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    BLM co-founder admits they are trained Marxists


    BLM/Antifa/Marxists punching the air rn. This is actually so fucked up, dumbasses around the world are laying down and submitting to these retards. Imagine trained marxists organizing protests and fucking your own country up. GG.

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    so you're saying because the co-founder is a Marxist the whole black lives matters movement is delegitimized

    did a black person touch your butt?





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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave84311 View Post
    so you're saying because the co-founder is a Marxist the whole black lives matters movement is delegitimized

    did a black person touch your butt?
    It's not just one.

    Who organizes the protests?
    What would a trained Marxist be trained to do?

    1984 is now.

    RIP western society if this shit continues for the years to come.

    did a black person touch your butt?
    Has nothing to do with black people????????????????????????????????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave84311 View Post
    so you're saying because the co-founder is a Marxist the whole black lives matters movement is delegitimized

    did a black person touch your butt?
    Dave is using red text. Of course Dave is trying to defend communism. He's a god damn red. If you like communism so much, go back to Asia.

    Edit: After watching the video, am I suppose to believe that Marxism is on a equal level of bad as Nazism because Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot killed a fuck ton of people? "Marxism is the name for a set of political and economic ideas. The core ideas are that the world is divided into classes, the workers and the richer capitalists who exploit the workers, there is a class conflict that should ultimately result in socialism (workers own means of production), and then communism (stateless, classless society)." Where is Marxism advocating for mass killings? I guess you can argue that Marxism argues to eat the rich that exploits workers and that's dangerous thinking? I'm not sold on this whole Marxism is the boogeyman shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    It's not just one.

    Who organizes the protests?
    What would a trained Marxist be trained to do?

    1984 is now.

    RIP western society if this shit continues for the years to come.



    Has nothing to do with black people????????????????????????????????
    are you actually retarded or is that the neanderthal in you that doesn't seem to understand that there is systemic racism? just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean it isn't there.

    you should stay out of politics if you aren't going educate yourself across the board instead of watching your alt-right youtubers





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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave84311 View Post


    are you actually retarded or is that the neanderthal in you that doesn't seem to understand that there is systemic racism? just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean it isn't there.

    you should stay out of politics if you aren't going educate yourself across the board instead of watching your alt-right youtubers
    Lmao, give me one shred of evidence proving systemic racism exists.

    Fuck that point, I simply brought up the fact that the people in charge of these movements are marxists. Why turn it into something about systemic racism when that's not even what I brought up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    Lmao, give me one shred of evidence proving systemic racism exists.

    Fuck that point, I simply brought up the fact that the people in charge of these movements are marxists. Why turn it into something about systemic racism when that's not even what I brought up?
    I imagine if you bring up BLM, systematic racism will come up because that is one of the grievances that BLM seeks to address. Shit, expect stuff about race relations, policing, slavery, the Confederacy, civil rights, etc. If someone were to bring up capitalism, expect people to speak about economics, communism, trade, colonialism, private property, minimum wage, unions, etc. Things don't exist in a vacuum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernard. View Post


    Dave is using red text. Of course Dave is trying to defend communism. He's a god damn red. If you like communism so much, go back to Asia.

    Edit: After watching the video, am I suppose to believe that Marxism is on a equal level of bad as Nazism because Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot killed a fuck ton of people? "Marxism is the name for a set of political and economic ideas. The core ideas are that the world is divided into classes, the workers and the richer capitalists who exploit the workers, there is a class conflict that should ultimately result in socialism (workers own means of production), and then communism (stateless, classless society)." Where is Marxism advocating for mass killings? I guess you can argue that Marxism argues to eat the rich that exploits workers and that's dangerous thinking? I'm not sold on this whole Marxism is the boogeyman shit.
    Marxism always fails.

    I guess you can argue that Marxism argues to eat the rich that exploits workers and that's dangerous thinking
    Marxism sounds good on paper until you go back and look at history and all the shit that is going on right now. The problem with humans is that we don't learn from our mistakes, I'm sure all the people who died from communists/socialists regimes would beg to differ with you that Marxism isn't on the same level as everything you mentioned.

    Socialism in itself is a retarded concept.

    The business owner takes the risk of investing money into equipment, land, and all other costs. If the business succeeds, they get money, if it fails, they lose their money.. Yet, workers should own means of production for simply assembling and taking no risks? LOL.

    How many business owners have lost millions and billions from the risks they took to make money? Workers may lose jobs, but they can easily find new ones. This idea that rich people are evil for being smart and making their own money and profiting from the right choices is baffling. Workers get paid for their time, it's the social contract we all agreed on when we decided to take up a job or offer someone a job. Don't like the compensation? Don't take the job. Simple.

