Results 1 to 12 of 12
  1. #1
    Samarchik's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2018
    Gender
    male
    Posts
    36
    Reputation
    6
    Thanks
    0

    Question SCAMMER TheFlawLess

    Hello there! There was a problem with the seller @TheFlawLess. The seller's greed knows no bounds. We agreed with the seller to exchange$ 570 with PAYPAL for$450 BTC. (as in my opinion, a large Commission that will cover all unexpected expenses). After transferring money to the seller via paypal ($570)? the money goes into the hold for 24 hours. In fact, the money is already with the seller! After 24 hours, the seller writes to me that bitcoin has fallen in price by 6.75% and shows a chart where it provides the lowest point of decline, no matter that bitcoin has already grown. I said that this is incorrect information! So the seller wanted to break our agreement. I first confirmed that bitcoin fell and probably this can somehow affect the amount, but then I thought and realized that I transferred the amount of $ 580 yesterday and in General I should not be concerned at all with what is happening in the market with bitcoin. Since this was not discussed! The seller transferred me$ 445 instead of$450. So I want him to transfer$5. The point is not$ 5, but the seller's impudence. You must not violate the agreed contract.

    https://ibb.co/VMfxcG9
    https://ibb.co/VDPQHbP
    https://ibb.co/HNVKc0H
    https://ibb.co/f07tyGd
    https://ibb.co/fQH8FbY
    https://ibb.co/vxZKJW2
    https://ibb.co/yk6fnTV
    https://ibb.co/WBHqv11
    https://ibb.co/Qm43cZQ
    https://ibb.co/VJ3LWvd
    https://ibb.co/wd289mT
    https://ibb.co/fNjq8Qk
    https://ibb.co/x3WGqBL
    https://ibb.co/gyTrSff
    https://ibb.co/3W1bWch

  2. #2
    Dagger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Gender
    male
    Location
    Switzerland
    Posts
    2,186
    Reputation
    878
    Thanks
    577
    @Samarchik

    Kindly provide us with screenshots of your conversation with @TheFlawLess on IM. You both mention a conversation where you both agreed on 445$ because of how BTC fluctuates, instead of the original 450$
     
    MPGH History
    Member
    05/04/2015
    Premium
    27/09/2017
    Cock Sucker
    10/01/2018 - 23/08/2018
    Premium Seller
    10/03/2018
    News Force
    14/05/2018 - idfk
    Publicist - Translator
    01/09/2018 - idfk
    Publicist - Wiki Management
    30/10/2019 - oof
    Middleman
    05/09/2020

  3. #3
    Samarchik's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2018
    Gender
    male
    Posts
    36
    Reputation
    6
    Thanks
    0
    @Rat Filth Slave
    https://ibb.co/3W1bWch
    https://ibb.co/gyTrSff
    First we agreed on$ 450, then I agreed to$445 without thinking. But since my transfer does not depend on BTC fluctuations at all, I realized that the seller just wants to deceive me. At this point, the seller has already transferred me 445$
    Last edited by Samarchik; 3 Weeks Ago at 10:30 AM.

  4. #4
    Dagger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Gender
    male
    Location
    Switzerland
    Posts
    2,186
    Reputation
    878
    Thanks
    577
    @TheFlawLess

    I'd like to hear your side, as you seem to agree with the 450$ trade. Knowingly that BTC can fluctuate. (Regardless if it's in its nature or not.)

    @Samarchik Provide me with your IM chat logs as well. The whole conversation between you both before moving off-platform.
    Last edited by Dagger; 3 Weeks Ago at 10:55 AM.
     
    MPGH History
    Member
    05/04/2015
    Premium
    27/09/2017
    Cock Sucker
    10/01/2018 - 23/08/2018
    Premium Seller
    10/03/2018
    News Force
    14/05/2018 - idfk
    Publicist - Translator
    01/09/2018 - idfk
    Publicist - Wiki Management
    30/10/2019 - oof
    Middleman
    05/09/2020

  5. #5
    Samarchik's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2018
    Gender
    male
    Posts
    36
    Reputation
    6
    Thanks
    0

  6. #6
    Dagger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Gender
    male
    Location
    Switzerland
    Posts
    2,186
    Reputation
    878
    Thanks
    577
    @TheFlawLess

    You have 24 hours to provide OP (@Samarchik) with the missing 5$ BTC.

