Thread: Abortion

Page 1 of 7 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 98
  1. #1
    Ferris Bueller's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Gender
    male
    Location
    KFC
    Posts
    6,712
    Reputation
    409
    Thanks
    847
    My Mood
    Hot

    Abortion

    Well since this section is either dead or filled with piss poor excuses for arguments, let's start some actual good debates that affect the world shall we?

    The topic of discussion is abortion and whether it should be allowed or not.

    Now abortion has been a topic of discussion for a long time now.

    Let's put some facts on the table first(can be used to aid either side of the discussion):

    -There have been more than 53 million abortions performed in the United States since Roe v. Wade was decided back in 1973. What Roe V. Wade is a court case that ruled a law that prohibited abortion unconstitutional. This basically made abortion widely accepted in America.

    -There is on average more than a million abortions every year in America. That's more than a million lives lost without a chance of survival every year. This is legal. And fun fact, the amount of abortions is roughly equal to the amount of military deaths every year. Meaning there are as many soldiers dying out there to protect us as there are babies being killed legally inside the country.

    -About 41% of new york pregnancies end in abortion. 52% of African American pregnancies end in abortion.

    -An abortion costs about $500 while giving birth costs around $9000.

    -Anti-abortion activists are labeled as potential terrorists and "threats" by homeland security.

    -Some abortion clinics have been caught selling baby parts to researchers.

    -Planned Parenthood Founder Margaret Sanger said, “The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.” and a book called “Woman, Morality, and Birth Control”, the same woman from before says this, “Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.” Her organization alone does approximately 300,000 abortions every year mind you. The 30 executives in this organizations make about $200,000 to $300,000 each. The organization received $487 million from the federal government in 2010.

    -Here's how partial birth abortions happen guys.(warning, this is pretty disgusting.)
     
    1) Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby’s legs with forceps.

    2) The baby’s leg is pulled out into the birth canal.

    3) The abortionist delivers the baby’s entire body, except for the head.

    4) The abortionist jams scissors into the baby’s skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the skull.

    5) The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child’s brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed.


    So with all that being said, I am against abortion. I believe it should not be legal and motivated.

    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand here are my sources:


    "Religions are, by definition, metaphors, after all: God is a dream, a hope, a woman, an ironist, a father, a city, a house of many rooms, a watchmaker who left his prize chronometer in the desert, someone who loves you—even, perhaps, against all evidence, a celestial being whose only interest is to make sure your football team, army, business, or marriage thrives, prospers, and triumphs over all opposition. Religions are places to stand and look and act, vantage points from which to view the world. So none of this is happening. Such things could not occur. Never a word of it is literally true.”


  2. #2
    Empire's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Gender
    male
    Location
    .Alwayz.
    Posts
    19,896
    Reputation
    659
    Thanks
    1,346
    My Mood
    Pensive
    Question, what is your stance towards condoms and contraceptives?


  3. #3
    Ferris Bueller's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Gender
    male
    Location
    KFC
    Posts
    6,712
    Reputation
    409
    Thanks
    847
    My Mood
    Hot
    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post
    Question, what is your stance towards condoms and contraceptives?
    I see that condoms are not 100% safe but I mean at least they're some sort of protection if you're going to do it. While abstinence is the better choice, condoms are the second best.

    I don't know about birth control man. I'm not for taking pills to stop making babies because i'm scared of the permanent effects. I think condoms are better.

    "Religions are, by definition, metaphors, after all: God is a dream, a hope, a woman, an ironist, a father, a city, a house of many rooms, a watchmaker who left his prize chronometer in the desert, someone who loves you—even, perhaps, against all evidence, a celestial being whose only interest is to make sure your football team, army, business, or marriage thrives, prospers, and triumphs over all opposition. Religions are places to stand and look and act, vantage points from which to view the world. So none of this is happening. Such things could not occur. Never a word of it is literally true.”


  4. #4
    MOST PLAYED's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Gender
    male
    Posts
    326
    Reputation
    25
    Thanks
    55
    well it is the girls choice in the end

    If you can't handle it theres no point in having it

    So sad though

  5. #5
    Misery Jr.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Gender
    male
    Location
    Teamspeak
    Posts
    1,215
    Reputation
    247
    Thanks
    264
    My Mood
    Happy
    Well I prefer that the baby die young if their parents say so.
    I mean what if the baby's parents are crack heads and/or abusive or something?

  6. #6
    ap0.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Gender
    male
    Posts
    177
    Reputation
    10
    Thanks
    122
    Haha, funny how they do, scissors xD

  7. #7
    Misery Jr.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Gender
    male
    Location
    Teamspeak
    Posts
    1,215
    Reputation
    247
    Thanks
    264
    My Mood
    Happy
    Quote Originally Posted by ap0. View Post
    Haha, funny how they do, scissors xD
    That's not funny, that's plain sick.

