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    First of all let me make this clear, I AM NOT DISSING CHRISTIANITY. I AM JUST TRYING TO REVEAL THE TRUTH

    now lets start with the story of Horus

    - Horus - (Egyption God)
    Born on Dec. 25th
    Born a virgin
    Star in the east
    Adorned by 3 kings
    teacher at 12
    baptized/ministry at 30
    12 desciples
    performed miracles
    "Lamb of god"/"The Light"
    Crucified
    died for 3 days
    resurrected

    sounds familiar

    Story of Jesus

    Jesus christ was born of a virgin Mary on Dec. 25th in Bethlehem, His birth was annoucned by a star in the east which 3 kings followed to locate and adorn the new saviour. He was a child teacher at 12 and at the age of 30 he was baptized by John the Baptist and thus began his ministry. He has 12 desciples which he travelled about with, performed miracles such as healing the sick, walking on water, raising the dead. He was also known as KING OF KINGS/SON OF GOD/LIGHT OF THE WORLD/ALPHA AND OMEGA/LAMB OF GOD.
    after being betrayed by his desciple Judas and sold for 30 pieces of silver, he was crucified, placed in a tomb for 3 days, resurrected and ascended into heaven

    - Jesus -
    Born of a virgin
    Born on dec. 25th
    star in the east
    adorned by 3 kings
    12 desciples
    performed miracles
    dead for 3 days
    resurrected

    The birth sequence
    "Born of a virgin
    Born on dec. 25th
    star in the east
    adorned by 3 kings"
    is astrological

    The star in the east is the star Sirius(Star in the east), the brightest star in the night sky which on dec. 24th allign with the 3 brightest stars in Orion's Belt. The 3 stars are called today what they were called in ancient times. THE TREE KINGS. and the THREE KINGS and the STAR IN THE EAST (Sirius) all point to the place of the sun rise on dec. 25th. this is why the 3 kings follow the star in the east in order to locate the sun rise

    Does this mean that Jesus was a myth just as Horus was? No, Jesus (pbuh) was actually a living prophet who spread the message of a One God

    Let's see what else we know about Horus.

    After Horus's father Osiris was murdered by his brother Set, He fought with Set for the throne of Egypt. The fight resulted in one of Horus's eye becoming injured. As such Horus one the battle and became the "ONE-EYED SUN GOD".

    He was eventually merged with Ra to be come Ra-Horakhty, the ruler of Egypt. Ra-Horakhty became interpreted as the one god of Egyptians, and that all other gods were just different aspect of this one god and thus the one-eyed sun god was referred to as the "son of god", "the light of the world" and "the ruler of all" Has there been a world wide conspiracy that is preparing the world to accept the one-eyed dajjal/anti-christ as the true messiah?

    pagan "christians" have manipulated the true persona of Jesus the Messiah into a representation of the sun in order to allow their followers to indirectly worship the sun, A task that Satan has been succesful at accomplishing for thousands of years (yes im talking about the Illuminati and New World Order.) Why do you think you go to church and pray on "Sun"day? The Holy Quran was ordered to be memorized. As such, it was incredibly hard to change any piece of scripture.

    It has always been One God, One Message and all the differences were man made. Jesus was never considered a God, nor the Son of God until AD 325 at the council of Nicaea where he was VOTED by MEN to be so. And by doing so, those in powere were able to manipulate the Bible, and the teachings of Jesus as they pleased, and by calling it the word of God, allowed followers to fear questioning them.

    IF ANYONE HAS PROOF TO PROVE ME WRONG PLEASE REVEAL IT, DON'T JUST WRITE SOME BS


    Sorry the title of this topic should be changed to "Has the Bible been infiltrated?"
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    People really need to stop watching Zeitgeist...

    Jesus Christ in comparative mythology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The one correction I'll even waste my time to make would be this

    Quote Originally Posted by Sicknature View Post
    Jesus was never considered a God, nor the Son of God until AD 325 at the council of Nicaea where he was VOTED by MEN to be so.

