeats the purpose since it's no longer special towards you.

    It's not the best comparison but it's the best i can do.

    I am sorry, but you make no sense. This holiday is not about me...
    What is your religion?
    And once again: Okay, so why do you find it dangerous if people are "drifting away from religion"?
    Last edited by dtm4; 12-24-2013 at 08:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Johnson View Post


    People no longer recognize christmas as being Jesus's birthday.

    Santa is more celebrated in christmas than jesus.

    Need I say more?

    Yeah. Jesus wasn't born on Christmas. If you read the scripture about the shepherds and all that, it should be unbelievably clear why. Why the fuck would a shepherd be out fucking their sheep during winter? Also, Palestine weather is a bitch.

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