    Automation would spank socialist ideals right out of the window.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernard. View Post


    I imagine if you bring up BLM, systematic racism will come up because that is one of the grievances that BLM seeks to address. Shit, expect stuff about race relations, policing, slavery, the Confederacy, civil rights, etc. If someone were to bring up capitalism, expect people to speak about economics, communism, trade, colonialism, private property, minimum wage, unions, etc. Things don't exist in a vacuum.
    In context yes. If you scrolled up and read what I posted, it has nothing to do with me talking about systemic racism. I pointed out that there are "Trained marxists" organizing these events. Conversations work in a linear manner, that's like me bringing up squares when you're talking about triangles when we haven't gotten to talking about squares yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    I'm sure all the people who died from communists/socialists regimes would beg to differ with you that Marxism isn't on the same level as everything you mentioned.

    The business owner takes the risk of investing money into equipment, land, and all other costs. If the business succeeds, they get money, if it fails, they lose their money.. Yet, workers should own means of production for simply assembling and taking no risks? LOL.
    1st part: I mean my father is very pro-Communist party in that he sees them as a necessary evil and that their actions are okay if it improves the lives of the general populace. I had this conversation with my father maybe 2 weeks ago? My grandparents and what not were broke ass Chinese farmers. He's basically like, people were leaving China and coming to America cause it was undoubtedly better here, but in recent decades, the Communist Party has basically revamped China into an economic powerhouse and the standard of living in China has skyrocketed for the most part. Thus, unsurprisingly, a lot of Chinese citizens support their government.

    Even in taking World History, you learn that Russia was broke AF and then WW2 happened and they just sent people to the front line with minimal arms cause Russia was just that broke. Then communism happened. Millions upon millions die. USSR. USSR breaks apart. Now Russia is a major super power. Was it worth? Ask the Russians.

    Majority of Russians and Chinese support their government and are willing to overlook the horrors that their countries commit because their own standards of living has improved under "communist" rule. For the record, I'm not advocating for communism but don't take me for a staunch supporter of unfettered capitalism as well. And I also don't have numbers to prove that most of them support their government, I'm just under the general impression that they do.

    2nd part: The whole business risk thing. Yes individuals take on risk when they start businesses. I'm just under the impression that under socialism (workers own means of production), risk is split among the collective (the workers). You say that they're just assembling stuff, but I'm assuming under socialism, the workers' collective would be running the business instead of 1 or a few individuals. Like to me it's the difference between a company being run by private individuals and a company being run by its workers' union. I see nothing wrong with either system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    Lmao, give me one shred of evidence proving systemic racism exists.

    Fuck that point, I simply brought up the fact that the people in charge of these movements are marxists. Why turn it into something about systemic racism when that's not even what I brought up?
    Go do your research, I'm not going to teach you about something that there is countless resources for. In short, if a man is in a position of power and racist it will impact his decisions over people. America was founded on slavery and racism. Jim Crow was still a part of life until 1965. Do you think racism disappeared?

    The President of the United States is vying to become the second President of the Confederacy. "The unhinged left-wing mob is trying to vandalize OUR history, desecrate OUR monuments, OUR beautiful monuments, tear down OUR statues"

    Second question was answered by Bernard, nigga you are supposed to be a computer science major and you can't logic?





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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernard. View Post


    1st part: I mean my father is very pro-Communist party in that he sees them as a necessary evil and that their actions are okay if it improves the lives of the general populace. I had this conversation with my father maybe 2 weeks ago? My grandparents and what not were broke ass Chinese farmers. He's basically like, people were leaving China and coming to America cause it was undoubtedly better here, but in recent decades, the Communist Party has basically revamped China into an economic powerhouse and the standard of living in China has skyrocketed for the most part. Thus, unsurprisingly, a lot of Chinese citizens support their government.

    Even in taking World History, you learn that Russia was broke AF and then WW2 happened and they just sent people to the front line with minimal arms cause Russia was just that broke. Then communism happened. Millions upon millions die. USSR. USSR breaks apart. Now Russia is a major super power. Was it worth? Ask the Russians.

    2nd part: The whole business risk thing. Yes individuals take on risk when they start businesses. I'm just under the impression that under socialism (workers own means of production), risk is split among the collective (the workers). You say that they're just assembling stuff, but I'm assuming under socialism, the workers' collective would be running the business instead of 1 or a few individuals. Like to me it's the difference between a company being run by private individuals and a company being run by its workers' union. I see nothing wrong with either system.
    Communist Party has basically revamped China into an economic powerhouse
    it was undoubtedly better here, but in recent decades, the Communist Party has basically revamped China into an economic powerhouse and the standard of living in China has skyrocketed for the most part. Thus, unsurprisingly, a lot of Chinese citizens support their government.
    They've "revamped" by force. Chinese citizens have a fake curtain of "freedom of speech" yet there's no freedom of consequences. You can be picked up and probably be executed by the government for speaking out against them. Quality of life may improve for middle-class Chinese families, yet the Muslims in the detention camps who are being brainwashed by the same communist government are being "cleansed". Asking the chinese or russians if communism was worth it is moot imo.

