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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferris Bueller View Post


    Show me the quotes of me saying China is innocent. Why do people on this website still resort to attacks? Just have a civil discussion...



    I never said you said china is innocent, again you're putting words in my mouth WHILE accusing me of putting words in your mouth... You literally said I said you said "china is innocent" and said I put words in your mouth, then I tell you to back up your accusation, and then tell me to show you where you said "china is innocent." This is insanity.


    You said no one is going to war over a highly contagious virus that the Chinese government didn't spread willingly. Great. Then why are you arguing with me in the first place? That was the entire point of my first post... Maybe read my post instead of a caricature of what i'm trying to say...
    ???????? No one brought up war besides you. You're the one going off on tangents about other governments, dictators, imperialism, war and all sorts of crazy stuff. This is literally nothing related to that. It's called laying out the facts: fuck the chinese government and their bullshit that led to this pandemic. That's all I said and you start going off on random nonsense and strawman arguments.

    and also if you're willing to have the discussion, there is a plethora of information on how sanctions and international interventions are simply another form of imperalism and they typically lead to war or the death of many through famines or other means. But I don't think you'd be interested in having that kidn of discussion.

    Also I would not be so quick to think that no one would go to war with China over a disease they didn't create. You are a rational person so you are saying that. However we went to Iraq over WMD that weren't there and went to war with Vietnam over a false flag. Do not presume that we act in good faith or that we are a moral paragon.
    Call it imperialism if you like, I don't care for labels and connotations. The fact is if you let countries do things that affect the global community unchallenged, then they will take advantage of it.. That is historically proven over and over. Sanctions aren't meant to kill innocent citizens, but those are sometimes unavoidable side effects depending on the state of a country. However it does make governments think twice the next time they try to cover something up and not letting bad actions go unchallenged. These are apples and oranges... "self defense" is different than a natural pandemic. This isn't biological warfare, there isn't any malicious intent. No one is going to war for this, and it has never been brought up by literally anyone. I suggest you double check your own thoughts.


    You misunderstand me. I am not trying to say that you said that we should go to war with China. I am saying that the end logical conclusion of the presumptions made about China(in the posts I am responding to and in american media) is in fact war. Again refer to my previous posts about historical patterns.
    Again, these so called "historical patterns" are apple and oranges, and again, I'd say your "logical conclusions" are so far off that its not even worth responding to.

    nonono you don't get to do that. You said there are levels to shittyness and you heavily implied that all of the countries you listed are worse than the US.

    I thought Dave was joking, but I don't think you are so let me make my position clear:

    I am not a China supporter. Why the fuck would I support the Chinese government. They are not communist or even socialist. Just because I go in threads where I see misinformation being spread and I try to counter it does not make me a supporter of China. It's ok to criticize the Chinese government however it can't be on the grounds of lies or US propaganda.

    What should be done? I already answered that. Action should come from the Chinese people. If the Chinese people choose to resist, all we should do is aid them if they ask.

    Why is this unlikely? Well, historically the US does not act in good faith. We do not fight for democracy. If you think that, please let me know, we can have a discussion on why America's wars(unlike what the propaganda says) are not righteous. To build on that, the American public know very little about the Chinese people. Or the Iraqi people. or any other country the US has fought wars in. This is not exclusive to the American public, I bet the Chinese people don't know that much about us either. This makes it so that the only bits of information we get on these places are through the lens of the media. And as the great thinker said, the media is fake news.
    Those countries ARE worse than the USA. America is basically responsible for the modern world, all these things you take for granted are byproducts of America and our willingness to develop technologies and share them throughout the world and help others. Our [modern] government doesn't kill people and commit genocide to stay in power or hide and cover up facts or directly operate under clouds of secrecy. And again, I already answered this myself: the chinese people are free to control and operate their own government under their own terms, and free to resist if they feel free, in isolation. However, when their government's actions affect and spill into the international community, it is our jobs as a global community to not let it go unchecked. We have unrestricted open access to public global information, and we can't say that about China. Being uninformed for personal choice is not the same as being uninformed because our government doesn't allow this information to be spread, while having a state run media spreading lies and blaming others for our choices.

    I'm done responding to your insanity.



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    Quote Originally Posted by arunforce View Post
    I never said you said china is innocent, again you're putting words in my mouth WHILE accusing me of putting words in your mouth... You literally said I said you said "china is innocent" and said I put words in your mouth, then I tell you to back up your accusation, and then tell me to show you where you said "china is innocent." This is insanity.
    yeah i just reread the original, I misread it I thought you typed "where did you say that China is innocent?!?!?!? yo uare coming off as mentally ill." I apologize

    Quote Originally Posted by arunforce View Post
    Our [modern] government doesn't kill people and commit genocide to stay in power or hide and cover up facts or directly operate under clouds of secrecy.
    hahahahahahahahahahahahah

    yeah i think i'm done here too.

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    WAIT WHAT THE FUCK. I JUST GOT GASLIT SO FUCKING HARD
    Quote Originally Posted by arunforce View Post
    Who said anything about starting a war or imperializing them? You're putting words in my mouth because you don't have a leg to stand on. I see a common pattern among all your posts: "China is innocent and nothing should happen to them because X Y Z have had bad things happen to them because America is terrible and China is innocent!!! DEFLECT DEFLECT DEFLECT"
    YOU LITERALLY SAID I SAID CHINA IS INNOCENT.

    dude you literally almost convinced me i was going insane, this is my fucking fault for getting in an argument with a jedi
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    yikes China not apologizing, can't say I didn't see this coming...

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    Go eat the bat bigot. Your actions definitely have consequences.

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