Ok first of all I was like you. Hating the whole vista general shit etc. Now since I've been using it for about a month now I can see that it's more then meets the eye. It does take a more then default pc or mac to use it but common it took microsoft 5 years to make it and it's the second best OS from them. Their best is windows xp pro or home and thats because is so fucking reliable! But all and all Windows Vista is a very good Operating System and you should all praise it. Btw Ultimate is just overated and nobody should use it. These are the opinions of KyleForrest and or not the opinions of other Mpgh users.