    2nd part: The whole business risk thing. Yes individuals take on risk when they start businesses. I'm just under the impression that under socialism (workers own means of production), risk is split among the collective (the workers). You say that they're just assembling stuff, but I'm assuming under socialism, the workers' collective would be running the business instead of 1 or a few individuals. Like to me it's the difference between a company being run by private individuals and a company being run by its workers' union. I see nothing wrong with either system.
    We already have that. A lot of companies have workers unions, we live in a beautiful society where we can choose if we want to work for a company that is unionized or a company that isn't.

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    Go do your research, I'm not going to teach you about something that there is countless resources for. In short, if a man is in a position of power and racist it will impact his decisions over people. America was founded on slavery and racism. Jim Crow was still a part of life until 1965. Do you think racism disappeared?

    The President of the United States is vying to become the second President of the Confederacy. "The unhinged left-wing mob is trying to vandalize OUR history, desecrate OUR monuments, OUR beautiful monuments, tear down OUR statues"

    Second question was answered by Bernard, nigga you are supposed to be a computer science major and you can't logic?
    Go do your research, I'm not going to teach you about something that there is countless resources for. In short, if a man is in a position of power and racist it will impact his decisions over people. America was founded on slavery and racism. Jim Crow was still a part of life until 1965. Do you think racism disappeared?
    I have done my research, I've yet to find systemic racism embedded in western society. If Jim Crow existed today, that'd be an example of systemic racism, but it was eradicated. Also, I personally don't believe Trump is a racist. What I do think brings out the racists or turns people towards racism is extremists on both sides.

    The President of the United States is vying to become the second President of the Confederacy. "The unhinged left-wing mob is trying to vandalize OUR history, desecrate OUR monuments, OUR beautiful monuments, tear down OUR statues"
    If you tried to tear down statues in Russia, China or India and their presidents/PM said the same thing, would you refer to them in an equivalent manner? Tearing down statues does nothing but entice people who view it in a similar way to burning books. I could give less of a shit about what the statues represent, but tearing down history when it's a point of reference for humanity is something I'm not for. It automatically polarizes me and a majority of people from sharing a perspective or supporting a cause. Deface the statues, I could care less, but removing or picking out history is extremely stupid. Setting a precedent like that... Yeah well, we know what happened the last time history started being destroyed.

    Second question was answered by Bernard, nigga you are supposed to be a computer science major and you can't logic?
    Dude. I talked about Marxists, systemic racism wasn't an argument, what I simply said was that I don't want to talk about it because it has nothing to do with BLM co-founders being Marxists. I'm not mixing their viewpoints on marxism with their viewpoints on racism. They are two separate points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    Quality of life may improve for middle-class Chinese families, yet the Muslims in the detention camps who are being brainwashed by the same communist government are being "cleansed".

    I have done my research, I've yet to find systemic racism embedded in western society. If Jim Crow existed today, that'd be an example of systemic racism, but it was eradicated.

    If you tried to tear down statues in Russia, China or India and their presidents/PM said the same thing, would you refer to them in an equivalent manner? Tearing down statues does nothing but entice people who view it in a similar way to burning books. I could give less of a shit about what the statues represent, but tearing down history when it's a point of reference for humanity is something I'm not for. It automatically polarizes me and a majority of people from sharing a perspective or supporting a cause. Deface the statues, I could care less, but removing or picking out history is extremely stupid. Setting a precedent like that... Yeah well, we know what happened the last time history started being destroyed.

    I talked about Marxists, systemic racism wasn't an argument, what I simply said was that I don't want to talk about it because it has nothing to do with BLM co-founders being Marxists. I'm not mixing their viewpoints on marxism with their viewpoints on racism. They are two separate points.
    First off: I like the way you quote things and break down sentences so imma copy that format.

    Quality of life may improve for middle-class Chinese families, yet the Muslims in the detention camps who are being brainwashed by the same communist government are being "cleansed".
    I remember bringing this up with my dad and his argument was along the lines of: 1) America is no better, we jail a fuck ton of people too 2) These detention camps are for people suspected of terrorism (haha right) like Guantanamo Bay is in the US 3) America likes to point this out because it's good American propaganda (unite on an issue against a common enemy) 4) America doesn't actually care about human rights unless it benefits them.
    Basically Americans don't actually care they're just acting like they do. Kinda like virtue signaling in a way.
    FYI, my father left China when he was like 17 or 18. Believes that the Chinese has bought into Chinese propaganda just as Americans have bought into American propaganda.