    IF ANYONE HAS PROOF TO PROVE ME WRONG PLEASE REVEAL IT, DON'T JUST WRITE SOME BS
    If you bothered to even read the wiki on the first council of Nicaea
    "The Council was the first effort to attain consensus in the church through an assembly representing all of Christendom. Its main accomplishments were settlement of the Christological issue of the relationship of Jesus to God the Father"

    You see the word "consensus"? You do know what that means right? It certainly doesn't mean these men got together and said
    "Hmmm I got a sweet idea, let's make Jesus the son of God."
    "That's fucking brilliant."

    The Nazarene, Early Jewish-Christian sect
    Nazarene (sect) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    1. He wasn't born the 25th of December. Almost all christians realize this, since there are a lot of details explaining it happens in the summer.

    2.EVERYONE IS BORN A VIRGIN.

    3. None of that stuff about horus, his disciples, being crucified, and other stuff is true.

    Nice try though, oh look i found this.

    "No where in Egyptian mythology does it ever place the birth of Horus on December 25'th (not by our calendar, and not by any prior calendar). Isis was not depicted as a virgin, the story of Horus' conception involves Isis having sex with the dismembered penis of Osiris, but there is no indication that Isis was a virgin even if you think that doesn't count. No where in Egyptian Mythology does it ever even suggest that Horus was Crucified, and what's more Crucifixion was a Roman form of execution which significantly post-dates the story of Horus. The Ankh is not based on the crucifix, nor is the crucifix based on the ankh, that they are structurally similar is irrelevant the inspiration for their structure is different and their meaning is only remotely similar in the resurrection myth. There were many dying and rising gods in ancient mythology, some far more similar to Jesus and far more intimate to the region Christianity grew out of than the Horus myths could ever be.
    In other words, take everything in Zeitgeist with a table spoon of salt, the worst thing about it isn't that it lies about things like this, it's that some of the things in it are true and by association it makes lies look like truth and truth look like lies."

    wiki in response.


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    Great more proof Islam > christianity

    Thus proving Christianity WRONG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    Great more proof Islam > christianity

    Thus proving Christianity WRONG.
    Cool story bro, but all this shit has been debunked by respected theologists.
    Zeitgeistchallenge.com debunked it many times too.

    Here's a little something for you.

    ALLAH -THE MOON GOD

    The Archeology of The Middle East

    The religion of Islam has as its focus of worship a deity by the name of "Allah." The Muslims claim that Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets, and apostles. The issue is thus one of continuity. Was "Allah" the biblical God or a pagan god in Arabia during preIslamic times? The Muslim's claim of continuity is essential to their attempt to convert Jews and Christians for if "Allah" is part of the flow of divine revelation in Scripture, then it is the next step in biblical religion. Thus we should all become Muslims. But, on the other hand, if Allah was a pre Islamic pagan deity, then its core claim is refuted. Religious claims often fall before the results of hard sciences such as archeology. We can endlessly speculate about the past or go and dig it up and see what the evidence reveals. This is the only way to find out the truth concerning the origins of Allah. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the Moon-god who was married to the sun goddess and the stars were his daughters.

    Archeologists have uncovered temples to the Moon-god throughout the Middle East. From the mountains of Turkey to the banks of the Nile, the most widespread religion of the ancient world was the worship of the Moon-god. In the first literate civilization, the Sumerians have left us thousands of clay tablets in which they described their religious beliefs. As demonstrated by Sjøberg and Hall, the ancient Sumerians worshipped a Moon-god who was called many different names. The most popular names were Nanna, Suen and Asimbabbar. His symbol was the crescent moon. Given the amount of artifacts concerning the worship of this Moon-god, it is clear that this was the dominant religion in Sumeria. The cult of the Moon-god was the most popular religion throughout ancient Mesopotamia. The Assyrians, Babylonians, and the Akkadians took the word Suen and transformed it into the word Sin as their favorite name for the Moon-god. As Prof. Potts pointed out, "Sin is a name essentially Sumerian in origin which had been borrowed by the Semites."

