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    KYLE NOT GUILTY

    What did i fucking tell u @Dave84311 boy was gonna walk and he did!!
    Right or left that was self defense! god bless his family




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    Unsurprising. Though I will say I'm surprised the jury took a couple of days to reach a verdict. For a moment, I thought they were actually going to come back with a guilty verdict since it seemed pretty case closed after all the testimony and evidence. My friends asked me for my thoughts earlier so I'll just copy and paste here:

    NGL, I would have voted not guilty too. I only saw Kyle's testimony/cross-examination though and the prosecution made me cringe. Some solid points, but also a lot of grasping for straws. Seems like a case of self defense to me. If you try to make verbal threats, lunge at someone, try to take their gun, and get shot, you dun played yourself. But the subsequent shootings, you can argue that those who chased and attacked him thought he was an active shooter and they were just trying to stop him. Personally I wouldn't try to take on an active shooter with a skateboard, but to each their own. And then there was Grosskreutz who approached him with a handgun and then said in court that Kyle didn't shoot him until he himself pointed his gun at Kyle. It was basically case closed at that point. If he approached Kyle with his gun in hand but hands were always raised and was shot anyways, would be a different case. The last two dudes who got shot did nothing wrong because you can argue that it is morally right to attack someone who you believe is actively shooting people, but rip them.

    They dismissed the "Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18" charge on a technicality, but I definitely think he should definitely lose his right to own/carry a gun until he takes like a bunch of firearms courses and what not. Mans didn't even know what the difference was between hollow point and FMJ bullets and the fact that he was blasting around FMJ rounds I feel is arguably endangering the public.
    One of my friends made this argument and I'm sharing it and my counterpoint since I know a lot of people might hold and make the same argument:

    "If u go somewhere and put yourself into a situation to defend yourself then idk if I would call that self defense
    He went to a highly tense situation openly walking around with a gun
    U don't think people would see that as a threat?"
    Note that Wisconsin is an open carry state where you can open carry long guns. I live in a non-open carry state so yes its easier to assume someone randomly running around with a long gun is super weird and they must be a shooter, but in an open carry state, that's just a normal day. Not to mention that even if you do put yourself in a dangerous situation (like a dumbass), you don't lose the right to defend yourself.


    Also, I think the idea of picking up arms and putting my life on the line to defend some stranger's property is just plain stupid. In this case, there seemed to be a lot of idiots being irresponsible with guns from Joshua Ziminski firing a random shot into the air for no fucking reason or with Kyle Rittenhouse having FMJ rounds in his AR and not even knowing what the difference is between FMJ and HP rounds. Glad I'm not surrounded by these LARPing idiots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernard View Post
    Unsurprising. Though I will say I'm surprised the jury took a couple of days to reach a verdict. For a moment, I thought they were actually going to come back with a guilty verdict since it seemed pretty case closed after all the testimony and evidence. My friends asked me for my thoughts earlier so I'll just copy and paste here:



    One of my friends made this argument and I'm sharing it and my counterpoint since I know a lot of people might hold and make the same argument:



    Note that Wisconsin is an open carry state where you can open carry long guns. I live in a non-open carry state so yes its easier to assume someone randomly running around with a long gun is super weird and they must be a shooter, but in an open carry state, that's just a normal day. Not to mention that even if you do put yourself in a dangerous situation (like a dumbass), you don't lose the right to defend yourself.


    Also, I think the idea of picking up arms and putting my life on the line to defend some stranger's property is just plain stupid. In this case, there seemed to be a lot of idiots being irresponsible with guns from Joshua Ziminski firing a random shot into the air for no fucking reason or with Kyle Rittenhouse having FMJ rounds in his AR and not even knowing what the difference is between FMJ and HP rounds. Glad I'm not surrounded by these LARPing idiots.
    Just wanted to say that your opinion is very spot on with how I feel about this case. The boy defended himself, but shouldn't minors not be allowed to open carry in the US (I am unsure about the states). Also, he travelled from one state to another I believe.

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    tbh it sounded like self defense from what i read on twitter

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    yeah it was clear self defense

    the law was clearly followed, and the correct conclusion was made
    prosecution definitely helped kyle instead of harm, lol... all their witnesses made the states case look really bad imo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernard View Post
    Also, I think the idea of picking up arms and putting my life on the line to defend some stranger's property is just plain stupid.
    Maybe... or maybe I just really really care about protecting businesses from potential damage and have came to the conclusion after witnessing Kyle's "heroic" behavior as expressed by right wing media, that I too should attend protests with the aim to protect businesses and my community. Considering majority of the domestic terrorism in this country is white, right winged, Christians, I personally feel an obligation to go to any and all right winged protests, rallies, in my state with my AR which I unlike Kyle legally own and can legally possess, in order to protect the people of my community from those potential domestic terrorists.