    I have done my research, I've yet to find systemic racism embedded in western society. If Jim Crow existed today, that'd be an example of systemic racism, but it was eradicated.
    Jim Crow was eradicated, but sadly it has had everlasting effects. African Americans who lived under segregation are still alive to this very day. It's argued that this...disenfranchisement? (hope that's the right word here) is a major contributing factor to the current situation. Less generational wealth among African Americans leads to higher rates of poverty (I'm assuming) which leads to things like higher crime rates, less education, lower salaries, less opportunity overall, etc. etc. Thus, systematic racism. It's not a disparate treatment thing, it's a disparate impact thing so to say. Oh and then there's the point that African Americans and White Americans use marijuana at the same rates yet African Americans are jailed more often for it.

    If you tried to tear down statues in Russia, China or India and their presidents/PM said the same thing, would you refer to them in an equivalent manner? Tearing down statues does nothing but entice people who view it in a similar way to burning books. I could give less of a shit about what the statues represent, but tearing down history when it's a point of reference for humanity is something I'm not for. It automatically polarizes me and a majority of people from sharing a perspective or supporting a cause. Deface the statues, I could care less, but removing or picking out history is extremely stupid. Setting a precedent like that... Yeah well, we know what happened the last time history started being destroyed.
    Didn't the French tear down statues during the French Revolution? Didn't the Germans take down anything that even slightly references Hitler or the Nazis? Didn't we topple the statue of Saddam Hussein after we ousted him from power? I'd argue that the tearing down of these statues is historic if not MORE historic than erecting them in the first place. Makes you think of all the chain of events that have led up to the people wanting to tear down the statues. As for like future generations who won't see the statue? I guarantee you they're learning history from the internet, not statues. I do think it would be nice to have a plaque where the statue use to be tho. Like a "A statue of Robert E. Lee, an American Confederate general, was erected in 1924 (Civil War ended in 1865 btw) but after a series of protests, in 2020, the city decided to tear down the statue believing that it was a symbol of hatred." I have no issue with tearing down Confederate monuments.

    I talked about Marxists, systemic racism wasn't an argument, what I simply said was that I don't want to talk about it because it has nothing to do with BLM co-founders being Marxists. I'm not mixing their viewpoints on marxism with their viewpoints on racism. They are two separate points.
    YOU may not be mixing the viewpoints on Marxism with racism, but I definitely think the video you linked is. Afaik, when people donate to BLM, the money doesn't go straight into the pockets of the founders. If the video was simply a call out that a co-founder was a Marxist, then fine, argue about Marxism. But the video specifically tied it to donations going to BLM, an organization centered around race issues, which is where I'm like okay it's now also about race then.
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    Shadow the statues of confederate leaders where not erected a long time ago, 80%+ of statues where erected in either early 1900s jim crow or in the 60s, those aren't just statues its more of a white mans way of glorifying people while still oppressing a race




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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    I have done my research, I've yet to find systemic racism embedded in western society. If Jim Crow existed today, that'd be an example of systemic racism, but it was eradicated. Also, I personally don't believe Trump is a racist. What I do think brings out the racists or turns people towards racism is extremists on both sides.

    If you tried to tear down statues in Russia, China or India and their presidents/PM said the same thing, would you refer to them in an equivalent manner? Tearing down statues does nothing but entice people who view it in a similar way to burning books. I could give less of a shit about what the statues represent, but tearing down history when it's a point of reference for humanity is something I'm not for. It automatically polarizes me and a majority of people from sharing a perspective or supporting a cause. Deface the statues, I could care less, but removing or picking out history is extremely stupid. Setting a precedent like that... Yeah well, we know what happened the last time history started being destroyed.
    It is clear by what you have said have not done your research.

    Do Russia, China or India have statues of hate?





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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    I have done my research, I've yet to find systemic racism embedded in western society. If Jim Crow existed today, that'd be an example of systemic racism, but it was eradicated.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortgage_discrimination
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_steering
    https://www.wealthsimple.com/en-us/m...rrowing-gap-us

    Wealth is a generational thing, when someone gets fucked over early on, the disparity grows as years pass. Couple that with modern hidden systemic racism, and the disparity widens. Outside of circumstantial events, most people aren't able to escape the poverty barrier because they had bigger problems than figuring out how to get an A on the upcoming math exam.

    Think of it like compound interest:
    - A white family moved to America in the 1930s and had 10k stuck in the bank for 90 years @ 3.875 =
    Wealth: $325,208.44

    - A black family living in America was able to open up a bank account after legal discrimination ended in the 1950s and had 10k stuck in the bank for 60 years @ 3.575 (predatory interest) =
    Wealth: $85,148.46

    If you don't think that's fucked up, there's something wrong with you.



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