    In ancient Syria and Canna, the Moon-god Sin was usually represented by the moon in its crescent phase. At times the full moon was placed inside the crescent moon to emphasize all the phases of the moon. The sun-goddess was the wife of Sin and the stars were their daughters. For example, Istar was a daughter of Sin. Sacrifices to the Moon-god are described in the Pas Shamra texts. In the Ugaritic texts, the Moon-god was sometimes called Kusuh. In Persia, as well as in Egypt, the Moon-god is depicted on wall murals and on the heads of statues. He was the Judge of men and gods. The Old Testament constantly rebuked the worship of the Moon-god (see: Deut. 4:19;17:3; II Kngs. 21:3,5; 23:5; Jer. 8:2; 19:13; Zeph. 1:5, etc.) When Israel fell into idolatry, it was usually the cult of the Moon-god. As a matter of fact, everywhere in the ancient world, the symbol of the crescent moon can be found on seal impressions, steles, pottery, amulets, clay tablets, cylinders, weights, earrings, necklaces, wal murals, etc. In Tell-el-Obeid, a copper calf was found with a crescent moon on its forehead. An idol with the body of a bull and the head of man has a crescent moon inlaid on its forehead with shells. In Ur, the Stela of Ur-Nammu has the crescent symbol placed at the top of the register of gods because the Moon-god was the head of the gods. Even bread was baked in the form of a crescent as an act of devotion to the Moon-god. The Ur of the Chaldees was so devoted to the Moon-god that it was sometimes called Nannar in tablets from that time period.

    A temple of the Moon-god has been excavated in Ur by Sir Leonard Woolley. He dug up many examples of moon worship in Ur and these are displayed in the British Museum to this day. Harran was likewise noted for its devotion to the Moon-god. In the 1950's a major temple to the Moon-god was excavated at Hazer in Palestine. Two idols of the moon god were found. Each was a stature of a man sitting upon a throne with a crescent moon carved on his chest . The accompanying inscriptions make it clear that these were idols of the Moon-god. Several smaller statues were also found which were identified by their inscriptions as the "daughters" of the Moon-god. What about Arabia? As pointed out by Prof. Coon, "Muslims are notoriously loath to preserve traditions of earlier paganism and like to garble what pre-Islamic history they permit to survive in anachronistic terms."

    During the nineteenth century, Amaud, Halevy and Glaser went to Southern Arabia and dug up thousands of Sabean, Minaean, and Qatabanian inscriptions which were subsequently translated. In the 1940's, the archeologists G. Caton Thompson and Carleton S. Coon made some amazing discoveries in Arabia. During the 1950's, Wendell Phillips, W.F. Albright, Richard Bower and others excavated sites at Qataban, Timna, and Marib (the ancient capital of Sheba). Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in Northern Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered. The three daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat are sometimes depicted together with Allah the Moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them. The archeological evidence demonstrates that the dominant religion of Arabia was the cult of the Moon-god.

    In Old Testament times, Nabonidus (555-539 BC), the last king of Babylon, built Tayma, Arabia as a center of Moon-god worship. Segall stated, "South Arabia's stellar religion has always been dominated by the Moon-god in various variations." Many scholars have also noticed that the Moon-god's name "Sin" is a part of such Arabic words as "Sinai," the "wilderness of Sin," etc. When the popularity of the Moon-god waned elsewhere, the Arabs remained true to their conviction that the Moon-god was the greatest of all gods. While they worshipped 360 gods at the Kabah in Mecca, the Moon-god was the chief deity. Mecca was in fact built as a shrine for the Moon-god. This is what made it the most sacred site of Arabian paganism. In 1944, G. Caton Thompson revealed in her book, The Tombs and Moon Temple of Hureidha, that she had uncovered a temple of the Moon-god in southern Arabia. The symbols of the crescent moon and no less than twenty-one inscriptions with the name Sin were found in this temple. An idol which may be the Moon-god himself was also discovered. This was later confirmed by other well-known archeologists.

