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    Question Will I get VAC banned for visiting MPGH?

    'cuz I read somewhere that valve checks your DNS records via "ipconfig /displaydns" and bans you if you visit famous cheat sites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reav3R View Post
    'cuz I read somewhere that valve checks your DNS records via "ipconfig /displaydns" and bans you if you visit famous cheat sites.

    inb410/10
    You've been here since 2012 and have have invested almost 3,500 posts. I think you're fine.

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    Have you read the Reddit thread?
    Posted by GABE NEWELL [Valve CEO] (Verified)

    Trust is a critical part of a multiplayer game community - trust in the developer, trust in the system, and trust in the other players. Cheats are a negative sum game, where a minority benefits less than the majority is harmed.
    There are a bunch of different ways to attack a trust-based system including writing a bunch of code (hacks), or through social engineering (for example convincing people that the system isn't as trustworthy as they thought it was).
    For a game like Counter-Strike, there will be thousands of cheats created, several hundred of which will be actively in use at any given time. There will be around ten to twenty groups trying to make money selling cheats.
    We don't usually talk about VAC (our counter-hacking hacks), because it creates more opportunities for cheaters to attack the system (through writing code or social engineering).
    This time is going to be an exception.
    There are a number of kernel-level paid cheats that relate to this Reddit thread. Cheat developers have a problem in getting cheaters to actually pay them for all the obvious reasons, so they start creating DRM and anti-cheat code for their cheats. These cheats phone home to a DRM server that confirms that a cheater has actually paid to use the cheat.
    VAC checked for the presence of these cheats. If they were detected VAC then checked to see which cheat DRM server was being contacted. This second check was done by looking for a partial match to those (non-web) cheat DRM servers in the DNS cache. If found, then hashes of the matching DNS entries were sent to the VAC servers. The match was double checked on our servers and then that client was marked for a future ban. Less than a tenth of one percent of clients triggered the second check. 570 cheaters are being banned as a result.
    Cheat versus trust is an ongoing cat-and-mouse game. New cheats are created all the time, detected, banned, and tweaked. This specific VAC test for this specific round of cheats was effective for 13 days, which is fairly typical. It is now no longer active as the cheat providers have worked around it by manipulating the DNS cache of their customers' client machines.
    Kernel-level cheats are expensive to create, and they are expensive to detect. Our goal is to make them more expensive for cheaters and cheat creators than the economic benefits they can reasonably expect to gain.
    There is also a social engineering side to cheating, which is to attack people's trust in the system. If "Valve is evil - look they are tracking all of the websites you visit" is an idea that gets traction, then that is to the benefit of cheaters and cheat creators. VAC is inherently a scary looking piece of software, because it is trying to be obscure, it is going after code that is trying to attack it, and it is sneaky. For most cheat developers, social engineering might be a cheaper way to attack the system than continuing the code arms race, which means that there will be more Reddit posts trying to cast VAC in a sinister light.
    Our response is to make it clear what we were actually doing and why with enough transparency that people can make their own judgements as to whether or not we are trustworthy.
    Q&A
    1) Do we send your browsing history to Valve? No.
    2) Do we care what porn sites you visit? Oh, dear god, no. My brain just melted.
    3) Is Valve using its market success to go evil? I don't think so, but you have to make the call if we are trustworthy. We try really hard to earn and keep your trust.
    Also, an answer to your question:

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    I alt tab and check MPGH while im in a comp.

    I'm on mpgh all the time and I haven't been banned for visiting this site.

    I have a 500$ inventory , so I wouldn't risk losing that for MPGH.

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    If I visit porno sites through steam will they tell my mom ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by _elz View Post
    If I visit porno sites through steam will they tell my mom ?
    Useless .

    Please do not ever reproduce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _elz View Post
    If I visit porno sites through steam will they tell my mom ?
    Nah, but Gabe will go to your house and fuck your mom while screaming HL3 CONFIRMED.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blake View Post


    Useless .

    Please do not ever reproduce.
    It's joke, if u don't undestand. If you still do not understand = Porno sites on steam

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    Quote Originally Posted by _elz View Post
    It's joke, if u don't undestand. If you still do not understand = Porno sites on steam
    Well I'm not joking.

    You're useless
    DON'T reproduce.

    Damn that was harsh lmao, just fucking with you tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blake View Post


    Well I'm not joking.

    You're useless
    DON'T reproduce.

    Damn that was harsh lmao, just fucking with you tho
    >You're useless
    DON'T reproduce.

    Kinda lame. I'm writing music.

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    No you won't, they won't ban just because you visit a game hacking site. I've stated many times in-game that I'm staff on a hack site and nothing, plus directly linking people mpgh threads on steam, while in game (although I wouldn't be stupid enough to log in via steam browser).

    I'm pretty sure I'm on a list but idc.

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