    As he does not have any power or control over how the BTC prices can change/fluctuate over time, he is to be given the full agreed amount of BTC.
     
    MPGH History
    Member
    05/04/2015
    Premium
    27/09/2017
    Cock Sucker
    10/01/2018 - 23/08/2018
    Premium Seller
    10/03/2018
    News Force
    14/05/2018 - idfk
    Publicist - Translator
    01/09/2018 - idfk
    Publicist - Wiki Management
    30/10/2019 - oof
    Middleman
    05/09/2020

  7. #7
    TheFlawLess's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Gender
    male
    Location
    6969
    Posts
    1,004
    Reputation
    374
    Thanks
    210
    My Mood
    Cheerful
    @Rat Filth Slave
    Firstly let me start with myself. I've been selling BTC here for 3.5+ years, and I know how to make deals. I have done thousands of exchanges for MPGH BTC buyers, including high repped MODS.
    Secondly, I do INSTANT exchanges. Now here comes the part, he sent the PP $$$ as agreed - but all the funds went on a 24 hours hold. That means, I didn't actually receive the money as it went on hold and not in the PP available balance. Also my rate isn't fixed, my thread states that clearly. And one of the main reason for that is the fluctuating nature of BTC. So when I had the funds cleared into my balance (after 24 hours), the BTC price has had a noticeable drop. The deal was made for $450 BTC at the time BTC didn't drop. Waiting for 24 hours was the issue, and that was from his side, not mine. I talked him about the matter and he didn't agree. Since this 24 hold issue wasn't from my side, I was upset that why should I cover the drop when the 24 hours hold was from HIS side? I discussed the drop with him, and then he AGREED me to send $445. Since he agreed, I sent him $445. Just after I sent him $445 as mutually agreed, he said he wants $450. WTF??????

    We mutually agreed on $445 to be sent to him. Later he comes up with nonsense that he wants $450, when he agreed himself for $445 after we discussed the drop. You can't just agree, and when the deal is completed you want $5 more? Where is the justice in there?
    Here's the supporting evidence that he AGREED for $445 to be sent to him:
    https://prnt.sc/uspu3q

    - - - Updated - - -
    @Rat Filth Slave
    Also, have a look at what he states:
    "In fact, the money is already with the seller! After 24 hours, the seller writes to me that bitcoin has fallen in price by 6.75% and shows a chart where it provides the lowest point of decline, no matter that bitcoin has already grown."
    Firstly, you don't have the money (accessible) if PayPal notices something strange with the payment and puts in on hold.
    Secondly, "the seller writes to me that bitcoin has fallen in price by 6.75%". WOW, 6.75 "%". I never said it was 6.75 %, stop lying. Have a look:
    https://prnt.sc/uspvxk
    This guy is lying, I calculated 1.5% drop and and it gave $6.75 answer. But I still didn't deduct $6.75, but $5.

    I have done $100Ks of deals here, not that $5 matters by any means. I like how he is trying to defame me here, provided he himself agrees to something and when it's done, he suddenly disagrees.

    Final thought: If you agree to something in the end, you can't just disagree after it's dealt with.
    Last edited by TheFlawLess; 2 Weeks Ago at 08:50 PM.

  8. #8
    Samarchik's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2018
    Gender
    male
    Posts
    36
    Reputation
    6
    Thanks
    0
    I'm not trying to defame anyone! All I'm trying to tell you is that you can't behave like this in a deal! Try to get out of it and talk about third conditions that can not affect the transaction in any way. You need to be a professional in your field! And you are trying to interpret the terms of the transaction after it is made, especially since these terms should not affect the transaction in any way. It's like you would say that today is bad weather and I will transfer you 5% less because it is raining. You had no right to change the terms of the transaction!
    Yes and I on this forum about 2 years.
    Last edited by Samarchik; 2 Weeks Ago at 02:13 AM.

