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    think about free universal healthcare and why? Not trying to start a debate, just curious about peoples beliefs and ideas
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    It is a good thing to have, pretty much ask anyone that comes from a country that has it.
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    It's cool, I enjoy it. I wish eye and dental were covered as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    I wish eye and dental were covered as well.
    Honestly, I don't know why or who decided these weren't essential to healthcare, makes no sense to me why they're excluded in Canada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flengo View Post


    Honestly, I don't know why or who decided these weren't essential to healthcare, makes no sense to me why they're excluded in Canada.
    I haven't had eye/dental coverage in almost 4 years. I have to pay my optician $130 and my dentist $95 per visit. I also gotta pay my dentist an extra $100 for xrays and $70 per cavity filled. Shit gets crazy expensive if you develop problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyo View Post
    think about free universal healthcare and why? Not trying to start a debate, just curious about peoples beliefs and ideas
    I'm all for it... A healthy citizen is a better citizen. As someone who knows what its like to go years without going to the doctor cause I didn't have health insurance or couldn't afford it its a feeling no one should have to endure. IF you are against it (like some Americans) you'd be hard pressed to find another developed country outside of the US where you could go and not receive some form of basic healthcare that doesn't bankrupt you. People argue about quality and to that I say "you can't afford the best healthcare quality in the US now"

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    I haven't had eye/dental coverage in almost 4 years. I have to pay my optician $130 and my dentist $95 per visit. I also gotta pay my dentist an extra $100 for xrays and $70 per cavity filled. Shit gets crazy expensive if you develop problems.
    which means you can't go as often because you know how much its going to cost..which turns into well when you do go you now have to get more done because you haven't gone in a while...its cyclical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuxPersona View Post
    which means you can't go as often because you know how much its going to cost..which turns into well when you do go you now have to get more done because you haven't gone in a while...its cyclical.
    that's why I'm happy to not have the biggest costs in my country - still need to go more often tho lol

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    It's great.

    The only thing that sucks is waiting times.

    When I was going to get a deviated septum repaired, the waiting time was 8-10 months for surgery. MRIs among other services have long waiting-times as well.

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    Universal healthcare is a must. Access to health should be a right, not by means of ability to pay.
    In many simulations, it has been proven that universal healthcare and/or universal pharmacare can save billions of dollars annually.
    It is possible for a country to have a public and private system to co-exist with a national health insurance program (universal healthcare).

    In the case where my fellow Canadian friends are complaining about long wait times, it is completely true.
    This can be due to many factors that I wouldn't say is purely because of our universal healthcare system (Canada Health Act 1984).
    The Canada Health Act has 5 principles of Portability, Accessibility, Public Administration, Universality, and Comprehensiveness (not in the correct order).
    In the case of hospitals here, they are privately owned, but publicly administered. The provincial government determines our health insurance plans if they want to have the universal healthcare funding from the federal government. If the provincial government wishes to not have access to universal healthcare, they are allowed to do so as long as they don't receive the federal funding. (It is rather unlikely they will do that because it is a lot of funding).
    We are understaffed (there aren't as many physicians per capita), there aren't enough patient beds, there aren't enough equipment, etc.
    The iron triangle of access, quality, and cost explains why there are longer wait times here in Canada. You cannot simultaneously improve all at the same time.
    This is why there are imposed wait times tracking now in hospitals and other healthcare facilities with QI initiatives to combat long wait times.
    Wait times in Ontario is at least better than it was before. I cannot say about the rest of Canada.

    I am all for a universal healthcare program. However, I strongly believe that if there is a public & private system (ex. Australia), then it would provide more opportunities to deliver quality of care for health consumers. It is possible for wait times to be combatted as long as resources from one system is not withdrawn to another. There must be payment incentives for physicians and other key health providers to stay in one system, so that resources from both sides are adequate for those who wish to access either the public system, or private system.

    Also... universal healthcare is not free healthcare. Here in Canada, it is two-tiered. 70% is funded publicly while 30% is from private.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    It's great.

    The only thing that sucks is waiting times.

    When I was going to get a deviated septum repaired, the waiting time was 8-10 months for surgery. MRIs among other services have long waiting-times as well.
    Exactly this.
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    Free healthcare means there is enough development and the existing economy can sustain the cost of medicine. Of course this is wonderful news but it's hard to run the entire healthcare system within a limited number of hospitals/emergencies available within a country. People will have to face insane waiting times just to get a stich.

    Of course this can be fixed by having more and more hospitals and locations where people can be treated. At the same time, while you cover X sqft with a hospital, that same area can have maybe a mall and bring more money in for the government which can sustain healthcare (doctors need to be paid substantially more in order to be satisfied with the overwhelming work they are doing).

    Population might be happier, feel safer, they don't have to think about how much they have to save in order to afford Y intervention which ultimately relieves stress.

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    The argument for universal healthcare is so strong that I doubt it'll be a conversation in the next decade or so. As the medical world advances so will technology and forms of care, and with that the wait times for care will reduce.

    It's never perfect though, and like above I had a situation where I had to wait nearly 2 years for an appointment with a specialist just to schedule a surgery (east coast is severely lacking in doctors), and when I finally neared the date for the surgery I wasn't able to attend because of a job I had just picked up and didn't want to immediately ask for time off. Still haven't rescheduled
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post


    I haven't had eye/dental coverage in almost 4 years. I have to pay my optician $130 and my dentist $95 per visit. I also gotta pay my dentist an extra $100 for xrays and $70 per cavity filled. Shit gets crazy expensive if you develop problems.
    $70 cavity filling = "crazy expensive"

    I can see your universal healthcare privilege showing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by arunforce View Post


    $70 cavity filling = "crazy expensive"

    I can see your universal healthcare privilege showing.
    americans are fucking crazy


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