  8. #8
    Invaild_Username's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Gender
    male
    Location
    In Your Dreams :3
    Posts
    1,099
    Reputation
    59
    Thanks
    408
    My Mood
    Dead
    Quote Originally Posted by ap0. View Post
    Haha, funny how they do, scissors xD
    God thats messed up


     

    Vouch Thread
    Quote Originally Posted by Astronaut. View Post
    Date: March 20th, 2014
    Other Person involved: No others, only me and OP.
    Item that has been sold/traded: CrunchyRoll Account
    Selling Thread (URL): https://www.mpgh.net/forum/showthread.php?t=807479
    Extra Notes: Friendly person, always nice to meet a fellow anime watcher Transaction was fast and went smoothly.


     

    Skype : officialibutrollfen (This is my only skype)
    Steam : IBuTrollFen




  9. #9
    Empire's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Gender
    male
    Location
    .Alwayz.
    Posts
    19,896
    Reputation
    659
    Thanks
    1,346
    My Mood
    Pensive
    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Johnson View Post


    I see that condoms are not 100% safe but I mean at least they're some sort of protection if you're going to do it. While abstinence is the better choice, condoms are the second best.

    I don't know about birth control man. I'm not for taking pills to stop making babies because i'm scared of the permanent effects. I think condoms are better.
    So you approve contraceptives?

    Because that's all abortion really is.


    You can argue it's killing a child, but honestly it's no different than any other form of contraceptive.


  10. The Following User Says Thank You to Empire For This Useful Post:

    ap0. (03-06-2014)

  11. #10
    kaysnd7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Gender
    female
    Location
    United States
    Posts
    319
    Reputation
    14
    Thanks
    143
    Ugh. The way abortion sounds is terrible, but if the person can't literally have a child then it's whatever. Say a 12 year old gets raped and pregnant, It is pretty smart to make her not risk her own life to have a baby she didn't even want. I believe it all depends on the scenario. If the parents were stupid and just got knocked up without protection that a completely different story, and they should deal with their mistakes, and have the baby, and just go for adoption or something.

    On the other hand about condoms and abstinence and all that which was mentioned. It really depends on the person @MOST PLAYED as he said it IS the girls choice. If she wants to be on birth control so be it, It doesn't necessarily kill the baby, she just doesn't release an egg, it's never born or even growing. And condoms don't kill the "egg" either, just male sperm, if your against condoms, why would you still jack off and release all your sperm ? As i said depends on the person.

    My views are that abortion is wrong in most cases unless you absolutely have no other option/can't have the baby, no i don't approve of how it is done. But, you only mentioned the completely graphic way, there are other options, look up the abortion pill.
    My views are pro contraceptive, being a girl there are many reasons the pill/shot are a good idea. Especially if you have problems that lead you to needing the pill for womanly reasons. (IE. (tmi maybe oh well.) Girl doesn't get periods, irregular, control cramps and blood flow, it's not just preventing pregnancy.) And it is a much better option then killing an already growing baby.
    Now on to condoms, i have no ill feelings towards them, i don't personally use them, but they do what they're meant to do, they prevent pregnancy to a certain degree, and fight stds, If you think contraceptive kills babies, your opinion on condoms should be very low since you are killing male sperm using them and when you masturbate, and if that really is your view, go abstinent, don't touch yourself, or have sex ever till you want to have kids.
    Abstinence isn't my thing either. I feel if two people love each other they should have sex and be intimate, but sex for the wrong reasons, like just plain getting off, and prostitutes, is wrong and those people really should wait.
    Like my post? Than click the "Thanks" button or Rep me! :3
    “The way I see it, every life is a pile of good things and bad things. The good things don’t always soften the bad things, but vice versa, the bad things don’t always spoil the good things and make them unimportant.”
    — The Doctor

  12. #11
    Empire's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Gender
    male
    Location
    .Alwayz.
    Posts
    19,896
    Reputation
    659
    Thanks
    1,346
    My Mood
    Pensive
    :/

    From my perspective:

    People against abortion:
    -Haven't given childbirth, don't know the problems financially and medically of being pregnant, the cost of even having a child much less taking care of it.
    -Putting their views onto other people because "hey why not, it's not my problem and I won't have to deal with it" especially males. Males have no say in this subject whatsoever.
    -Wishy washy moral values. I.e. abortion is wrong but contraceptives are ok, although they serve the same purpose.
    - Debating a "fine line" as if there is some absolute value when human life is considered "sacred".


    Here, george carlin owning abortion talks:




    Feel thats enough for the thread.
    Last edited by Empire; 03-05-2014 at 02:52 PM.


  13. #12
    Ferris Bueller's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Gender
    male
    Location
    KFC
    Posts
    6,712
    Reputation
    409
    Thanks
    847
    My Mood
    Hot
    Quote Originally Posted by Empire View Post


    So you approve contraceptives?

    Because that's all abortion really is.


    You can argue it's killing a child, but honestly it's no different than any other form of contraceptive.
    Contraceptives and abortion are two very different animals.

    While I don't approve of contraceptives, they are preventative measures.

    They don't kill fetuses.

    What they basically do is stop ovulation so that when sex happens, there are no eggs for the male's sperm to be fertilized.

