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    When is a user actually trusted?

    Sup,
    I would like to know what makes a user trustable. I see so many posts where people say stuff like
    "since I'm a trusted member" or "CHEAP/SAFE/TRUSTED" in their headline. I donīt know what makes these people trusted nowadays, shouldnīt only people with the MPGH trusted tag be allowed to claim theyīre trusted?
    Since reputatable members turned to be scammers I donīt know how people are still allowed to advertise with it

    Please tell me when you think a user is trustable and letīs discuss it here.

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    well it really depends on how the user can be trusted. For me i only buy and trade from trusted staff members and sellers that have a huge reputation. I dont do any trades with anyone who had just recently made their account or has a low post count, unless they are willingly want to go first.




     
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    The trusted tag isn't really used. I've seen maybe 2-3 users (just around on the forums) and I check mpgh literally 15hours a day.

    A user is never trusted. Simple as that.

    It's more like gambling, statistics.

    A user with x postcount is likely to scam y%

    So when x = 10 , y = 90
    When x = 100 , y = 70
    when x = 500 , y = 30
    when x = 1500 , y = 5

    This is just some random numbers, not to be taken seriously. I kept in mind whilst choosing these numbers that the trade in this test was equal to over $1000.




     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luverdark View Post
    The trusted tag isn't really used. I've seen maybe 2-3 users (just around on the forums) and I check mpgh literally 15hours a day.

    A user is never trusted. Simple as that.

    It's more like gambling, statistics.

    A user with x postcount is likely to scam y%

    So when x = 10 , y = 90
    When x = 100 , y = 70
    when x = 500 , y = 30
    when x = 1500 , y = 5

    This is just some random numbers, not to be taken seriously. I kept in mind whilst choosing these numbers that the trade in this test was equal to over $1000.
    Couldīve just said that more posts = less scam possiblity

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    no one is ever "trusted", in every trade there's gonna be a risk involved one way or another. only risk what you're willing to lose

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aion12 View Post
    well it really depends on how the user can be trusted. For me i only buy and trade from trusted staff members and sellers that have a huge reputation. I dont do any trades with anyone who had just recently made their account or has a low post count, unless they are willingly want to go first.
    Same for me, I actually boycot these sellers as they probably dont even care about MPGH and donīt mind if they are banned


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    Quote Originally Posted by CoupeFanatic View Post
    no one is ever "trusted", in every trade there's gonna be a risk involved one way or another. only risk what you're willing to lose
    Thatīs the very sad part about the whole marketplace section tbh
    We need the middleman system again, seriously.

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    i joined here recently and have noticed that some of the big names i added on Skype and talked to turned into scammers in front of my eyes. No one can really be classified as trusted until you personally know them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakeshsharma View Post
    i joined here recently and have noticed that some of the big names i added on Skype and talked to turned into scammers in front of my eyes. No one can really be classified as trusted until you personally know them
    Sadly not even then I believe. Thatīs the internet man..so sad.
    Literally, once reputatable MPGH members dropping like flies in the few past weeks/months


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    Being 'trusted' or building up to that interpreted 'trust' shouldn't be based off of postcount.

    Postcount is merely a contribution to a forum, socializing in a community or an aspiration to build that interpreted trust around a forum.

    Reputation would be a nice indicator, however on MPGH reputation means nominal amounts as negative reputation was disabled so everyone has positive rep. Furthermore, the rep isn't distributed as it should due to the lack of emphasis of reputation on this forum.

    Instead, trust should be based on their legitimate contributions to the forum, the amount of deals they've done and any type of investment or commitment they have. Of course, there are outliers in the past that void this. Nik, Law, my list could go on and on. They were members of the staff team, obvious investment/commitment, and they still scammed. On the contrary, it's a very small amount of those outliers so I stand by my statement.






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    just Don't break trust !

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    I have noticed more the vouches/posts/rep a user has and bigger will be the scam(light, Windodge, Degree). so Be vary of good to be true offers Likesomeone selling big AGC for 70% or less, someone doing a newest thing in the market which no one has before and if someone is doing lots off stuff and claiming big but no proof.

    IMO small rep ppl are safe as u will ofcourse be playing safe and small and will be cautious. Just like gambling/ Betting, underdogs make u loose often but small but when that 1.10 Favorite fucks up, it breaks the bank. aye @masteryoda

    So basically anybody can scam at any given point of time depeding on amount they are getting.
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    Well, even your friend can scam you, because for lot of people money is the main thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychotic View Post
    Being 'trusted' or building up to that interpreted 'trust' shouldn't be based off of postcount.

    Postcount is merely a contribution to a forum, socializing in a community or an aspiration to build that interpreted trust around a forum.

    Reputation would be a nice indicator, however on MPGH reputation means nominal amounts as negative reputation was disabled so everyone has positive rep. Furthermore, the rep isn't distributed as it should due to the lack of emphasis of reputation on this forum.

    Instead, trust should be based on their legitimate contributions to the forum, the amount of deals they've done and any type of investment or commitment they have. Of course, there are outliers in the past that void this. Nik, Law, my list could go on and on. They were members of the staff team, obvious investment/commitment, and they still scammed. On the contrary, it's a very small amount of those outliers so I stand by my statement.
    I liked your previous avatar more
    Thatīs the thing.
    The list could literally go on and on and on. I donīt know what has to be done but there has to be a way to reduce scammers.
    A freaking Prime example is this rule

    Iīve never seen it in action tbh..also Middleman, I think there has to be no further explenation on this - would reduce "classic" trades scam rate by a lot.
    Maybe the negativ rep should be brought back
    I just donīt know how people are still trading when so many scams happend, further more I canīt stand the fact that you actually allow people to put "| TRUSTED |" or other stuff in their headline. They are literally claiming that themselves and ignorant people maybe donīt do a background check of the user and heīs scammed. Obviously itīs on the buyer to take care but with that in their headline they look more legit
    Canīt really express my exact thoughts as I donīt know how to put them in english words, I hope you understand me anyways

    Oh and in general, also the biggest issue might be the following:
    I believe there is not enough staff, especially in the Marketplace section. If there were more staff members in the marketplace section there could be middleman again, more staff would also mean that stuff would get approved faster, more staff also means safer trading regarding staff vouch copies.
    Just some overall thoughts since FanticSteal isnīt moderating the marketplace anymore



    Quote Originally Posted by manav24 View Post
    Be vary of good to be true offers Likesomeone selling big AGC for 70% or less, someone doing a newest thing in the market which no one has before and if someone is doing lots off stuff and claiming big but no proof.
    I understand that point, though there are enough services that sell GC for 70% or less that are legit. Example is @ @Luverdark - his thread

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    @ @NiBrA88

    It's not about having enough staff. I think having Hova, Darklord and I is ample amount of staff members to hold down the Marketplace.

    People seem to think that the more of us there are the more ban evaders we will catch which makes no sense. Since day one I was given MP Minion I've always prechecked all users posted a new thread thoroughly, even those that I know, because accounts being hijacked is a reality and must be checked for in case. I do this by checking recent posts, IP and searching their username/alias/IP on Google/MPGH to see if there's any past reports. Having more staff means threads are merely approved quicker which is not the priority.

    Whether we have more or less staff ban evaders and people who shouldn't be making threads will be caught. The recent influx in threads criticizing the MP is due to a mistake not under performing or ill-trained Middlemen/Minions.

    As for that rule you mentioned, that's basically what the precheck is for. It happens all the time and the reason you aren't seeing it is because the users are banned and their threads are deleted while in the moderation phase.






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