    The evidence reveals that the temple of the Moon-god was active even in the Christian era. Evidence gathered from both North and South Arabia demonstrate that Moon-god worship was clearly active even in Muhammad's day and was still the dominant cult. According to numerous inscriptions, while the name of the Moon-god was Sin, his title was al-ilah, i.e. "the deity," meaning that he was the chief or high god among the gods. As Coon pointed out, "The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God." The Moon-god was called al-ilah, i.e. the god, which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. The pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad's father and uncle had Allah as part of their names. The fact that they were given such names by their pagan parents proves that Allah was the title for the Moon-god even in Muhammad's day. Prof. Coon goes on to say, "Similarly, under Mohammed's tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah, became Al-Ilah, The God, or Allah, the Supreme Being."

    This fact answers the questions, "Why is Allah never defined in the Qur'an? Why did Muhammad assume that the pagan Arabs already knew who Allah was?" Muhammad was raised in the religion of the Moon-god Allah. But he went one step further than his fellow pagan Arabs. While they believed that Allah, i.e. the Moon-god, was the greatest of all gods and the supreme deity in a pantheon of deities, Muhammad decided that Allah was not only the greatest god but the only god. In effect he said, "Look, you already believe that the Moon-god Allah is the greatest of all gods. All I want you to do is to accept that the idea that he is the only god. I am not taking away the Allah you already worship. I am only taking away his wife and his daughters and all the other gods." This is seen from the fact that the first point of the Muslim creed is not, "Allah is great" but "Allah is the greatest," i.e., he is the greatest among the gods. Why would Muhammad say that Allah is the "greatest" except in a polytheistic context? The Arabic word is used to contrast the greater from the lesser. That this is true is seen from the fact that the pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped. This "Allah" was the Moon-god according to the archeological evidence. Muhammad thus attempted to have it both ways. To the pagans, he said that he still believed in the Moon-god Allah. To the Jews and the Christians, he said that Allah was their God too. But both the Jews and the Christians knew better and that is why they rejected his god Allah as a false god.

    Al-Kindi, one of the early Christian apologists against Islam, pointed out that Islam and its god Allah did not come from the Bible but from the paganism of the Sabeans. They did not worship the God of the Bible but the Moon-god and his daughters al-Uzza, al-Lat and Manat. Dr. Newman concludes his study of the early Christian-Muslim debates by stating, "Islam proved itself to be...a separate and antagonistic religion which had sprung up from idolatry." Islamic scholar Caesar Farah concluded "There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews." The Arabs worshipped the Moon-god as a supreme deity. But this was not biblical monotheism. While the Moon-god was greater than all other gods and goddesses, this was still a polytheistic pantheon of deities. Now that we have the actual idols of the Moon-god, it is no longer possible to avoid the fact that Allah was a pagan god in pre-Islamic times. Is it any wonder then that the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon? That a crescent moon sits on top of their mosques and minarets? That a crescent moon is found on the flags of Islamic nations? That the Muslims fast during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky?

    CONCLUSION

    The pagan Arabs worshipped the Moon-god Allah by praying toward Mecca several times a day; making a pilgrimage to Mecca; running around the temple of the Moon-god called the Kabah; kissing the black stone; killing an animal in sacrifice to the Moon-god; throwing stones at the devil; fasting for the month which begins and ends with the crescent moon; giving alms to the poor, etc. The Muslim's claim that Allah is the God of the Bible and that Islam arose from the religion of the prophets and apostles is refuted by solid, overwhelming archeological evidence. Islam is nothing more than a revival of the ancient Moon-god cult. It has taken the symbols, the rites, the ceremonies, and even the name of its god from the ancient pagan religion of the Moon-god. As such, it is sheer idolatry and must be rejected by all those who follow the Torah and Gospel.

    Clearly, Islam is a Satanic deception that is leading billions of people to Hell

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    Wow, I'm not reading all that bro.

    Heres a shorter version.

    Pagans worshipped statues (Not by the name of allah)
    Pagans got a message that a prophet is spreading the message of god.
    But that god was allah SWT.

    Mohammed entered Jerusalem were he got thrown rocks at him, but he kept going. and spread the word.

    "Teach the language, then teach the reading(quran)". this proves the quran was ment for all, not just arabs.

    Now 2billion people world wide, are muslim. but the fact is...