    Preventing egg cells from being produced and killing a developing baby fetus are not similar things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jacareverde View Post
    Well I prefer that the baby die young if their parents say so.
    I mean what if the baby's parents are crack heads and/or abusive or something?
    Quote Originally Posted by MOST PLAYED View Post
    well it is the girls choice in the end

    If you can't handle it theres no point in having it

    So sad though
    Just because the person made the baby does not give them the right to kill it.

    If parents are allowed to kill their fetuses, why not let them kill their children? They're one and the same really.

    And that excuse of "oh they're not capable of raising a child" or "what if the parents are junkies or abusive" is bull. You are basically saying that because they can't raise a child then they kill it. That's fucking heartless. Why not just go look in all the houses and kill children whose parents are idiots. Listen to yourself for a minute and understand that these fetuses are live beings and have as much of a right to live as you. Not giving them a chance of survival and playing god is immoral and heartless.

    "Religions are, by definition, metaphors, after all: God is a dream, a hope, a woman, an ironist, a father, a city, a house of many rooms, a watchmaker who left his prize chronometer in the desert, someone who loves you—even, perhaps, against all evidence, a celestial being whose only interest is to make sure your football team, army, business, or marriage thrives, prospers, and triumphs over all opposition. Religions are places to stand and look and act, vantage points from which to view the world. So none of this is happening. Such things could not occur. Never a word of it is literally true.”


  14. #13
    Austin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Gender
    male
    Location
    Great White North
    Posts
    29,884
    Reputation
    5362
    Thanks
    7,934
    My Mood
    Lurking
    I'm pro-abortion but the issue has all kinds of retard surrounding it.


    If the man doesn't want the child, but the woman does, he still has to pay child support.

    If the woman doesn't the child, but the man does, dead baby.

    If women have the right to abort a pregnancy, men should have the right to abstain their paternal duties.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=IROfKBoVtTg



    VIP Support // May 2011
    CF Minion // January 2012
    Newsforce // August 2012
    Minion+ // March 2013
    Moderator // August 2014
    Former Staff // January 2015
    General Minion // July 2015
    Publicist // December 2015


  15. The Following User Says Thank You to Austin For This Useful Post:

    ap0. (03-06-2014)

  16. #14
    Ferris Bueller's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Gender
    male
    Location
    KFC
    Posts
    6,712
    Reputation
    409
    Thanks
    847
    My Mood
    Hot
    Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal View Post
    I'm pro-abortion but the issue has all kinds of retard surrounding it.


    If the man doesn't want the child, but the woman does, he still has to pay child support.

    If the woman doesn't the child, but the man does, dead baby.

    If women have the right to abort a pregnancy, men should have the right to abstain their paternal duties.
    Can you explain why you are pro-abortion?

    Why do you think it's right and should be legal?

    "Religions are, by definition, metaphors, after all: God is a dream, a hope, a woman, an ironist, a father, a city, a house of many rooms, a watchmaker who left his prize chronometer in the desert, someone who loves you—even, perhaps, against all evidence, a celestial being whose only interest is to make sure your football team, army, business, or marriage thrives, prospers, and triumphs over all opposition. Religions are places to stand and look and act, vantage points from which to view the world. So none of this is happening. Such things could not occur. Never a word of it is literally true.”


  17. #15
    MOST PLAYED's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Gender
    male
    Posts
    326
    Reputation
    25
    Thanks
    55
    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Johnson View Post


    Contraceptives and abortion are two very different animals.

    While I don't approve of contraceptives, they are preventative measures.

    They don't kill fetuses.

    What they basically do is stop ovulation so that when sex happens, there are no eggs for the male's sperm to be fertilized.

    Preventing egg cells from being produced and killing a developing baby fetus are not similar things.





    Just because the person made the baby does not give them the right to kill it.

    If parents are allowed to kill their fetuses, why not let them kill their children? They're one and the same really.

    And that excuse of "oh they're not capable of raising a child" or "what if the parents are junkies or abusive" is bull. You are basically saying that because they can't raise a child then they kill it. That's fucking heartless. Why not just go look in all the houses and kill children whose parents are idiots. Listen to yourself for a minute and understand that these fetuses are live beings and have as much of a right to live as you. Not giving them a chance of survival and playing god is immoral and heartless.
    answer this. Would you live a shitty life or not live it at all?

Page 1 of 7 123 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. [Help Request] what is connection to server aborted
    By eutje1 in forum Piercing Blow Help
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 05-15-2012, 10:38 AM
  2. Abortion.
    By Sir Nathan in forum Religion
    Replies: 84
    Last Post: 07-12-2011, 10:57 AM
  3. abortion
    By deadskulz in forum RuneScape Discussions
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 04-26-2011, 12:35 AM
  4. [TuT] How to abort Shutdown -s -t -c
    By Invidus in forum Programming Tutorials
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 03-20-2010, 05:50 AM
  5. Are you in favor of abortions or against.
    By gunslinger55 in forum Debate Fort
    Replies: 63
    Last Post: 05-05-2009, 08:52 AM