    This is quite the precedent that's been set in kenosha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dab View Post
    Maybe... or maybe I just really really care about protecting businesses from potential damage and have came to the conclusion after witnessing Kyle's "heroic" behavior as expressed by right wing media, that I too should attend protests with the aim to protect businesses and my community. Considering majority of the domestic terrorism in this country is white, right winged, Christians, I personally feel an obligation to go to any and all right winged protests, rallies, in my state with my AR which I unlike Kyle legally own and can legally possess, in order to protect the people of my community from those potential domestic terrorists.

    This is quite the precedent that's been set in kenosha.
    I know you're super left and will take any chance you can to demonize the opposing party, but I'd really try to look into the facts of the case about Kyle's gun & the "majority of the domestic terrorism". While just barely scratching the surface, yes your claims do seem valid... But if you look more into it, Kyle's gun charges were dropped because the DA, judge, and defense all agreed he could legally process a firearm in the state of Wisconsin that night and it was not brought over state lines.
    Also, when it comes to the domestic terrorism argument... Really hard to determine the real numbers when it's a state by state reporting process and they have different definitions of "domestic terrorism" or do not charge under "domestic terrorism".

    To prove this, let's look at the Seattle Washington's(NEARLY THE SAME RIOTING/PROTESTING ENVIRONMENTS YOU SEE IN PORTLAND) domestic terrorist count in 2020 per 100K people: 1. 1 domestic terrorist case per 100K in 2020.

    How many did Portland Oregon have per 100k people? 78. 78 domestic terrorist cases per 100K in 2020 with nearly the same environment as Washington.

    Again, at surface level these "facts" look legit... But when delving deeper Kyle was 100% within his legal right against all charges and you cannot currently get an accurate domestic terrorism stats when states have different laws, definitions, and bias.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cursed View Post


    I know you're super left and will take any chance you can to demonize the opposing party, but I'd really try to look into the facts of the case about Kyle's gun & the "majority of the domestic terrorism". While just barely scratching the surface, yes your claims do seem valid... But if you look more into it, Kyle's gun charges were dropped because the DA, judge, and defense all agreed he could legally process a firearm in the state of Wisconsin that night and it was not brought over state lines.
    Also, when it comes to the domestic terrorism argument... Really hard to determine the real numbers when it's a state by state reporting process and they have different definitions of "domestic terrorism" or do not charge under "domestic terrorism".

    To prove this, let's look at the Seattle Washington's(NEARLY THE SAME RIOTING/PROTESTING ENVIRONMENTS YOU SEE IN PORTLAND) domestic terrorist count in 2020 per 100K people: 1. 1 domestic terrorist case per 100K in 2020.

    How many did Portland Oregon have per 100k people? 78. 78 domestic terrorist cases per 100K in 2020 with nearly the same environment as Washington.

    Again, at surface level these "facts" look legit... But when delving deeper Kyle was 100% within his legal right against all charges and you cannot currently get an accurate domestic terrorism stats when states have different laws, definitions, and bias.
    Here's the FBI's take on it.
    https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/...ology.pdf/view

    Here's the whitehouse's take on it
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...tic-terrorism/

    Here's the FBI chief pointing out the threat
    https://apnews.com/article/fbi-chris...5c4923907eeb67

    Here's more law enforcement pointing it out
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/12/u...remacists.html

    Here's a study looking and compiling domestic terrorism
    https://www.csis.org/analysis/milita...-united-states


    Whatever misconceptions you have, are likely solved within any of the links here. Outside of me providing you with the information you need to safely conclude yes in fact majority of terrorism is domestic and is committed by right wingers. It's not a red herring it's a genuine threat to the country. You can conflate protestors with rioters all you want at the end of the day if you're going to operate on the assumed premise that majority of US terrorism isn't committed by white, right winged, males then you're factually wrong according to all the data we have.

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    I know you're super left and will take any chance you can to demonize the opposing party, but I'd really try to look into the facts of the case about Kyle's gun & the "majority of the domestic terrorism". While just barely scratching the surface, yes your claims do seem valid... But if you look more into it, Kyle's gun charges were dropped because the DA, judge, and defense all agreed he could legally process a firearm in the state of Wisconsin that night and it was not brought over state lines.
    I demonize non-substance culture war bullshit, regressive or punch down policy, and people in general whom talk out of their ass. Me pointing out that right wing ideology sits on top of all terrorism committed towards the United States and it's people. Some muslims in a cave screaming death to America isn't a threat. A feminist beta cuck crying about toxic masculinity isn't a threat. A bunch of specifically white, right winged, males, organizing an insurrection to overturn the election and keep their leader in power despite the law is a threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arunforce View Post
    tbh it sounded like self defense from what i read on twitter

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    watched the video, watched the trial. Was self defense, people just mad because of social media

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