  9. #9
    Dagger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Gender
    male
    Location
    Switzerland
    Posts
    2,186
    Reputation
    878
    Thanks
    577
    @TheFlawLess After discussing and thinking about this, I concluded the following:

    @Samarchik It seems like you agreed to the 445$ but in afterthought said: "No, I want 450$". You ORIGINALLY wanted to trade for 450$ worth of BTC, but due to how BTC goes up and down, and because you could not instantly trade at that time because of the 24 hour hold, the seller is not obligated to give you the "missing" 5$. Plus, you switched from the original to the now disputed 445$. You can't opt-in a deal, just to change your mind later. That's not how business is supposed to be/is done.

    You guys also agreed on an amount of $ to be exchanged into BTC, at its current rate. If the hold was 24 hours, and the price of BTC changed X within those 24 hours, the seller is obligated to only exchange the agreed amount of $ into the "after 24 hour state" of BTC. (1.5% in this case)

    Thus, no scam has occurred.

    @RespectNF
    @Hero


    Can be closed.
     
    MPGH History
    Member
    05/04/2015
    Premium
    27/09/2017
    Cock Sucker
    10/01/2018 - 23/08/2018
    Premium Seller
    10/03/2018
    News Force
    14/05/2018 - idfk
    Publicist - Translator
    01/09/2018 - idfk
    Publicist - Wiki Management
    30/10/2019 - oof
    Middleman
    05/09/2020

  10. The Following User Says Thank You to Dagger For This Useful Post:

    TheFlawLess (2 Weeks Ago)

  11. #10
    Samarchik's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2018
    Gender
    male
    Posts
    36
    Reputation
    6
    Thanks
    0
    @Rat Filth Slave
    I thought about it and realized that the fall of BTC can not play any role. I buy $ 450 worth of BTC, but I don't buy a lot of BTC. Since the seller agreed to the delay and did not discuss additional terms, he simply violated the terms of the transaction first. Accordingly I should not worry about a drop in BTC in any case
    Last edited by Samarchik; 2 Weeks Ago at 08:18 AM.

  12. #11
    TheFlawLess's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Gender
    male
    Location
    6969
    Posts
    1,004
    Reputation
    374
    Thanks
    210
    My Mood
    Cheerful
    @Rat Filth Slave
    Thank you for clearing this up, since if the payment didn't go on hold he would have received $450. 24 hours delay was from his side, and I should not be held responsible for the possible drop which happens in/after 24 hours. Plus, we discussed and agreed mutually on $445. Which makes this report invalid.
    Thank you!

  13. The Following User Says Thank You to TheFlawLess For This Useful Post:

    Dagger (2 Weeks Ago)

  14. #12
    RespectNF's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2015
    Gender
    male
    Location
    At the top
    Posts
    7,891
    Reputation
    752
    Thanks
    1,705
    My Mood
    Angry
    Buyer @Samarchik should not have to care about the BTC exchange rate whatsoever. You guys agreed on plain USD value,not bitcoin amount. If you agreed on precise btc amount then this would make sense.

    Thread will be closed as @Samarchik agreed on 5$ less and now is trying to change his mind, but what happened here from what i can see is just greed from the seller.



  15. The Following User Says Thank You to RespectNF For This Useful Post:

    Samarchik (2 Weeks Ago)

Similar Threads

  1. [SCAMMER] Jorisz scammer
    By SultanYasin in forum Scammer Grave
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 07-24-2019, 05:37 AM
  2. [SCAMMER] Same SCAMMER DYLAN MILES Scamming w Multiple MPGH Usernames
    By Horses in forum Scammer Grave
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 07-14-2019, 11:33 AM
  3. [SCAMMER] User "psihoto4nyu " is a scammer!
    By Lilcutivert in forum Scammer Grave
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 07-14-2019, 10:47 AM
  4. [SCAMMER] Horizon Spotify Scammer
    By notorious.fap in forum Scammer Grave
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 07-14-2019, 05:09 AM
  5. [SCAMMER] Subway Scammer Channeling for $160 Beware!
    By Horses in forum Scammer Grave
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 07-12-2019, 11:19 PM