    If i removed the true muslims from the 2billion, there would be 100,000 minimum.
    and the rest, indulge in sin.

    Christians believe there prophets cannot do sin.

    But acuse prophet job of (sex with his daughters).
    ... Christianity merged from Judaism, Islam merged from NONE. because Islam is the only book with scientific proof.

    Read the bible - Night and day was created before the earth, how can there be night and day without the rotation of the earth?...

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    Bible was created so simple folks could understand it
    your brain was also,never created
    Islam has many things from Christianity and Judaism
    now go cry.
    you got no basis.

    as for all the research Arabs did,it was previous work of the Greeks,with the exception of algebra and numbers the way we know it now.

    Christianity was spread because people believed in it,believed that God died to save them!which other religion has it's leader sacrifice himself to save others?huh?
    Islam was spread through swords and arrows.
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    HAHA! "SWORDS AND ARROWS"

    Go do some fucking research please, PROPHET MOHAMMED pbuh; walked more then you have walked in your life time, and took more pain then you took in your life time to spread what we have now.

    Christians believe in a HUMAN GOD = PAGAN.
    Christians believe in a Holy spirit = Imagination..
    Christians believe that wine is permited, = get drunk much?.

    Jesus means more to muslims then christians, name means nothing weather god or prophet, it will always mean more to muslims.

    Americans now cry about "without us you woudn't be using that PC" or w.e...guess what:

    Without arabs you wouldn't have a nuclear bomb.
    Without arabs you wouldn't know the world is a sphere.
    Without arabs you wouldn't know what "3.14" meant.
    Without arabs you wouldn't have an xbox or ps3 or ps1!!

    Without arabs you wouldn't have anything, the greek founded maths but couldn't improve on it, but the arabs improved on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    Without arabs you wouldn't know the world is a sphere.
    Without arabs you wouldn't know what "3.14" meant.
    I quote these particulary.
    Greeks knew the world was a sphere from the 7th century BC.
    Π=3.14
    oh wait!Π is greek for P!
    guess what.we made those two
    Arabs recovered the Alexandria Library scrolls,made by Greeks in the Hellenestic Era,stored the wisdom of centuries.
    don't bs with me about History.
    and yes,christians set it on fire.
    Quran teaches you to be polite and kind to Jews and Christians,especially the two prophets!which you don't.

    Christians don't believe in a human god,they believe in a God who took a Human form for 33years and sacrificed himself for them,to be revived 3 days after.
    see?I know both your religion and mine /
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    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    HAHA! "SWORDS AND ARROWS"

    Go do some fucking research please, PROPHET MOHAMMED pbuh; walked more then you have walked in your life time, and took more pain then you took in your life time to spread what we have now.

    Christians believe in a HUMAN GOD = PAGAN.
    Christians believe in a Holy spirit = Imagination..
    Christians believe that wine is permited, = get drunk much?.

    Jesus means more to muslims then christians, name means nothing weather god or prophet, it will always mean more to muslims.

    Americans now cry about "without us you woudn't be using that PC" or w.e...guess what:

    Without arabs you wouldn't have a nuclear bomb.
    Without arabs you wouldn't know the world is a sphere.
    Without arabs you wouldn't know what "3.14" meant.
    Without arabs you wouldn't have an xbox or ps3 or ps1!!

    Without arabs you wouldn't have anything, the greek founded maths but couldn't improve on it, but the arabs improved on it.
    Yeah, because Pythagoras was an Arab.
    Lol..man you're an extremely jaded individual.
    But God gives you freedom of volition.
    So you can believe whatever you like,
    just remember like any choice you make, there are consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Yeah, because Pythagoras was an Arab.
    quoted for laughing. / / /
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    Casavir, second bump ive seen please stop :L

    "That was kinda jokes though" :P

    Pythagoras was arab >:O [joke]..ok maby i exaggerated there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visiblegaming View Post
    Casavir, second bump ive seen please stop :L

    "That was kinda jokes though" :P

    Pythagoras was arab >:O [joke]..ok maby i exaggerated there.
    You do know that if an Arab wouldn't have made the breakthrough, it would have been someone of a different religion? /
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